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Re: This is interesting
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06/11/11 05:39 PM
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Excellent stuff - Eboli clearly figured out that Carlo Gambino and Tommy Lucchese were setting up Joe Bonnano, and that Catena did not see it.
Best way to catch the smart ones? Get an idiot working for them.
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Re: This is interesting
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06/11/11 10:09 PM
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It is an awesome find. That Mary Ferrel site has some great stuff; its just the matter of trudging through all the files to find the gold. Most of the articles are no where near as interesting or as easy to read as this one.
Its a spin out to see how big mouthed some of the old timers were, around the time the feds started blackbugging, & before the wiretap became the standard assumption in racketeering cases. For example, the Sam the Plumber tapes, or Stafano Maggadino's tirades against Joe Banana's, and so many other cases.
In the early days, especially during the immigrant generations, one could understand how stirring oratory would have been respected & almost essential. But times have definitely changed.
Last edited by Mickey_MeatBalls_DeMonica; 06/11/11 10:33 PM.
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Re: This is interesting
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06/12/11 07:16 AM
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Re: This is interesting
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06/12/11 08:06 PM
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For example, the Sam the Plumber tapes, or Stafano Maggadino's tirades against Joe Banana's, and so many other cases. Does anyone know if the Sam the Plumber & Maggadino tapes / transcripts are posted online anywhere?
Best way to catch the smart ones? Get an idiot working for them.
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Re: This is interesting
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06/12/11 08:43 PM
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Awesome find! Thanks for posting! Pages 14 and 15 were amazing! The part where Eboli thought he was gonna get whacked...man it was like reading a page from a good book. great stuff
Last edited by Mooney; 06/12/11 08:43 PM.
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Re: This is interesting
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06/14/11 08:53 AM
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Re: This is interesting
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07/25/15 11:26 PM
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P 23 they are talking about five guys getting killed in South River. That is mind blowing, I never heard of that many guys getting hit at once except for the Valentine's Day Massacre. I doubt South River had five recorded murders in it's whole history.
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Re: This is interesting
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07/27/15 05:35 AM
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Jerry Catena was fuckin filthy rich, I read something once that he had a piece of an oil rig and had 20% of the Dallas cowboys or some shit; But it illustrates something about those genovese guys I pointed out in another thread; Lucky,Costello, Adonis,and you can kinda see the continuation with Catena, these guys were like criminal businessmen first, kinda aloof when it came to the politics of the streets. You can see how Catenas lethargy hurts the Genovese position on the Commision, what Eboli was trying to tell him. They Kept Catena away from Mike Miranda because Miranda is someone who would be savvy enough to read those guys;Catena was clearly great at business,but a little slow at plots and intrigue. This lethargy cost the Genovese family thier position of primacy, and its clear that soon as they had the chance, benny, Gigante, and those guys, once they had the power, started to undo all the shit Carlo did in the 60s...
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Re: This is interesting
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07/27/15 10:48 AM
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He was right on the money. Im of the opinion Luchesse might have been the top boss of his time period. Maybe not head of the biggest family,but he was feared, respected, politically connected,and there was no way Vito, Carlo, shit even Luciano get anywhere without Luchesse.Remember, he tipped Lucky off that Maranzano was going to kill him.. You serious? Neither of the three could get anywhere without Tommy Lucchese? Frank Costello had just as much, if not more political connections than Lucchese had, and he was a Luciano subordinate and was the Commissions go-to-guy when it came to political corruption. Lucchese tipping off Luciano to his name being on Maranzano's hit list isn't exactly an example of power, it's more so a portrayal of collusion of the younger guard, and that they most likely had been planning to get rid of Maranzano anyway.
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Re: This is interesting
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07/27/15 02:00 PM
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He had an older brother, both were also supposedly pretty good cat burgalars back in those days, his brother was also a made guy in the Bioardo Genovese Crew. His older brother went by the name of Big Pussy Russo. So evidently, being the little brother, and a good thief they called him Little Pussy.
Little Pussy was later murdered at the orders of The Boot, under suspicions of being a rat. Fact is he probably wasn't, but he talked too much, and wasn't very liked by pretty much anyone after a while, and his older brother was somewhat his protector. Once Big Pussy died, his death notice was sealed.
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