Thats a retarded argument at the end of the day and a sick one too. Im not saying we should all take part in the rainbow parade or whatever but saying they are one or two steps removed from peadofiles is disgusting.People that genuinely believe that argument are probably hoping something like that happens just so they can turn around and go 'told you so'.

Is it unrealistic? I'm sure people even a generation or two ago would have never dreamed gay marriage would be legal across the country. And yet here we are. YOU may not support pedophilia but your support of gay marriage has moved us closer to that, whether you want to recognize that fact or not. People who support gay marriage think they're being nice, tolerant, accepting, non-judgmental, progressive, etc. But they, in their ignorance and arrogance, or only furthering the decline of our society.

Thanks for the head's up, Nicky.

I wasn't really paying attention to the story. But if you reread my initial post about the subject, I said that he had "the look," (which is something that will drive libs up a tree, but tell me that most pedophiles don't share that same creepy look).

Anyway, I should have gone with my gut. Because it's usually right .

That's just it. You think it's disgusting because you don't recognize gay marriage, or homosexuality in general, for being the perversion and abomination it is. Pedophilia is certainly further down that dark road but to think that widespread acceptance of homosexuality or legalized gay marriage hasn't moved us along it is just living in denial and refusing to take responsibility for your own wrong choices and incorrect views.

Don't want to be involved into the topic of homosexuality again (I don't bother them, they don't bother me and everything is fine) but, speaking of what should be allowed and what shouldn't, on some forums I saw topics where people seriously asked whether incest could be legalized, not just between cousins, but betweeb SIBLINGS and PARENTS AND CHILDREN?
Somebody tell me, how much does it last until the word "freedom" doesn't YET justify EVERYTHING, including physical violence as well? For now, it's almost the only thing still considered universal taboo among ALL law-abiding citizens. But don't you think one day "freedom" will out-weigh "respect for law, morality and human life" even in this case?

Saying that the "support" (not caring is how I like to describe my views on the lives of people I don't know) of a relationship between two consensual adults will lead to country wide acceptance of pedophilia is fear mongering



Painting everyone who disagrees with your view with the same brush. I don't live my life with the idea that I want people to think of me as a progressive nice tolerant guy. Maybe some people in this world just don't care what other people do but to



I don't think I am ignorant or arrogant, since I don't think I have told anyone on here they are wrong. I am not ignorant to other peoples views (I may not always agree) nor am I arrogant enough to say you are wrong I am right end of story.

[Edit] If you are talking about the specific language in the Supreme Court decision, which includes the science aspect you are talking about, which I think should not have been included on the ruling, then I understand what your are saying

According to a Hadith accepted by orthodox Muslims, Aisha was 6 when she was betrothed to Muhammad and 9 when they married. To be fair, there are "progressive" Muslims who reject that Hadith, but they are a slim minority. In the Salafi Islam common to Saudi Arabia that has spread all over the world it is believed to be true, and you'll see child brides all over the Islamic State (ISIS). To most non-Muslims this is pedophilia, but to them it's normal.

Nobody cares about the blowjobs you give.

weird story takes a weird turn



http://www.businessinsider.com/fbi-subpoenae-subway-jared-fogles-text-2015-7

The FBI has subpoenaed an affidavit containing alleged texts between former Subway spokesman Jared Fogle and a former female Subway franchisee in which Fogle says he paid for sex with a 16-year-old girl, according to the former franchisee's attorney.

The former franchisee shared the texts and her concerns about Fogle with Subway management at the time, her lawyer says, but Subway did nothing. Subway says it has no record of the woman's complaint.

The woman's lawyer, who asked to remain anonymous, said the FBI recently subpoenaed his law office for the text-message conversations, which Business Insider has viewed.

In the messages, Fogle repeatedly asks the woman — a Subway franchisee at the time — to advertise herself on Craigslist for sex with other men.

He asks her if he can watch the sexual acts and tells her she can make about $500 per act.

The messages in the affidavit, which the attorney says were recorded from the woman's phone by a court reporter in 2008 and witnessed and verified by a notary-public official, span from January 2008 to June 2008. Business Insider independently verified the authenticity of the affidavit. We also verified that a phone number in the document was registered to a Jared Fogle.

The woman was apparently in a sexual relationship with Fogle at the time. She became uncomfortable with the relationship as Fogle pushed her to post listings on Craigslist and detailed other trysts, according to her lawyer.

Wendy Osborne, spokeswoman for FBI's Southern Indiana branch, would not confirm or deny that the FBI has subpoenaed the messages.

Subway suspended its relationship with Fogle, a spokesman for the brand for the last 15 years, on July 7 after federal and state authorities raided his Indiana home. It has scrubbed every mention of Fogle from its website and stores.

The raid came months after an employee of Fogle's charitable foundation was arrested on child-pornography charges, and Subway said at the time it believed the raid on Fogle's home was in relation to that case.

Fox59 and CBS also reported at the time — citing law-enforcement sources — that the raid was related to a child-pornography investigation.

Several weeks later, Fogle still hasn't been charged. In fact, the US attorney's office — which is now handling the case — won't even say if an investigation is or isn't underway.

According to the affidavit obtained by Business Insider, Fogle asked the former Subway franchisee in May 2008 to set up a meeting for him with her cousin. The cousin was underage at the time, according to the woman's lawyer.

Jared Fogle Subway FBIAP Photo/Michael ConroySubway spokesman Jared Fogle leaves his home during an FBI raid, July 7, 2015, in Zionsville, Indiana.

"When can we find a time for me to talk to your cousin?" Fogle asks in a message dated May 1, 2008.

"Any more news with your cousin?" he asks the following day. "Tell me what u think about when u think of the three of us all together???"

Earlier, in April, according to the affidavit, Fogle asked the woman, "How young would you like?... Would you want to have an adventure like that?"

On June 19, the lawyer says that Fogle again asked the woman to advertise herself on Craigslist. She responds: "Is this the same website you found that 16 year old girl you that you f*****? ...I still can't believe you only paid $100 for her."

Fogle responds: "It was amazing!!!!"

She asks: "What part of her ad made you think she was selling sex?"

He says: "U will have to read them to see."

The age of consent in Indiana, where Fogle resides, is 16 years old.

Fogle's attorney, Ron Elberger, who has been quick to respond to questions in the past, has not responded to calls and emails from Business Insider about the text messages.

The woman, who initially met Fogle at a Subway function, grew uncomfortable with the conversations over time and hired a lawyer — the same lawyer that Business Insider has interviewed — to determine whether the communication violated her franchiser-franchisee contract with Subway.

That's when the messages were extracted from her phone.

Jared Fogle SubwayMatt Sayles/Invision for SUBWAY Restaurants/AP ImagesJared “The Subway Guy” Fogle, April 13, 2015, in Los Angeles.

The woman reported the communications to Subway, her lawyer says. Subway determined that no violations occurred, however, due to the fact that Fogle was not an employee of Subway — even though he was hired to do marketing for the brand.

The woman also contacted Subway's corporate office regarding the issue, and she requested that Subway allow her to remove all marketing related to Fogle from her store, according to the lawyer.

She met with two levels of management, shared the messages with them, "and specifically requested not to have his imagery and merchandising related to him in her stores," the lawyer said. "She also specifically warned them that he should not be interacting with young people."

Subway continued to use Fogle in national advertising campaigns until the FBI raid on his home earlier this month.

When reached for comment, Subway said, "We have no record of this allegation."

A former journalist separately came forward earlier this month claiming that Fogle made inappropriate remarks to her about middle-school girls.

Florida ABC affiliate WWSB reported: "According to the woman, Jared would often visit schools in Sarasota County, and allegedly told her numerous times that, 'Middle school girls are hot.'"

The woman, who asked to remain anonymous, claimed Fogle also made other remarks that made her uncomfortable, but she didn't go into detail on those conversations.

Jared FogleAPFogle first rose to fame as Subway's spokesman 15 years ago.

"They weren't jokes. They were very serious," she told WWSB.

The woman said she contacted the FBI about the comments and was later asked to wear a wire and record conversations with Fogle, according to the report.

Responding to the claims, Fogle's attorney, Ron Elberger, previously said "the story is a fabrication that lacks credibility."

Fogle first rose to fame as Subway's spokesman 15 years ago, after losing more than 200 pounds by eating their sandwiches. He has a net worth of $15 million, according to the New York Daily News.

Subway's decision to suspend its relationship with Fogle marks an end to the chain's most lucrative endorsement deal.

The company's chief marketing officer told the Daily News that Fogle is likely responsible for one-third to one-half of Subway's growth in the past 15 years.

In addition to his work for Subway, Fogle also started the Jared Foundation, a charitable group aiming to help children develop better eating and exercise habits.

Russell Taylor, the former executive director of Fogle Foundation, was arrested two months ago in Indianapolis on federal child-pornography charges following an April 29 FBI raid of his home.

More than 400 videos of child pornography were found in his possession, according to court documents reviewed by Business Insider.

] that tells me muhammed was a pedophile. and there is no excuse for that. prophet or not.

update

Jared to take plea deal

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime...diana/31929227/


Former Subway restaurant pitchman Jared Fogle is set to plead guilty Wednesday morning to distributing and receiving child pornography and that he engaged in "unlawful commercial sexual acts with minors," according to a plea agreement released by the U.S. Attorney of the Southern District of Indiana.

Prosecutors have agreed to seek a sentence no greater than 12 and a half years. Fogle agreed not to seek a sentence of less than five years.

Fogle will appear before federal magistrate judge Mark Dinsmore at 11 a.m. The U.S. attorney's office has scheduled a news conference for 12:30 p.m. to discuss the case.

Wearing a black suit and tie, with a stone-faced expression, Fogle was surrounded by attorneys and U.S. marshals as he walked into a second-floor court chamber.

The plea agreement says Fogle traveled to New York for sex with at least two minors between about 2010 and 2013. It said Fogle asked one of the minor victims "repeatedly ... to provide him with access to minors as young as 14 years" for sex.

It says that on "multiple occasions" between about 2011 and 2015 Fogle received child pornography from Russell C. Taylor, the former executive director of his charity, The Jared Foundation.

Fogle agreed to pay the 14 victims $100,000 each as part of the plea agreement.

A spokesman for Fogle's attorney, Jeremy Margolis, said Margolis will make a brief statement around 11:30 a.m. Fogle will be present, but will not speak, the spokesman said.

FBI, Indiana State Police and other agencies served a search warrant July 7 at Fogle's home in Zionsville. Federal officials have declined comment on any aspect of the case, including the hours-long search that started before sunrise, which reporters from The Star and other media observed from the street outside the home.

Fogle's attorney at the time said his client had been cooperating with law enforcement and that he had not been "detained, arrested or charged with any crime or offense."

The search followed the arrest April 29 of Taylor on preliminary child pornography charges. A statement from Subway at the time said the company believed the search at Fogle's home was related to the case against Taylor.

That day, Subway announced it had suspended its relationship with Fogle.

Court documents from Taylor's arrest said he had produced and possessed pornography involving children — boys and girls — as young as 9 years old. The pornography he is accused of producing was made during the time he was employed by the foundation.

The foundation, through trips to schools and other events, encouraged children to eat healthy food and exercise. Taylor, 43, became executive director in 2008.

Fogle fired Taylor soon after the arrest, saying he was "shocked" and that the foundation was "severing all ties" with the colleague who often accompanied him to the charitable events.

Taylor attempted suicide a week after his arrest while in custody at the Marion County Jail. He remains in federal custody.

A tip from a woman who contacted the Indiana State Police prompted the investigation into Taylor, court records said. The woman said Taylor, among other things, offered to send her images and video of young girls by text messaging.

Police had searched Taylor's home on the 1300 block of Salem Creek Boulevard on the day he was arrested. Officers found digital media cards and thumb drives that included "multiple video files of nude or partially nude minor children," according to court documents. There were more than 400 such videos.

Federal prosecutors have twice delayed the filing of formal charges against Taylor. The judge who approved the court orders granting the extensions — the latest is until Sept. 3 — noted that "the ends of justice will be served" by the delays, indicating the possibility that Taylor was cooperating with investigators.

Fogle became a sandwich pitchman after a 1999 article in Indiana University's student newspaper. It detailed how, in one year, while eating two Subway sandwiches per day, Fogle went from 425 pounds with a 60-inch waist to 180 pounds and a 34-inch waist.

The following year, Fogle's first Subway commercial was televised, and he became a star, starting a career that drove sales for the company.

His net worth was estimated at $15 million by celebritynetworth.com.

This story will be updated.

Kristine Guerra contributed to this story.

Anybody read the indictment? He's a sick bastard!

@Dixie,

Was gonna post the pdf of the indictment but it made my skin crawl reading excerpts of it.

I'm wondering how his lawyer was able to get him home confinement with ankle monitor instead of in lockup while he waits sentencing.

His buddy tried killing himself and it stands to reason that Jared may do the same thing.

Also....the woman who blew the whistle alleges that she contacted Subway with some of this information and that they blew her off. The top marketing guy at subway just quit and I think that once Jared goes off to prison that the attention is going to shift to what Subway did or didn't do...and the children that could have been spared .

A lot of pics on FB saying he will be getting a foot long in prison...lol

whose gonna be accountable if he rapes again before his sentencing date?

people usually get hauled off to jail after a guilty plea

This link has the indictment: http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/read-jared-fogle-indictment

Comparatively speaking, this is nothing compared to what goes on in the Middle East everyday. Doesn't even come close. Girls as young as 5 repeatedly raped by full grown men, and it's fully acceptable. They follow the example of Muhammad, who married his sixth wife, Aisha, when she was 6 years old, then consummated that marriage when she was 9. He only waited the three years because she had a condition which caused her hair to fall out, but it was okay for the old man (he was 53) to have sex with her after it grew back. Muhammad often enjoyed watching her and her friends play with dolls, and sometimes he joined in. Jared deserves prison for what he did, what the other animals deserve is a millennia of torture, at the very least.

Religion, gotta love when people take everything literal and not look at the content in the time period it was written in.

He deserves a lot worse than prison, in my opinion.

That's a broadbrush against all religion when the issue is really one. The Quran was written to be taken literally. It's problem is that it is just wrong.

F1,

I'm certain that you know more about this topic, Islam, and the comparative views of other religions on subjects than I do.

But I've taken a few classes on religion and own a few books. More importantly I've been listening to an audiobook version of the Bible for 3 years now. And the actual words on the page in the Old Testament regarding this and other issues are a bit shocking...even when taken in full context in the verses and chapters and books they are found in.And remember I was brought up in a Christian household so I've read and listened to the book several times over.

I've not studied the Talmud as closely, nor been able to put excerpts in context but the words on the page about this topic are shocking to 21st century Western eyes.

The words on the page about this topic in the Quran are shocking and I have less understanding of that book than the others.

Since those three faiths have different schools of thought, and denominations though in general use the same book, why is Islam singled out as the only one being wrong and expressly meant to be taken literally.

Gett, the answer is that the practice of child sex by Muslims is, in the 21st century, still being rationalized as moral and otherwise legitimate by Islam's religious canon by those Muslims who engage in child sex.

I recommend watching this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1C3q3Zr_R8E and reading his book, http://www.amazon.com/God-Moral-Monster-...ords=paul+copan

Most people don't know the full context. Like I said, a major difference is that Christians are to follow Jesus as their example and Muslims follow Muhammad as theirs. That's why what ISIS is doing does follow his example. Muhammad had a child wife, so can they. Muhammad had slaves, or at least authorized slavery, so can they. The later verses of the Quran teach killing unbelievers, so can they. Contrast that to the words of Jesus on the Sermon on the Mount and elsewhere. As for the Talmud, I saw what a number of Muslims say about it and examined it for myself (it's available online); it doesn't say what they claim it says.

Oli,

I can't and won't defend THAT, I was saying that the ones doing that, using literal interpretations to justify perversity, represent one "faction" of Islam.

A few years ago when the earthquake struck in Haiti, even before the dead were buried Pat Robertson was making comments about the tragedy = Haiti being punished for working with the DEVIL to defeat the French. Implicitly saying that "God" was on the side of the French slavers .Wasn't the first time I read a Christian leader voice that opinion, and I don't remember ONE prominent Christian leader denouncing Robertson for his comments. I've read the literature that forms the core of that view as well as the Bible verses used to bolster it.
Robertson and those who hold those views don't represent every Christian anymore than those who used the Bible to justify North American slavery did.....anymore than those who used verses to justify segregation of races in America.

These interpretations are generally happening in regions of the world that are politically, socially and economically unstable

F1,

Going to view the video and comment on it.Thanks.
Yes, Christians are to follow Christ, but the Old Testament wasn't discarded by the New and both are taught in churches. With what emphasis depends on the denomination of the church

About the Muslim critiques of the Talmud, or the Jewish critiques of the Koran...both would be completely useless.

I've found that some of the most fair and honest critiques of a "group" come from members of that group who are proud of who they are but aren't afraid to call out the bull.

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I can't dispute the events that you've noted, or that the public justifications were given for them by said monsters. I'm just drawing parallels from the other Abrahamic faiths.

Pat Robertson, like a lot of TV ministers, often spoke before they thought. He didn't have direct revelation from God telling that and later apologized. Jerry Falwell made even more bonehead statements. He had to apologize too. Let me know when ISIS apologizes for what its leaders say, not to mention all of its rapes, slavery and murders. Let me know when the majority of Sunni Muslims who believe that apostates should be killed and Israel should be destroyed apologize, and the same for Shi'a Muslims who believe the same thing. The one peaceful group are the Ahmadiyya, who are very small and considered heretics by the other groups. They represent 1% of Islam (which is about 10 million out of 1+ billion Muslims).

As for those who used the Bible to justify slavery, especially the sort of racist slavery that existed in the USA, Brazil and the UK, yes, people did that. But the question is, did they actually interpret those verses accurately? No, they didn't. The Bible clearly condemns "man-stealing," and that was the primary meaning of the commandment that says "Thou Shall Not Steal." That was how Jews understood since a person has property in him or herself. Then in other verses in Acts and Galatians 3:28 and Colossians 3:11 make it clear that there is no racial discrimination in the New Testament. The racists who misused Bible verses didn't go unchallenged either. People like Samuel Sewall, Granville Sharp, Adam Clarke, Jonathan Edwards Jr., Albert Barnes and Lemuel Haynes challenged them.

F1,

Will watch the video, go back and check some of my reference materials, and cross my Ts and dot I's

then I'll be bock.....like Arnold said in the film....I'll be bock.

Gets, we'll keep each other on our toes, LOL

Ex-Subway pitchman sentenced to 15-1/2 years on child sex charges

Source: Reuters

This is my favorite quote, straight from the mouth of his defense attorney:



As if the two are in any way comparable.

The judge actually gave him three more years than the prosecution was seeking. Another highlight of the article:



Hopefully he does the right thing and hangs himself in his prison cell.

And maybe he will be getting a lot of 6 inchers too- right shorty ??