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Re: Montreal Chart [Re: BlueEyes] #875682
02/16/16 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted By: BlueEyes
Originally Posted By: furio_from_naples
Rizzuto family is like old time mafia family where the boss role go to father to son and are many marriage between members parents to create blood ties. Beyond this there are more non italians that are more powerful that are considerated to the same level of a capos. So there are a core group of sicilians or italo-canadians and an another core of canadians. Joe Bravo that was killed in Sicily sincerly believed that was made.

IMO Leonardo Rizzuto rules on what remains of the family.


What ''old school'' mafia family are you referring to? I have never heard of a son taking over his father's role as boss over a Mob family, except from the Persicos. You can't be referring to the Godfather I hope? I dunno how things work with the Italian LCN/Camorra and so on, but America has always been different.


In the Sicillian Mafia it is quite common for a son to succeed his father, which is what I think Furio was referring to.


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Re: Montreal Chart [Re: kingoflittlenewyork] #875714
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Originally Posted By: kingoflittlenewyork
I'm not denying that there is an Italian criminal element in the town whatsoever.

I guess i need to change my thinking, I guess Leo runs the whole town and every sinle criminal there it is an underling of his mafia family.



Nobody EVER said this, nice cop out though.

Why were he and Stefano Sollecito caught on wiretaps inside Lloris Cavalieres law office arranging drug shipments? Maybe because him being a Rizzuto and them having drug connections through South American cartels either directly or indirectly, those transporting specific drugs to Montreal decided to only go through him and his direct partner, Sollecito. Not possible right?

The mere fact that he was captured on wiretap along with the likes of Gregory Woolery, Leader of the Reds Street gang and High ranking member of the Hells Àngels, whom answered directly to Mom Boucher as of 2015, arranging drug transactions shows you that the drugs probably went through them and their direct allies first, before it hit the street. That doesn't mean he controlled every criminal in Montreal, because he doesn't, but it does make him a force in the drug trade, which makes him a power in the underworld.


Why wasn't he sitting back collecting payoffs, staying in the house and calling that life? Well he very well may have been collecting construction pay offs, but perhaps the reason why is the same reason his father, grandfather and brother couldn't do that when they all held the "boss" title, because they had to be the facilitators of certain deals both in the criminal and legal world. Nick Rizzuto Sr, while reigning over the Sicilian clan was back and forth in Venezuela making sure the drugs flowed from there directly to them in an efficient fashion. Even when Vito was released from prison and was again claimed "boss", he was in the Dominican Republic facilitating casino deals and sports betting operations meeting with Hells Angels there, and calling his underlings there to meet with him. He was also in Cuba doing the same thing. Nick Jr, Leonardo's brother was always a street guy, and sitting back collecting a payoff wasn't in his nature. Here you have it, all these guys with the same last name and a boss title given to them by law enforcement, whom weren't content with just "sitting back collecting a payoff."


And no, not every criminal in Montreal is an underling or member of the mafia, yet how does that relate to your point that Leonardo couldn't be the boss of the Montreal Mafia and that whatever Italian Criminal Organization there was in Montreal, wasn't Mafia? There are Italian HA members, however does that make them an Italian Criminal Organization? No. And according to Canadian law authorities, Montreal has always had a Milieu, a ruling commission of sorts of the bosses of all the crime groups which are in Montreal, the Rizzutos commonly sat among this group, representing the Montreal Mafia, along with whomever was leading the Hells Angels, and whomever led the dominant street gang coalition at the time. This group arranged drug transit, distribution, who got and sold what, and how much of it. As of Vito's release, he, then Leonardo & Stefano sat on this group, along with Greg Woolery representing the Hells Angels and the Reds street gangs, after the death of Ducarme Joseph, and the decline of the Blues street gang syndicate and maybe, not entirely sure, Salvatore Cazzetta. So again, while Leonardo doesn't control every aspect and member of crime in Montreal, he was a man, they took serious.

Re: Montreal Chart [Re: Strax] #875719
02/16/16 06:43 PM
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All that sounds good to me, better than calling the whole thing the mafia. Not trying to cause ablow up. I enjoyed your post, and I'm in no way beginning sarcastic.

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