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Do you believe the mob in NY is better off today than say 15 years ago? single choice
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Votes accepted starting: 03/25/16 07:47 AM
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Gaining strength compared to the situation in the early 2000's, I absolutely think that yes..

The admin of the 3 strongest families has been out (not in jail) for years now as far as I can tell and the FEDs have less manpower to go after them, so they have to be getting stronger I think. But it's all just speculation ofcourse..

But hey, that's why we're here no??

Yes the Feds are afraid of terrorism and cartels the 5 fams never turn to what was in the early 80s but could stabile and grown the man power. Anyone had a list of the people made from 2010 to today ?

Mr. Frankel, who supervises the FBI's organized crime squads in New York, said he believes the city's Cosa Nostra has quietly staged a comeback and is now more powerful than it has been in years.

- 2014 Wall Street Journal article


I take this to mean they could be as strong as they were in the early 2000's. Not 1990's era (or before) strength however.

Ivy confirm this 5 family strenght ?

Genovese 200+ made men
Gambino 200
Lucchese 120-150
Bonanno 120-140
Colombo about 100

It seems it's all about having boots on the ground to combat Organized crime or any other criminal group. From what the Feds have said their investigated priorities have changed and they are now concentrating on Terrorism, corruption and Wall street crimes. So when they cut back the manpower the investigations are of course affected. By not having the manpower available to work these cases, or man their bugs and wiretapps, or conduct surveillances or develop informants, it affords OC to do what they do best, continue to commit their crimes unimpeded. And this of course means that they can and will grow in numbers. Just my opinion.

Well, they've shut down the NYPD Organized Crime squads, due to budget constraints, so they claim. I think that also stands for NY FBI offices as well, but I'm not too sure. They're undoubtedly gaining a stronger foothold than what they've had in the recent past. And with the investigations on them seemingly slowing down, with the lack of a specific investigation squad, I think that will just slowly continue.

200 members were cited for the Genovese family in the 2007 Danny Leo case. Nearly 200 was the figure quoted more recently in the 2014 WSJ article.

200 members was cited for the Gambinos in the 2010 Danny Marino case.

Approximately 100 members was cited for the Luccheses in 2009, 2011, and 2014 articles.

Approximately 100 members was cited for the Colombos in 2009 and 2014 articles.

115 members was cited for the Bonannos in a 2009 article and 100 members in a 2013 article.

Where there had once been 350 FBI agents, as well as about 100 NYPD detectives, investigating the NY Mafia in the 1980's and 1990's, by 2005 the number was down to approximately 150 agents.

In 2009, it was reported the FBI had downsized the manpower in the local squads investigating the LCN in New York with the Lucchese, Colombo, and Bonanno squads each having under 10 agents, the Gambino squad having 12 agents, and the Genovese squad having 12 agents and some NYPD detectives.

In 2011, with 45 agents investigating the LCN in New York, the FBI had streamlined it's 5 LCN squads in New York to 3: combining the Colombo and Bonanno squads together, the Gambino and Lucchese squads together, and leaving a third squad for the Genovese.

In 2013, it was reported the FBI had further reduced it's manpower investigating the LCN in New York, now only having 2 squads: the C-5 squad investigating the Genovese, Colombo, and Bonannos and the C-16 squad investigating the Gambinos and Luccheses; with a combined total of 25-35 agents.

So you're basically looking at the feds devoting about 10% of the manpower to the mob that they did in the 1980's and 1990's. I'll be the first to say they don't need those past levels to keep the mob in check today but even former FBI and other law enforcement guys have voiced their concerns about the numbers becoming too small. One also thought that, even if you reduce the number, you should still keep the squads separate - one for each family.

So the bonanno are the third ? I ever thinked was the Lucchese.

I think the Lucchese, Colombo, and Bonanno families are roughly equal in size, each with around 100 members or slightly over. The 2004 NJ OC report had the Colombos at 112 members. The non-rounded figure suggests to me that was a specific count and not just an estimate. Wiretaps in the 2006 Vinny Basciano case showed the family had less than 100 soldiers. It would probably be a little over 100 if you counted the captains and administration.

The Luccheses seem to be considered the third family in terms of strength at this time. But, in my opinion, it's a big drop off from the two larger, more powerful families and the three smaller ones. I've noticed people on these forums refer to the Luccheses in the same sentence with the Genovese and Gambinos as if it is closer to them than it is to the Colombos and Bonannos. I don't think that's the case at all.

The rebuilding of the wtc towers and resulting subway station re constructions has been the gift of all gifts . Possibly the biggest gift ever

The new Fulton street station was originally supposed to cost $2B but was just completed for a cost of $4B- historic cost over runs . The WTC itself was budgeted at $16B I believe

Right now the rebuilding of the Harrison NJ path station is budgeted for $257M and it will be very interesting to see the cost over runs for this project . Harrison is a long term corrupt town and is littered with trucking , hauling companies and large warehouses .

Hey, at least the Fulton station is really nice now!

I work in the city in Midtown Manhattan so I see it everyday, in general there is just a HUGE building boom everywhere I look. The South Bronx is even starting to be redeveloped!! I'm sure the Westside , Gambinos, and even Luchesse have their hooks in all this building going on, u can bet your life on it....

A particular family has a relationship with a hotel developer in Manhatten

Having a GC for such projects can be lucrative for a host of SCs

As many wires are on the street ain't no telling how many agents are even needed

Care to expound?

DB,

Im aware of the same relationship, please don't say anything on here because there's also a few working stiffs involved that I wouldn't want to see lose their jobs. It's not that well known yet, so why say it in here and have some innocent laborers lose their jobs just so some jerk off Mormon in Utah can get his hard on over the mob....

I think you know way more than me lol

This is a legit well known firm

Jerking off is against the law in Utah actually

Well somebody woke up all full of piss and vinegar.

I got news for you, pal. If you believe anyone is losing their job over stuff posted on a message board, you're even dumber than you sound.

The families are better off today. The NYPD organized crime squads have been disbanded, the reason given is budget cuts, but I believe they couldn't think of anymore titles and ranks in the department personally. The FBI is down to two squads overseeing the five families, one Bonanno/Colombo/Gambino and the other one Genovese/Lucchese. Bonanno and Colombo are the weakest of New York families, but they have been gaining strength and power over the last few years. Indeed there are more informants today in the family compared to the past but most of the time they are not going to share everything and detail about the crime families.

The C-5 squad investigates the Genovese, Colombo, and Bonannos.

The C-16 squad investigates the Gambinos and Luccheses.

No, but law enforcement checks in on these forums. Try having a beer once, just once! I promise you it's better than sitting in your basement all day in whatever Mormon hellhole town you reside in all day , researching the mafia...you not act like such a hard on after just one beer, I'm thinking

Was that directed at somebody in here? That's very disrespectful.

Also Ivy, on another off topic thread- the amount of babies your cult, I'm sorry religion shames mothers out of wedlock to just throw away to adoption makes me personally sick coming from my culture of Jersey Italian-American Catholics- at least we own up to our mistakes, keep our families together and believe in forgiveness and redemption...your cult just shames these poor young mothers into giving away their babies and "hiding it" like it never happened

DB: Can you please just verify that it isn't Thor Equities? That's all I am asking.

I think the Bonannos were probably in better shape in 2000 than right now. They are probably rebuilding. But the other four families might be in better shape today than 15 years ago. It's not a stretch.

Careful now. We don't want to get any mobsters in trouble.