http://gangsterreport.com/chicago-mafia-grand-ave-crew-feeling-absence-of-bobby-panozzo/


Albert vena is struggling to make ends since panozzo was busted there drug and robbery ring weak

To be assumed, I mean, shit this is the sorta financial/business, "bottom line" kinda thing that works as an easy metaphor to the civilian (pun intended) business world. Other than some great tidbits of Chicago Mob history, there's much discern as to whether or not this is harming the overall family.

To be honest, I've become more and more modest of how I perceive the day to day actions of the Chicago Mob. It's essentially a street operation, a la the Philly Guys, but differs in the fact that Chicago, in my eyes, is far less involved in street, or "gangster" type activity. Think bookmaking and connected loan sharking, not drug dealing and hanging out at social clubs or cafes. Call it a Midwestern niceness thing.

He is very close with albert vena who is a well known drug dealer and capo he is all blue collar he is crazy and I mean crazy he only got made capo because there was no one else who could fill the spot.

Yes most of the outfit is moving away from street stuff but Albert vena blue collar is also he knows and say what you want about this guy he kicks up tens of thousands to Albert vena well I should say he did robbery and drugs was his main rackets and albert is struggling no doubt about it the guy is not smart enough for anything like white collar scams

Interesting benign article.

So I'm assuming the Outfit guys fall under the 6 in the pen since they associate with the Deuces.

jail is separated on racial boundaries

outfit guys hang with other white criminals

You know very well that I'm being sarcastic and no there's whites in different mobs.

What makes it a "crew" if the removal of one coke dealer collapses it.

x2 sounds like a thin crew to say the least.

Scarfo Sr had a few black dudes with him in a prison photo lol

it was not one "coke dealer" there was 8 or nine arrested

nor is the crew "collspsed" the crew is still there the article even says they replaced the guys who got arrested the problem and the articles point is they dont earn like the guys arrested which is causing all the problems

Are we going to start to doubt all of Scott's articles now? The article is obviously saying the crew is still around, but the drug guys who were arrested were the earners and kept the crew earning, the guys who replaced them, aren't drug guys, thus are having trouble keeping up with the earning prowess of the guys before them.

http://aboutthemafia.com/chicago-mafia-absorbs-blow-westside-wiseguys-bite-the-dust-in-bust


these are the guys arrested. Remember bobby had his own crew of guys who are kicked up to bobby so he was a major earner

scott even says that they replaced the loansharking guys its the drugs they are struggling in

Who knows. Most of this stuff is speculation.

If you are a coke dealer of any proficiency at all you don't need to go around doing a bunch of other stupid s$it.

Are you even reading the articles? He made a living out of robbing drug dealers then selling the drugs on. He dealt cocaine yes but on a small scale which he got of robbing drug dealers most of the indicment is bead on the robbery he cut one guys ear of and tried to have a govt witness whacked.

Like I said before he is not some "coke dealer" he had 5 guys reporting to him the biggest earner albert vena had.

Read the indicment he was making huge money out of robbing drug dealers so he is not exactly "stupid" and he was around Joey before the family secrets trial he has been a big earner for years

I don't see scotts articles as "speculation" I think they are interesting and accurate but believe what you want

Yes, I read all about this in the news when it was going down.

You are the one who apparently isn't reading the article.

"He was known to earn heavily off the drug ops, lining his and Vena’s pockets handsomely, per sources, with his control of a wide section of the westside cocaine trade in Chicago. "

So believe what YOU want.

He got the drugs of robbing people I meant the other article not scotts one. He robbed drug dealers then sold it he is hard to replace

You don't control the west side drug trade by robbing drug dealers.

You first lash out on me for expressing skepticism on Burnstein's article and now you choose to wholly ignore it.

I TEND to think what is left of the Grand Ave. Crew is a ragtag handful of career criminals operating at about 1/1000th of its former capacity.

You are free to believe otherwise.

Don't worry gangsterreport if you aren't saying the Outfit is finished and there is nothing to talk about then Jonny does't believe you.


While I agree that it saying he controlled Chicago's west side cocaine trade is an overstatement, it is quite possible he controlled the Outfits west side cocaine trade. But let us get this straight if you are a gangster in the Outfit or New York for that matter you never put your eggs in one basket, loansharking, burglary, theft, fraud, prostitution, and selling coke where things Bobby Pannozzo was good at ,so that is what he did. That applies everywhere in the mob, even back in the old country. There is rarely anyone in the mafia that only does one thing.

Believe whatever you want. This is what a successful cocaine dealer looks like:

$1.8B in drug money over 14 years in Chicago.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-chicago-brothers-drugs-20150127-story.html

If you want to believe that anybody who was even a moderately proficient cocaine dealer would need to f$ck around with burglary, etc., I guess we have a divergence of opinion.

Part of the reason I think the Outfit is so weak is because of stuff like this. I do believe the guy was high up on Grand Ave. I also believe he seems to have been running around like a chicken with his head cut off.

Anyway, I have had people who I believe are very well informed tell me privately that they think I am pretty much correct with the gist of my assessment of the state of the Outfit, and that is enough for me. We'll never know.

You guys can keep stuffing every two bit third cousin of a mobster whose family now owns a tire store under "capo" and "consigliere" on new charts until you're blue in the face.

This.

A successful drug dealer doing B n E's?
Hysterical.
The money in coke is astronomical.
A drug dealer he may have been. A successful one he was not.

You need some reading comprehension. We are not talking about two rat brothers who worked for a cocaine cartel, whom are also involved in prostitution and burglary and everything else, if these two piss ants were told to go break in a house they would, so u keep believing yourself and your "private admirers". We are on a mafia forum talking about the Chicago Outfit, and if you think Albie Vena is some two bit chump I dare you to go tell him so. Michael Magnafichi bout shit his pants when Joe Fosco brought his name up, and I'm sure Michael knows more than you and the people whose names you can't say.

The other interesting point is how much structure the Outfit has left if high profile guys are getting their hands dirty.

Panozzo's the eqivilent of a captain in NYC and the Guys doing B n E's?
Imagine an article of Barney Bellomo in NYC getting done for burglary.
It has to speak to the end of the barrel, top guys doing street work.

Agreed 100%.

Jimmy Marcello was even driving around collecting his own video poker loot before he got busted.

If you are interested, the person knew Albie very well, and seemed to insinuate that he was largely removed from the day to day activity of the young bucks. Basically kind of retired.

I tend to believe what that other guy who used to post here said. I forget his name; he hated me. Anyway, eventually he was adamant that Cicero was really the only active crew.

I don't know that for a fact but if I were to bet, that is what I would bet.

Joey Lombardo was doing B&E's during the early 80's and had oversight of Las Vegas. Chicago guys have always done work, and Panozzo was a guy who had his own crew and was not even second in the Grand Ave crew, Spina is. Barney Bellomo is alot higher up in the Genovese than Panozzo is in the Outfit, you are comparing apples and peanuts, but it fits your agenda so have at it. Jonny says Jimmy was driving himself around collecting his own money. Where is the proof or link or did you just make that up?

It was evident from transcripts in the Family Secrets FBI evidence archive, which I believe has since been taken down.

Barney and Panozzo same status...priceless.

I appreciate the help in arguing my point

Panozzo is not a capo he was a soldier with his own crew I am not even sure if he was made. He just kicked up to Albert vena

Vena was hardly going on these scams


But I agree the outfit is a shadow of its former self


There three active crews everyone else are loosly attached guys mikuakee for instance