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Re: Guys who have flipped out of their own initiative
[Re: furio_from_naples]
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D'Arco wasnt even facing charges but I guess if saving your own ass is 'initiative' then he would qualify. Tartaglione is the best posted example. Why Tartaglione is a good example ? D'arco flipped for save the his and his son al jr life; tartaglione flipped because was facing murder and racketeering and don't wan't to die in prison. You're misreading the article you cited. Massino was the one facing murder and racketeering charges. Tartaglione wasn't facing charges when he flipped, but when Vitale agreed to testify he knew it was only a matter of time, and agreed to wear a wire talking to Massino.
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Re: Guys who have flipped out of their own initiative
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09/16/15 07:59 PM
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D'Arco wasnt even facing charges but I guess if saving your own ass is 'initiative' then he would qualify. Yeah, if his book is to be believed, (who knows?) he thought they were going to clip him.
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Re: Guys who have flipped out of their own initiative
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I imagine it's the same for that Irish punk Whitey Bulger. Bulger's a bit of a different case altogether though. In his case, he was able to take out "insurance" so to speak. Even if you compare him to Scarpa, Scarpa's handlers were found to have not been aware of the sheer magnitude of his criminality, unless you believe that DeVecchio was indeed as guilty as he was charged with. In the Bulger case, FBI agents were found to have actively supplied information to Bulger which helped him continue his enterprises and commit murder. Less "turning a blind eye" than becoming complicit themselves. A rats a rat though, I guess it's just semantics beyond that. Why do you refer to Bulger as a "punk" though? Aren't they all "punks" by that distinction? Especially, in this particular case, Steve Flemmi who was already an informant? Bulger had already served a lengthy sentence by the time he was providing information to Rico and Connelly. Less "afraid" of prison and more just not wanting to have to go back, it would seem. He'd already spent many years at Alcatraz, amongst other penitentiaries. He was scum, for sure, but punk connotates, I dont know, some sort of weakness...? And I wouldn't call Scarpa or Bulger weak. More rat cunning and calculating, if anything. More on topic, Pasquale Barbaro aka "Il Principale" was an Australian boss who flipped in the early '90's after he'd left his wife to marry a 23 year old Filipino woman. He was later murdered, but provided a lot of information to authorities while he was not actually facing any charges himself. Granted, the family of his spurned wife (Agrestas IIRC) may or may not have been after him.
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Re: Guys who have flipped out of their own initiative
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D'Arco wasnt even facing charges but I guess if saving your own ass is 'initiative' then he would qualify. Tartaglione is the best posted example. Why Tartaglione is a good example ? D'arco flipped for save the his and his son al jr life; tartaglione flipped because was facing murder and racketeering and don't wan't to die in prison. You're misreading the article you cited. Massino was the one facing murder and racketeering charges. Tartaglione wasn't facing charges when he flipped, but when Vitale agreed to testify he knew it was only a matter of time, and agreed to wear a wire talking to Massino. You're right, Tartaglione flipped after Vitale did because Vitale had info on murders Tartaglione was involved in back in the day. But he didn't wear a wire on Massino, Massino was already in prison. Tartaglione wore a wire on Tony Urso, Cammarano & Vinny Basciano a few times.
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Re: Guys who have flipped out of their own initiative
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Zerilli in Detroit even though he had nothing to give up Great example. Amazing nothing come from it.
MORGAN: Why didn't you fight him at the park if you wanted to? I'm not goin' now, I'm eatin' my snack.
CHUCKIE: Morgan, Let's go.
MORGAN: I'm serious Chuckie, I ain't goin'.
WILL: So don't go.
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Re: Guys who have flipped out of their own initiative
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09/19/15 06:36 PM
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I imagine it's the same for that Irish punk Whitey Bulger. Bulger's a bit of a different case altogether though. In his case, he was able to take out "insurance" so to speak. Even if you compare him to Scarpa, Scarpa's handlers were found to have not been aware of the sheer magnitude of his criminality, unless you believe that DeVecchio was indeed as guilty as he was charged with. In the Bulger case, FBI agents were found to have actively supplied information to Bulger which helped him continue his enterprises and commit murder. Less "turning a blind eye" than becoming complicit themselves. A rats a rat though, I guess it's just semantics beyond that. Why do you refer to Bulger as a "punk" though? Aren't they all "punks" by that distinction? Especially, in this particular case, Steve Flemmi who was already an informant? Bulger had already served a lengthy sentence by the time he was providing information to Rico and Connelly. Less "afraid" of prison and more just not wanting to have to go back, it would seem. He'd already spent many years at Alcatraz, amongst other penitentiaries. He was scum, for sure, but punk connotates, I dont know, some sort of weakness...? And I wouldn't call Scarpa or Bulger weak. More rat cunning and calculating, if anything. More on topic, Pasquale Barbaro aka "Il Principale" was an Australian boss who flipped in the early '90's after he'd left his wife to marry a 23 year old Filipino woman. He was later murdered, but provided a lot of information to authorities while he was not actually facing any charges himself. Granted, the family of his spurned wife (Agrestas IIRC) may or may not have been after him. Cool info about the Aussie. Interesting. As for Bulger being a punk, I'm going off personal opinion, and confirmed by what Phil Leonetti said about him in a Huffington Post editorial.
"The Feds are a business Anthony, millions of tax dollars are invested in watching your ass, sooner or later, just like you, their gonna want a return on their investment." --- Neil Mink, Tony Soprano's lawyer
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Re: Guys who have flipped out of their own initiative
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Does anyone here think DeVecchio WASN'T aware of at least most of the shit Scarpa was doing? The only reason they really dropped the charges is all of the guys that would get out due to the tainted investigation, like Vic Orena. DeVecchio was as big a piece of shit as John Connolly was but it's crazy how Connolly took it on the chin and and DeVecchio is out here writing books and appearing in mob docs. Also, didn't the feds try to pin some of the bullshit DeVecchio did on an NYPD guy? And he beat the case but still lost his pension, can't remember the exact story.
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