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Re: Election 2016 [Re: Turnbull] #855144
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Originally Posted By: Turnbull
His lead in the polls is directly attributable to the near-monopoly he has on GOP candidate coverage.


I disagree there. Trump is leaving the competition in the dust because the Republican voters are done with illegal immigration. Plain and simple. And I have news for many of you, many Democrats are done with it too, not to even mention Independents.


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After that McCain flap, many folks thought that would hurt Trump hard in the polls. Nope. In fact, he's more popular than ever.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2...s_are_also.html

In fact: Military folks dig him more than McCain.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/...-double-digits/


just shows you how out of touch the republican party is, if they take trump seriously, they stand a good chance to put that devil Hillary Clinton in the oval office.


But is it about the man, or the mission? Do we hire someone because we like them, because they don't curse when they speak, and have good manners...or do we hire someone for a job because they can get it done?

There is in fact an exigent circumstance facing the United States right now, and Trump is only one of 2 or 3 candidates willing to get tough with it. That issue is immigration.


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Re: Election 2016 [Re: DuesPaid] #855147
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Originally Posted By: DuesPaid
Trumps detail must have been on high alert down near the boarder today.

El Chopo coulda got him.



No sir. The biggest mistake ilegal aliens could ever make would be to harm Trump.

And Trump making a tour of the border states is a huge power move. People down there are fed up with immigration enforcement. Now close your eyes and imagine Trump with the Republican nomination touring all the states on the Southern border. He is very much a contender.


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Re: Election 2016 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #855208
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Trump is a freaking idiot. I pray he doesn't get the nomination.

As for who I'm voting for in the GOP primary, so far it's Ben Carson and/or Mike Huckabee.

Re: Election 2016 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #855215
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Whoever GOP elects to be their nominee, with the exception of Trump, it better be someone who's smart and portrays an air of confidence and is likable. That was Romney's problem in 2012, he could have won, but he wasn't a people's kind of guy. The Republicans need pragmatism, not ultra conservatism.

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Tell me again what is so great about Ben Carson?


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Re: Election 2016 [Re: rockstar_man45] #855439
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Originally Posted By: rockstar_man45
Whoever GOP elects to be their nominee, with the exception of Trump, it better be someone who's smart and portrays an air of confidence and is likable. That was Romney's problem in 2012, he could have won, but he wasn't a people's kind of guy. The Republicans need pragmatism, not ultra conservatism.



most republicans need to realize that this ain't the 1950s and welcome themselves to 2016

shit it ain't even the current republicans fault.....BUSH RUINED THE GOP

Re: Election 2016 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #855454
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Bush only messed up Bush. That's a hurdle for Jeb Bush, but not the other candidates. The current crop of candidates are all top people...former governors, senators, a brain surgeon, a billionaire real estate developer, and the former CEO of HP. Rand Paul isn't just a senator, he's also an eye surgeon. Several are former prosecutors. Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz (who was one the lawyers on O.J.'s defense team back in the 1990s) said that Ted Cruz was his best student and a top debater. Some of the former governors were re-elected in majority Democrat states, something that takes real skill and bipartisanship.

And they don't represent the 1950s, but they do have stronger religious beliefs than Democrats. Atheists tend to lean Democrat and conservative Christians and Jews lean Republican. So that's good or bad depending on your values. If you like socialism, abortion, poor race relations, and consider international terrorism relatively unimportant, then you'll probably vote Democrat. If you like the free market, are pro-life, want better race relations, and think terrorism is important, then you'll probably vote Republican.

Re: Election 2016 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #855599
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^^^^^^

since when do republicans want better race relations? is that a joke?

religion should not be a part of who runs the country

the republicans having 16 candidates shows how disfunctional of a party they are

Re: Election 2016 [Re: cookcounty] #855619
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Originally Posted By: cookcounty
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since when do republicans want better race relations? is that a joke?

religion should not be a part of who runs the country

the republicans having 16 candidates shows how disfunctional of a party they are


Again cook you are completely misguided on everything.

Republicans don't want a theocracy, they want to protect the right to exercise religious beliefs. They also recognize the importance of religion in our culture. The majority being Christianity but other faiths as well. Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikh, etc.

Democrats have fooled your respective ethnic group into believing every Republican is an old white male intent on suppressing you. If you want to see who your oppressors truly are just look at the party 80-90% of blacks vote for every election.

Re: Election 2016 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #855642
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The first debate did not go well for race relations. They asked that question only to one candidate, who only vaguely answered it under 29 seconds, before they went to commercial and that was for Straight Out Of Compton which lasted under a minute. Funny ass shit huh.


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Re: Election 2016 [Re: Giacomo_Vacari] #855644
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Originally Posted By: Giacomo_Vacari
The first debate did not go well for race relations. They asked that question only to one candidate, who only vaguely answered it under 29 seconds, before they went to commercial and that was for Straight Out Of Compton which lasted under a minute. Funny ass shit huh.


That's hilarious lol





The GOP's biggest mistake was allowing itself itself to be taken over by religious extremists. The GOP once prided itself on being the big-tent party. Those days are long gone.

The GOP initially took the positions it did on social issues in order to fish for votes, and then found it couldn’t go back. Its like the old fable of the scorpion and the frog. There used to be moderate Republicans, and even pro-choice Republicans, but they have become completely marginalized within their own party.


I respect everyone's faith, and ask that they do the same of mine. But when people seek to impose their faith they impinge on my rights. And I take issue with that. Freedom of religion means freedom from religion. We all have the right to worship and believe as we wish, but religious freedom ends there. We must always keep the wall between church and state.

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I never met anyone who didn't have a very smart child. What happens to these children, you wonder, when they reach adulthood?



Re: Election 2016 [Re: cookcounty] #855647
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Originally Posted By: cookcounty
Originally Posted By: rockstar_man45
Whoever GOP elects to be their nominee, with the exception of Trump, it better be someone who's smart and portrays an air of confidence and is likable. That was Romney's problem in 2012, he could have won, but he wasn't a people's kind of guy. The Republicans need pragmatism, not ultra conservatism.



most republicans need to realize that this ain't the 1950s and welcome themselves to 2016

shit it ain't even the current republicans fault.....BUSH RUINED THE GOP


bush and the tea party ruined the republicans, bush was so bad, he got Obama elected.

I saw in the paper today, that jeb bush said "we need more troops in Iraq" is he insane? doesn't he get it yet?

people want out of the war.i think that statement could cost him his partys nomimation.



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Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll


I saw in the paper today, that jeb bush said "we need more troops in Iraq" is he insane? doesn't he get it yet?



Does he have sons? If so he should send them first.


All God's children are not beautiful. Most of God's children are, in fact, barely presentable.


I never met anyone who didn't have a very smart child. What happens to these children, you wonder, when they reach adulthood?



Re: Election 2016 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #855664
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We did need more troops in Iraq? That is why Iran and Isis took Iraq over.

We better not intervene in Iraq with Isis. Hopefully Iran and Isis will kill each other off.


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Re: Election 2016 [Re: Binnie_Coll] #855673
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Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
Originally Posted By: cookcounty
Originally Posted By: rockstar_man45
Whoever GOP elects to be their nominee, with the exception of Trump, it better be someone who's smart and portrays an air of confidence and is likable. That was Romney's problem in 2012, he could have won, but he wasn't a people's kind of guy. The Republicans need pragmatism, not ultra conservatism.



most republicans need to realize that this ain't the 1950s and welcome themselves to 2016

shit it ain't even the current republicans fault.....BUSH RUINED THE GOP


bush and the tea party ruined the republicans, bush was so bad, he got Obama elected.

I saw in the paper today, that jeb bush said "we need more troops in Iraq" is he insane? doesn't he get it yet?

people want out of the war.i think that statement could cost him his partys nomimation.


A. The Republicans aren't ruined. The first Tea Party mass movement occurred the day after Rick Santelli on CNBC criticized an Obama recovery plan on February 19, 2009. Unless they had a time machine the Tea Party movement couldn't have affected the 2008 election. There were small Tea Party groups that were local, but there was no national movement until after Santelli spoke.
B. Bush didn't get Obama elected. John McCain was a poor candidate and ran a bad campaign while Obama ran a much better campaign.
C. If you have an issue with what Jeb Bush said, consider that Donald Trump said he'd send troops to Iraq and take their oil wells.

Re: Election 2016 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #855678
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Actually, what hurt McCain was that he choose a nut job as his running mate. Palin set women back a hundred years.


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She was stupid enough to be the governor of Alaska. Which game her far more experience that Obama had and he was running for president.


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Re: Election 2016 [Re: Giacomo_Vacari] #855714
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Originally Posted By: Giacomo_Vacari
Actually, what hurt McCain was that he choose a nut job as his running mate. Palin set women back a hundred years.


I'm not a fan of hers, but poll numbers from 2008 disprove that. She actually increased McCain's poll numbers, and that wasn't just with the MILF-lovers.

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She was stupid enough to be the governor of Alaska. Which game her far more experience that Obama had and he was running for president.


You're right. Obama had zero executive experience when he ran for Prez and had not even had a full term as a senator.

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barack Obama was in Illinois policitcs for 10 years

Illinois politics is better training than most other states

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The only thing Chicago for a black gang member was good for was to learn how and where to hide the weapons they would use to kill before they actually kill some one.


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Re: Election 2016 [Re: cookcounty] #855814
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Originally Posted By: cookcounty
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barack Obama was in Illinois policitcs for 10 years

Illinois politics is better training than most other states


cook, you are kidding aren't you? is it 3 out of the last 4 governers in Illinois that went to prison? one sold obamas empty senate seat.

yes, great training, gets you ready for Washington, where you can just keep on being bought.



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Re: Election 2016 [Re: cookcounty] #855826
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Originally Posted By: cookcounty
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barack Obama was in Illinois policitcs for 10 years

Illinois politics is better training than most other states


Like Binnie said, a lot of them ended up in prison, so I guess it is great training in how to be a corrupt politician! lol

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Originally Posted By: Faithful1

I'm not a fan of hers, but poll numbers from 2008 disprove that. She actually increased McCain's poll numbers, and that wasn't just with the MILF-lovers.


She was picked to get the party's base excited, because up to that point they were as animated as a brick. Did she cost McCain votes? Maybe, maybe not. It's one of those tough things to argue whether a perceived "shitty" running mate actually costs votes.

Consider this: Dan Quayle quickly was seen as a joke in 1988, getting creamed in his own V.P. debate by that certain moment that's one of the most replayed highlights in the history of televised American debates. That said, Bush Sr. still won that election in a landslide.

Or 1952, Nixon was accused of doing illegal shit* and people (some within his own party) called for Ike to dump him. He gave the Checkers Speech, rallied his party's base to support him, and Eisenhower won in a landslide.

*=The same sort of shit that the Democratic candidate for President that year, Adlai Stevenson, had done as well but without any public attention what so ever.

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I have to give props to Trump. I thought the debate would kill him, but the precise opposite happened. In fact Jeb and Walker both apparently came off poorly.

It's funny we're talking about "experience" since several names I see on top of the GOP polls (Trump, Carson) have precisely ZERO elected/political experience.

Then again Grant/Eisenhower/Zachary Taylor as Generals had zero elected office experience as well. In fact Taylor didn't vote in a national election until his own! Grant is considered one of our worst Presidents, Eisenhower is considered a very good/semi-great President, and Taylor died before he could have any meaningful impact.

So what does this mean? It's a crapshoot.

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As for the other party, didn't I say Hillary could fuck up a cup of coffee? Now Sanders is leading her in one New Hampshire poll and VP Biden may run after all.

Fun Fact: The last time Republicans won the White House without Nixon or any of the Bushes on the ticket? 1928.

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Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
As for the other party, didn't I say Hillary could fuck up a cup of coffee? Now Sanders is leading her in one New Hampshire poll and VP Biden may run after all.

I've known Ronnie for a very long time, and although he's floated a bit too far to the Left for my taste (he used to be much more of a Centrist, like myself), I can honestly say that he has no love for Hillary. She's done anyway. I told you guys eight years ago that she'll never see the Presidency. And she won't.


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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
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As for the other party, didn't I say Hillary could fuck up a cup of coffee? Now Sanders is leading her in one New Hampshire poll and VP Biden may run after all.

I've known Ronnie for a very long time, and although he's floated a bit too far to the Left for my taste (he used to be much more of a Centrist, like myself), I can honestly say that he has no love for Hillary. She's done anyway. I told you guys eight years ago that she'll never see the Presidency. And she won't.


yeah, you said it a while back, it looks as though you called it right, you called it before the e-mail scandal.

so, you must have heard something or been privy to some information because before this e-mail thing she was the front runner, looking like she could do it.



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Ronnie what do you think of Bernie Sanders?

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Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
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@faithful

barack Obama was in Illinois policitcs for 10 years

Illinois politics is better training than most other states


cook, you are kidding aren't you? is it 3 out of the last 4 governers in Illinois that went to prison? one sold obamas empty senate seat.

yes, great training, gets you ready for Washington, where you can just keep on being bought.




taught him how to diplomatically deal with crooks which is what the president does

Chicago is a powerful city and he maneuvered through to become the president

don't be mad at Obama, be mad a George bush

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