slavery was the driving issue of everyday of the civi war

the confederate flag represents a flag that wanted slavery

can't get around that.

This couldn't be further from the truth...those who obtain their knowledge of history from the Today Show or John Stewart will always produce mis-information such as this. Infantile.

Actually most white people of the era did not own slaves. Actually there was a massive abolitionist movement extant at that time. Actually, soldiers don't get to decide what they fight for, they are simply conscripted into war and must carry out their function. Actually the first person to lose their cool in a debate usually ran out of logic and facts to counter attack the arguments of the other debater.

My city's council unanimously voted and removed the state flag, along with 5 other cities :
http://www.cdispatch.com/news/article.asp?aid=43399

I read the article and am curious about how Kabir Karriem said he normally doesn't agree with Mayor Robert Smith. What's that about? What's the difference between them?

Slavery was the driving issue. Anyone who ignores that is IGNORING THE VERY OWN STATEMENTS PUT OUT BY SECEEDING STATES.

"Infantile" though. Read some history... The facts are plain.

It's basically disagreements on certain issues and yet they have their own radio show. It's time for a new mayor.

Well, thank you Mighty....since you clearly know quite a bit about this topic, and I would like to benefit from your knowledge, could you give me your source base for further reading? Thank you kindly.

http://www.civilwar.org/education/history/primarysources/declarationofcauses.html

I already told you what I was referencing but here is a link.

This might be my biggest pet peeve. It's truly amazing this turned into "states rights" -- one of the bigger American lies.

If you have trouble picking out the parts that directly reference slavery, I can do that for you tomorrow. Just curious - have you ever read these before?

Honestly, what good would this do you?

It wouldn't...some people just need to be humored.

Check out this video on YouTube:

http://youtu.be/vAZADY7kzv4

Check out this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcy7qV-BGF4

Faithful I just saw that YouTube.

I always thought the reason for the civil war was other things besides slavery. I would believe it was because of the cheap labor that slavery represented.

Cheap labor like Mexican labor maybe that is our slavery today cheap labor. Plus getting Mexicans and people on welfair and other public assistance to vote democrat. To keep their gravy train from stopping.

People in politics were fucked up then, and their still fucked up today.

^^^^^

jail is our slavery today, mexican immigrants just get taken advantage of

most people on welfare and public aide probably vote republican for misguided reasons

If people didn't do the crime then they wouldn't be doing the time. Very few people in jail are innocent of anything. With slavery people were imprisoned from the day they were born to the day they died and weren't guilty of anything, so there's no comparison between the two.

Maybe voting Republican would be first step in getting out of welfare and public assistance. As they say, doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is the definition of crazy. Black Americans have been voting 80-90% Democrat for decades what has it done for them? Even under Obama, the black unemployment rate has increased. Then again, what does a successful brain surgeon like Ben Carson or a billionaire real estate developer know about anything?

I honestly doubt voting for either party would do anything better for blacks. Historically Blacks been voting republicans since the reconstruction era and yet had to deal with the Jim Crow laws (nationwide). The welfare system coupled with the development of housing projects along with cultural/institutional discrimination forged the situation for generations. The situation is no doubt affected by politics but more so with residential & commercial attitude that possibly could of prevented some of the decline with those communities. I'm honestly not that political savvy but I would think most of my people should just vote & stay independent.

The comparison of chattel slavery to modern day prisons is an extremely disrespectful one. Whenever I read that I get the impression that person who says that doesn't understand history or is just repeating something that they heard but may not understand........or just trolling.

The book New Jim Crow era and other pro blacks used that notation in reference to the large number of blacks incarcerated and also the school to prison pipeline too.

@BF,

First I'd like to tell you that you are more politically savvy than you think you are. I always felt that politics are made to seem a lot more complex than they are. It comes down to policies,laws, and rulings. Everything else is just bells and whistles.

About the "new jim crow" and "school to prison" pipeline stuff, there are always external and internal factors but the ones feeding people this stuff know that some would rather blame the outside forces instead of taking a long hard look in the mirror and face the reality of the INTERNAL issues.

You can't sell books or do lecture tours telling people to go to school, and not have children that they can't properly raise though...but you can make money blaming unseen evil forces like the prison industrial complex, "wilie lynch", and the school to prison pipeline, and of course "the Illuminati"

Damn nice post

@Gets

Thank You 100+ respect.

That illuminati runs the media/country crazed is a migraine. This rapper success equals that conspiracy , these symbols mean this, etc.

actually i just read the other day that black unemployment rate is lowest in years

brain surgery and real estate ain't got shit to do with running a country

concering your statement that very few people in jail are innocent.. its a ridiculous statement, by the advent of DNA many, many people were proven to be wrongly convicted, many sued and were awarded cash settlements.

also many police departments were guilty of planting drug evidence on people they pulled over on traffic stops.

all this has been proven in court in many cases, also people incarcerated in Guantanamo there are hundreds with no charges filled against them and, have been imprisoned for years.

there are far too many cases to mention where people have been wrongly convicted.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...t-rate-african/

A successful brain surgeon and a real estate developer sure do as shit can do a lot with running a country. One has personal experience in health care and treating people, serving on business boards and has authored multiple scientific articles; the second has years of business experience. Compare that to the current occupant of the White House who has none of that and who didn't even finish his one term as a senator before he was elected. Since business is what pays the taxes for this country to run, yeah, it's a big deal.

It's not a ridiculous statement. Only a very small percentage are wrongfully convicted and the overwhelming majority committed crimes that landed them in prison. I didn't say there weren't any wrongful convictions, and I support DNA evidence to release those who shouldn't be there. I also agree that there's police corruption. Hell, that's discussed all the time on these Mafia-related forums, so that's obvious to anyone who posts here. Again though, none of that negates the fact that most people in prison did crimes and deserve to be there.

Guantanamo Bay is totally irrelevant to domestic policing and corrections. That has to do with the military, military justice, and terrorism. Separate discussion.

Cook county said "black unemployment rate is the lowest in years"

Haha that is funny man. I think if they go on public assistance they go off the unemployment rate.

How old are you are you still living with daddy?

It's cook, did y'all expect a post that makes sense?

Yes, they only count as unemployed if they are actually looking for work. So for that information you'd look at the Black Labor Force Participation Rate, which is very low under Obama. It hasn't been as low since Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/01/...-ever-recorded/

I think the unemployment rate is in the United States over all is closer to 15 percent.

Among blacks it is closer to 20 percent or even more then that. It is a disgrace.

Anyone who actually buys the bullshit numbers the government puts out is an idiot.

Plenty of people in their 50s lost their jobs due to down sizing and other cut backs.

So what are they doing taking unemployment, welfare and working off the books.

My brother in law has been doing this for years. He has me for money for years. I told him no because and old beef I have had with him. He divorces his first wife. He has a son that needed a special diet to keep from having mental problems. His lawyer advised him not to pay it.

So I paid the 700 a month. I don't forget that. His son is now in his 40s and is fine. But he has nothing to do with his father now. When that first happen when his son was a new born I through his father down the stairs out side my first house.

My brother is an industrial engineer he is almost 80. He does not have enough money coming in. So I have loaned him at least 20 thousand to help him out. He pays me back 60 dollars a month towards it. I think I will be 200 years old when he pays me all back