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Re: Did/Does murder for hire ever occur?
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07/08/15 11:38 AM
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In Italy, it sometimes happens, like the Agro' brothers who were in the loanshark business in Racalmuto, who asked Salvatore Fragapane (the boss of Santa Elisabetta) to whack Mariano Mancuso in 1992, who didn't pay back enough money and denounced them to the police.
Also, a French dentist Bernard Rouhalde asked the 'ndrangheta boss Santo Asciutto to kill his wife in 1991.
But I never heard about an outsider to hire the mafia in America. Maybe as a favor to labor leaders like Jimmy Hoffa or politicians? But Hoffa was a associate I think, so not really an outsider.
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Re: Did/Does murder for hire ever occur?
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07/08/15 01:59 PM
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In America, murder for hire by LCN is almost non-existent. There may even be a rule against it. Either way, they've been few and far between. Didn't Roy DeMeo do a significant number of murders for hire or is that documentary BS?
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Re: Did/Does murder for hire ever occur?
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In America, murder for hire by LCN is almost non-existent. There may even be a rule against it. Either way, they've been few and far between. Didn't Roy DeMeo do a significant number of murders for hire or is that documentary BS? If it's true, it's only because he was such a cowboy and broke every rule in the book. Plus, look at the last picture ever taken of him ![wink wink](/threads/images/graemlins/classic/wink.gif) .
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Re: Did/Does murder for hire ever occur?
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Didn't Roy DeMeo do a significant number of murders for hire or is that documentary BS?
If it's true, it's only because he was such a cowboy and broke every rule in the book. Plus, look at the last picture ever taken of him ![wink wink](/threads/images/graemlins/classic/wink.gif) . [/quote] LOL. I think I can go on Ebay and buy a clipping of his urine stained pants from his son. He will also sell you a Roy DeMeo used Kleenex and a wide selection of authentic murder weapons too. All completely real.
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Re: Did/Does murder for hire ever occur?
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LOL. I think I can go on Ebay and buy a clipping of his urine stained pants from his son. He will also sell you a Roy DeMeo used Kleenex and a wide selection of authentic murder weapons too. All completely real. His son gets a lot of shit on the boards, but I actually kinda like him (not that I know him personally). Because a) you can't choose your family, and b) he wrote an exceptionally good book for a first-time author (assuming it wasn't ghostwritten for him).
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Re: Did/Does murder for hire ever occur?
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07/08/15 03:08 PM
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His son gets a lot of shit on the boards, but I actually kinda like him (not that I know him personally). +1. Guy seems pretty decent. And considering his father? He has every right to be seriously fucked up. Good for him he's got his shit together.
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Re: Did/Does murder for hire ever occur?
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Too dangerous ask the mob to kill someone,because the mob for the favour it did you,it can use you like a puppet.It's "better" give the cash to a thug that don't know who you're or if had the balls kill the person with your hands. berlusconi was suspected of being involved in the murders of two judges (falcone and borsellino) in 1992 and the slaughters in milan, florence and rome in 1993... he asked the mafia this to destabilize the country and help the berlusconi new party to win elections in the past the p2 lodge asked the mafia other favours as the massacre of the 904 train in 1984 and probably the slaughter of bologna station... of course if the mafia kills somebody for an outside people he would be used as a puppet after that This is all bullshit,Berlusconi before Mani Pulite was just a bussiness man,when in 1994 blow up the democrazia cristiana and the Comunist Party he founded Forza Italia for take what remains of the 2 big parties of the after wwII. The murders of Falcone and Borselino,and the bombs all over italy from 1992 to 1993 are an ideas of slaughter wing of the mafia headed by Totò Riina. And if Berlusconi had such ties why must give 10 milion to the Olgettinas (a group of whores) for keep his mouths shut and don't give 1 milion to a mafioso for make desappears the bitches ?
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Re: Did/Does murder for hire ever occur?
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Good examples, Beans. But I took the question to mean outsiders hiring LCN to hit other civilians. And with those two scumbags, they were hired by an LCN member (Casso) to kill other LCN members and associates (Lino, et al.). But maybe I misread it and it's just semantics. Either way, civilians hiring wiseguys to kill other civilians is exceedingly rare.
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Re: Did/Does murder for hire ever occur?
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This is all bullshit,Berlusconi before Mani Pulite was just a bussiness man,when in 1994 blow up the democrazia cristiana and the Comunist Party he founded Forza Italia for take what remains of the 2 big parties of the after wwII.
The murders of Falcone and Borselino,and the bombs all over italy from 1992 to 1993 are an ideas of slaughter wing of the mafia headed by Totò Riina.
And if Berlusconi had such ties why must give 10 milion to the Olgettinas (a group of whores) for keep his mouths shut and don't give 1 milion to a mafioso for make desappears the bitches ?
according to some inquiries berlusconi and dell'utri had planned to form a new party before 1994 they asked the mafia to commit these slaughters in order to destabilize the country and help the new party to win elections... turncoats said it was not an idea of totò riina, somebody asked him to do it, politicians and freemasons When Borsellino and Falcone as killed,the Italian state that had always slept awoke and bit the throat of Cosa Nostra, Riina that was and is an animal order to a selected group including Messina Denaro at the time in his thirty was already on the run for murder,to set off bombs throughout Italy. When in 1993 with Italy in flames Cosa Nostra was about to be destroyed at the root, provenzano gave the information to capture Riina, but said the corrupt carabinieris to don't search in the den (which was then freed of any incriminating evidence). Berlusconi was a Freemason and a succeful bussiness man but nothing more; Riina was a beast trimmed of blood and I doubt that he would accept any advice from anyone.
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Re: Did/Does murder for hire ever occur?
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07/09/15 12:18 PM
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When Borsellino and Falcone as killed,the Italian state that had always slept awoke and bit the throat of Cosa Nostra, Riina that was and is an animal order to a selected group including Messina Denaro at the time in his thirty was already on the run for murder,to set off bombs throughout Italy. When in 1993 with Italy in flames Cosa Nostra was about to be destroyed at the root, provenzano gave the information to capture Riina, but said the corrupt carabinieris to don't search in the den (which was then freed of any incriminating evidence). Berlusconi was a Freemason and a succeful bussiness man but nothing more; Riina was a beast trimmed of blood and I doubt that he would accept any advice from anyone.
i'm sure freemasons and politicians asked totò riina to kill falcone and borsellino and to commit the slaughters in mainland italy, some turncoats said it... berlusconi was not only an ordinary businessman, he is the richest italian and he planned to start a new party before 1994, at least in 1992... when the links between cosa nostra and the dc party led by andreotti broke down the mafia looked for an another political party and did an alliance with berlusconi and marcello dell'utri in order to form a new party that would help the mafia... totò riina was replaced by provenzano because he became too arrogant and violent, he was used by the freemasons to kill this and that and he was abandoned when they needn't him anymore
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Re: Did/Does murder for hire ever occur?
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The secret services were surely involved in the murders of Falcone and Borsellino. At the Capaci massacre (where Falcone died) there was an airplane surveiling the zone that was suspected to belong to the secret service, which is confirmed by Riina in this statement: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ez2UhELuzskRiina also says that the mafia contact with the secret service was Antonino Gioe' who was then "suicided" in prison. Also, there was a secret service base near the place Borsellino was killed which was then quickly dismantled. The Addaura attempt on Falcone's life was also alleged to have taken place with the help of secret service. There have been 2 policemen, Antonino Agostino and Emanuele Piazza, allegedly involved in preventing it. They were later killed, and a secret service agent Giovanni Aiello (nicknamed "monster face") was involved in Agostino's murder; he was only identified relatively recently.
Willie Marfeo to Henry Tameleo:
1) "You people want a loaf of bread and you throw the crumbs back. Well, fuck you. I ain't closing down."
2) "Get out of here, old man. Go tell Raymond to go shit in his hat. We're not giving you anything."
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Re: Did/Does murder for hire ever occur?
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yea it's happened many times in the italian mafia and the mob in general. but yea i know forsure before the modern organized mob(formed by luciano). although now a days it's probably not as common seeing as how that is a 20-life bid.
ma tongue hold life my belt hold death. make em bite the dust when they hit the floor. 4-5 to there chest us folk from gangsterbb aint playing. we smoke everyone in this b word like a hookah now. stupid steve hit the corner shooting.
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Re: Did/Does murder for hire ever occur?
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I want to post this, and then I want you guys to reevaluate Raina's power:“The Nuvolettas are the only family outside Sicily that sits in the cupola, the high command of Cosa Nostra. Not simply allies or affiliates, they are one of the most powerful groups in the bosom of the Mafia, with structural ties to the Corleones. So powerful—according to pentito Giovanni Brusca—that when in the late 1990s the Sicilians decided to plant bombs all over Italy, they asked the Marano clan for advice and cooperation. The Nuvolettas thought the idea was crazy, a strategy that had more to do with political favors than military results. They refused to participate in the attacks or provide logistical support, a refusal expressed without any hint of reprisal. Totò Riina personally implored the boss Angelo Nuvoletta to corrupt the judges in his first mass trial, but here too the Marano clan refused to help the military wing of the Corleone family. During the feuds within La Nuova Famiglia, after their victory over Cutolo, the Nuvolettas sent for Giovanni Brusca, the boss of San Giovanni Jato and the murderer of Judge Giovanni Falcone.* They wanted Brusca to eliminate five people in Campania and dissolve two of them in acid. They called him the way you would call a plumber…” Excerpt From: Roberto Saviano & Virginia Jewiss. “Gomorrah.” Picador, 2007. iBooks. This material may be protected by copyright. Check out this book on the iBooks Store: https://itun.es/us/rlf9w.l
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