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Re: Did Michael really love Kay?
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08/21/15 01:40 PM
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My view: Michael certainly loved Kay before he got involved in the family business. We see it in a deleted scene from GF in which he and Kay are cavorting, playfully, in a NYC hotel room just before he learns Vito has been shot. But, his experiences after that hardened him and stripped him of sentimentality. His "courtship" of Kay in New Hampshire was more of a business negotiation (exemplified by Michael's looking like a pint-sized banker with that ridiculous Homburg hat, and being followed by a limo). His "love you/need you" was emotionless. It was pretty obvious that he saw Kay as an important to him only or mostly as an important stepping stone to "legitimacy," not as the object of his love and passion--much less anything like the "thunderbolt" that hit him when he first saw Apollonia. He continued to use and manipulate Kay throughout the rest of GF and II, ultimately slamming the door in her face, as Talia Shire reminded us in another thread.
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...by III, he's back to courting Kay again. Why? Did he see reconciling with Kay as the last step in his getting out of Mafia life and becoming truly legitimate? Was he looking to manipulate Kay yet again as a late-life personal triumph? Or, did he find his early love of Kay somehow rekindled? I'm inclined to agree with Pete and Oli that Michael was too narcissistic, suspicious and manipulative to truly love any woman, but I'm not dismissing the possibility that Kay was an exception.
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Re: Did Michael really love Kay?
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no michael didn't really love kay BUT he did care for her. michael is a perfect example of a person with an anti-social disorder. he didn't really love anyone except his kids at that and maybe his family being his sister in godfather 3. he used kay as he used many other people in his life. then again in godfather 3 it seemed like he really did care about her and love her BUT at the same time idk.
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Re: Did Michael really love Kay?
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"(exemplified by Michael's looking like a pint-sized banker with that ridiculous Homburg hat, and being followed by a limo)." That line really cracked me up. I thought the scene was effective. I think Mike was trying to show that he was going to be legitimate in five years, and he wanted to dress the part. I guess he went back to the old ways in Nevada when the uniform of the day was " oily hair -- dressed up in those silk suits - and try to pass yourselves off as decent Americans."
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Re: Did Michael really love Kay?
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True in most respects, Johnny. But, his Tahoe estate was worthy of the turn-of-the-century Robber Barons, if not mid-century Mafiosi. That's how he thought of himself: a "Captain of Industry." Since you mentioned cars (an old favorite subject between you and me): FFC was fanatical about details, and nowhere more than in his selection of cars. Note that, when Kay is stopped from leaving the compound, she'd driving a plain-Jane '57 Buick Special wagon--not the higher-end Century wagon. On the other hand, when Michael returns to Tahoe, he's being driven in a '58 Chrysler Crown Imperial limo--one of only 36 made by Ghia of Turin, and, at ~$13k, the most expensive domestic car of the year.
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Re: Did Michael really love Kay?
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11/08/15 11:42 PM
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True in most respects, Johnny. But, his Tahoe estate was worthy of the turn-of-the-century Robber Barons, if not mid-century Mafiosi. That's how he thought of himself: a "Captain of Industry." Since you mentioned cars (an old favorite subject between you and me): FFC was fanatical about details, and nowhere more than in his selection of cars. Note that, when Kay is stopped from leaving the compound, she'd driving a plain-Jane '57 Buick Special wagon--not the higher-end Century wagon. On the other hand, when Michael returns to Tahoe, he's being driven in a '58 Chrysler Crown Imperial limo--one of only 36 made by Ghia of Turin, and, at ~$13k, the most expensive domestic car of the year. Yes "Captain of Industry", is exactly right. I will again suggest that his going to Dartmouth helped fashion his goals in business. That is not a school you go to, to find employment at the local Wendy's as the night manager. No denying that Mike wasn't afraid to spend money, when it came to the comfort of his family. My curiosity was peaked and did a search of the house. This is just one of the many sites that offer pictures of the property. https://homes.yahoo.com/photos/photos-co...0609336906.html
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Re: Did Michael really love Kay?
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11/23/15 10:41 PM
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I think at the time that Michael and Kay were married, and for at least several years thereafter, Michael did love Kay...as much as he was capable of doing so. During the last scene between Michael and Vito, when Vito asked "Your wife and children, are you happy with them?", and Michael answered "Very happy", I think he was sincere.
Whether or not that love would qualify as "love" according to the standards of anyone else, particularly Kay herself, and especially as the marriage began to fall apart later, is a separate issue.
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Re: Did Michael really love Kay?
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He may have loved Kay,but his true love was Apollonia.. I wonder what would have happened if Apollonia had not been murdered? Michael would have had a tougher time trying to fit in the WASPY world of Lake Tahoe? Kay was the backup plan.
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Re: Did Michael really love Kay?
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One thing that always confuses me his when Kay asks Michael how long he had be back, Michael says "I've been back a year. Longer than that, I think".
Would he not know how long he had been back America or did he not want to tell Kay exactly.. I actually like when he does that. I think that in that moment he's moving from sugarcoating things again to telling Kay the truth, even if it's just for this one conversation.
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Re: Did Michael really love Kay?
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12/15/15 11:44 PM
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One thing that always confuses me his when Kay asks Michael how long he had be back, Michael says "I've been back a year. Longer than that, I think".
Would he not know how long he had been back in America or did he not want to tell Kay exactly.. What's remarkable to me is that Kay never made a stink about this fact; nothing like: "WHAT??? You've been back for more than a year, and you're only now getting around to seeing me? How many other girls did you date, before you finally worked your way this far down the list?" Or something to that effect... Then again, perhaps this would have been out of character for a woman of the mid-20th Century, raised to be submissive and traditional - as opposed to the more...independent and assertive women of today. ~ Q
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