people r naturally suspicious of this for the fact it looks a lot like Waco part 2,and we just got a new Attorney General,also the fact that there have been entire chapters of 1%er clubs started by and made up of members of the Feds,like jay dobyns and the AZ HA's were able pull off. everyone knows the Feds infiltrated these groups and r the ones instigating all the violence.

Yep this was supposedly the FIRST time the Cossacks have showed up at all or in a LONG TIME and yet the cops were waiting. They have a snitch or UC FOR SURE.

Mainstream media starting to turn on the waco pd/local system. Doesn't take long for the media to react when they get fucked around on those Freedom of Information documents...

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/state/hea...co-shootout.ece

Released bikers give clashing accounts of Twin Peaks shootout

A rugged cross has been erected at the site of the Twin Peaks shooting, which happened in the parking lot.
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Posted: Saturday, June 6, 2015 6:01 pm
By J.B. SMITH jbsmith@wacotrib.com
As more bikers are released from McLennan County Jail, the accounts of what led up to the deadly shootout at Twin Peaks come into sharper conflict with each other.

Police and prosecutors have painted the May 17 shooting as a clash of rival “gangs” — primarily the Bandidos and Cossacks motorcycle clubs — that were armed and prepared to settle scores in a public place.
Waco police have said more than 300 weapons found at the scene show there was “criminal intent” among the 177 who were jailed in the immediate aftermath of the shooting.

“(It) indicates to the public that these are not clubs, these are criminal gangs that came here with the intent or anticipation of violence,” Waco police Sgt. Patrick Swanton said in the week after the shooting.

Bikers and their attorneys give different accounts of the cause of the conflict, depending on their sympathies toward one group or another.
But the bikers on both sides say they were shocked by the eruption of violence and tried to get out of the way, only to be arrested as co-conspirators.
Matt Clendennen, a member of the Cossacks-aligned Scimitars Motorcycle Club, was released on bond Tuesday. He said he was on the patio sipping ice water and waiting to order lunch when the parking lot fight broke out, then immediately took refuge in an interior hallway.

“I didn’t have weapons of any kind,” said Clendennen, 30, a former firefighter who owns a landscaping business in Hewitt. “The only thing I had was a miniature pocketknife. I’m a business person, a hardworking person, a family man. If I thought there was potential for violence with any organization, I would not be part of it. Why would I? Why put my family in danger?”

Likewise, attorneys for Sandra “Drama” Lynch and her husband, Mike Lynch, of Mart, said the two were unarmed and unprepared for the conflict.
Sandra Lynch had arrived before 11:30 a.m. to set up for a 1 p.m. regional meeting of the Texas Confederation of Clubs and Independents, a bikers’ rights coalition for which she is an officer. The group is headed by a Bandido, and Cossacks are not members.


Mike and Sandra Lynch, officials in the Los Pirados Motorcycle Club, were released on bond this week in the Twin Peaks shooting. Facebook photo
Sandra Lynch was surprised when she saw a large group of Cossacks arriving around 11:30 a.m., said her attorney, Gary Smart of Arlington.
“When the Cossacks got there, her heart just sunk,” he said. “She just knew there was going to be trouble. (Cossacks) had been causing trouble around Waco for a while.”

At 11:33 a.m., she texted a friend from the biker confederation that a Cossack had just run into her in the parking lot. At that point, about 50 Cossacks had arrived, according to Lynch’s text.
“They were making derogatory comments and saying, ‘Get out of our way, we’re Cossacks,’ ” Smart said.
Police have said the altercation started when someone’s foot was run over, but Smart said Lynch had nothing to do with the fight, which started an hour after she was allegedly hit.
“She didn’t yell and scream,” he said. “She’s not going to start an altercation. It’s not in her nature.”

Lynch was still in the parking lot directing traffic when the fight broke out, Smart said.
“She started to take off running,” he said. “She made it a short distance and then hit the ground. Bullets were whizzing over her head.”
The Tribune-Herald has not been able to contact Cossacks or Bandidos officials.

Members of other local motorcycle clubs and groups that came for the COC&I meeting — such as Sons of the South, Boozefighters and American Legion Riders — corroborated the story that the meeting was meant to be a peaceful discussion of bikers’ legislative priorities.

Several of those confederation members say the Cossacks and allied Scimitars were attempting to crash their gathering and cause trouble for the Bandidos. The two groups have had violent clashes over the last six months, and a Texas law enforcement report in March suggested the groups might be beginning a war.

But a man identified as a top-ranking North Texas Cossack told a different story in a Washington Post article May 23. He said a leader of the Bandidos from Longview had contacted Owen Reeves, a Cossack from Bruceville-Eddy, and invited the Cossacks to powwow at Twin Peaks that Sunday about 11 a.m.


Anonymous source
The source told the Post that 100 Bandidos pulled up around 12:15 p.m., and a Bandido started a fight by running into a Cossack.
“It was a set-up from start to finish,” the otherwise anonymous Cossack told the Post.
But Sandra Lynch, the COC&I organizer who made the reservation for the meeting on Twin Peaks patio, heard nothing about the prospect of truce talks or a rumble, her attorney said.
“She was not aware of any gathering to create peace,” Smart said. “They had an agenda they were there to talk about. There was not going to be a truce or anything like that.”

He added that only about a dozen Bandidos were actually at Twin Peaks, which undermines the idea of a planned truce or fight between the rival motorcycle clubs.
Court documents show that Lynch had in her possession a beer koozie with the abbreviation for “Support Your Local Bandidos” and a vest patch reading “Support the Fat Mexican,” a Bandidos nickname. However, her attorney said that type of patch, in the shape of a Harley-Davidson logo, is a fan patch, not a sign of actual affiliation. He said the Lynches’ nine-member club, Los Pirados, is not a support club for any other group.

Stephen “Bowtie” Stubbs, a Las Vegas attorney who has represented motorcycle clubs including the Bandidos, said the idea that the Bandidos were offering a truce was “baloney,” as is the idea that they planned to war with the Cossacks on May 17.

‘Against every protocol’
“That is not what happened,” he said. “It would go against every protocol. I’ve been part of this world for years and part of negotiations over conflicts. . . . It would not have happened at a COC meeting. COC meetings are neutral ground where nothing is supposed to happen. . . . If they were expecting Armageddon, it would not be at Twin Peaks. It would be somewhere less public with no cameras around.”

Stubbs said talks between feuding groups would take place among top-level club leaders with hundreds of club members waiting some distance away. Such talks could take many hours, he said.

Stubbs said he has been in contact with various Texas motorcycle club leaders who were at the scene, and he said 16 Bandidos were at Twin Peaks, including one who was killed and 15 who went to jail. He claims that the violence started when a group of about 50 Cossacks surrounded a group of about seven Bandidos in the parking lot.

McLennan County prosecutors said this week at a hearing that video from the scene clearly shows “Bandidos executing Cossacks and Cossacks executing Bandidos, some at point-blank range” and that Cossacks stationed on the patio jumped over the railings to join the fray.
Clendennen said he was on the patio but wasn’t expecting any kind of trouble.
Clendennen said he joined the club a year ago because he wanted an organized group to ride with and found he got along well with the small local group of guys.

“We’re all hardworking men who enjoy riding motorcycles and giving back to the community,” he said.
Clendennen also has been friends with several local Cossacks, including Danny “Diesel” Boyett, a mechanic killed in the melee.
“He was an incredible person, one of the most caring, giving people I’ve met,” he said.

Hewitt business owner and Scimitars member Matt Clendennen said he was unaware that he was headed into a violent situation at Twin Peaks restaurant.

Clendennen said he didn’t know about any kind of violent feud going on between the Cossacks and Bandidos, though he knew there was some rivalry. He said he got a message from his motorcycle buddies a few days before that they would be meeting up at Twin Peaks and listening to a presentation on motorcycle legislation.

He said he had been to COC&I meetings before and thought they were public meetings, so Cossacks and Scimitars didn’t need to be invited.
Clendennen said that after the fighting started, he wasted little time taking cover inside.

“The was a verbal altercation, and I heard the first gunshot maybe a minute or two after that started,” he said. “It was a shock moment. You just freeze in place for a split second.”

He said he ducked inside and waited in a hallway leading to the bathroom, then fired off a text to his family to tell them he was OK. Soon, two police officers came in with rifles and made everybody get down on the floor. They escorted out a man from the bathroom who was bleeding from a wound, he said.
The police put Clendennen in zipties and took him with a couple hundred others to the Waco Convention Center for questioning. He said he assumed he was just a witness, and when an officer interviewed him, he got the impression he would be released soon.

‘Total shock’
He said he got worried when he was sent to the McLennan County Jail on State Highway 6, and was astounded when the group he was in was informed of their bond amounts.
“It was total shock,” he said. “My jaw dropped. Like, $1 million, are you serious? What could I have possible done to deserve a $1 million bond?”
Clendennen’s attorney, Clint Broden of Dallas, has filed a civil lawsuit against the city of Waco and McLennan County District Attorney Abel Reyna, claiming unlawful arrest and detention. Clendennen said the incident has prompted his ex-wife to file a temporary restraining order that has kept him from seeing two of his children and explaining what happened.

Meanwhile, he’s trying to catch up on a busy landscaping season with his business and worried that the arrest will cost him future business, though no customers have yet canceled on him.

And he says he is still trying to answer the questions of his 4-year-old who he has with his current wife.
“I’m still trying to get him over the idea that I went to jail,” he said. “He thinks you go to jail when you hurt somebody.”

For me, this article just muddied up the waters a bit more on what happened down there.

It's becoming a classic case of he-said, she-said nonsense. Take the motorcycles out of the story. Simplify it to people and associations:

The Landscaping/ex-fireman Scimitar member, is aligned with the cossaks. I am ignorant, but are the Cossaks identified or considered a societal threat because of their history of violence/criminal activity? How about the Bandidos?

If the answer is yes, then this Landscaper may be talking out of both sides of his mouth.

Now, the Lady who has the beer coozie and the vest patch in favor of the Bandidos...IF, IF, IF they are identified or considered criminal, what does she expect?

It's very very possible that the police overreacted in this situation. But, it's also possible that some of these innocent "club" members may be watching too much television.

Personally, I don't walk around in Bloods or crips colors when I'm in the city nor would I ever ride my motorcycle with a Pagans or Warlocks support patch on my jacket. And, I retired my Italy jacket back in the 1990s.

You hang around with shit long enough, you start to smell like it.

Personally, the writer is slanted towards law enforcement here. Otherwise they wouldn't bring up who was who and who they were affiliated with.

But the bottom line that everyone can agree on is that the Cossacks crashed the party. Yea they might have been set up by the Bandido's, but that is almost impossible to know. Of course they will tell everyone they were invited, otherwise they will look dumb. And if it was a meeting, more than 16 Bandido's would have showed up.

enter the aclu

http://radiolegendary.com/2015/06/aclu-overzealous-waco-police-holding-many-bikers-without-charges/

I told you guys it was the cops who murdered and wounded most of the bikers. Here's a firsthand account from someone who was not part of the biker meeting. He arrived as a passenger in a pickup truck just as the fight broke out. The cops arrested him, put him in jail for three weeks on $1 million bail. He should sue the shit out of the cops, prosecutor, and judge.

http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/local/tex...tness/71090750/

Another thing - three weeks and no surveillance videos released yet. No autopsies released on whose bullets killed and wounded all those people.

From what I've read, the first one or two people were shot by a Bandido. After that, the other 25 people were shot by the police. Nearly all of the weapons found were legal. It is legal to carry concealed handguns in Texas if you're not a convicted felon. Nearly everyone arrested had no criminal records. Most of them were part of weekend motorcycle clubs, not the 1% groups. Some of those arrested were just regular diners who didn't even come on a motorcycle and weren't there for the meeting. Several women were arrested and held on $1 million bond and are still in jail. The lawyers are circling and there will be a massive class action lawsuit. The Waco judge and DA office are now offering to reduce bail if they sign a waiver not to sue the county. The longer this goes on, the more money it will cost the taxpayers

That's not surprising.

And the City of waco doubles down again, I suppose they have fucked it up so bad that they are well beyond the point of no return...use your own judgement...

http://www.wacotrib.com/news/twin_peaks_...5480b6efa0.html

Went to a Twin Peaks in Phoenix... every girl was at least between a 6 to an 8... just saying...

Yesterday at a bond reduction hearing the local Cossacks president testified that before Twin Peaks waco pd had asked him to meet w/the Bandidos and smooth things out over some of the problems they'd been having. He was then released on lowered bond.

So the local pd asks them to meet. Then undercovers/paid informants in the Cossacks get about 50-60 together to do just that. 50-60 represents about 1/10th total Cossacks membership. The 50-60 went (against club instructions) because they were spurred on by undercover police/paid informants inside the Cossacks.

Then the cops shoot a whole bunch of people.

You got it.

Also on the girls comment, Hooters always has better women but I honestly don't care. I just go for the wings. Twin Peaks has always been a Hooters knock off, and after Hooters was sold out from the original family, the son of the original owner of Hooters left Hooters to start TP or at least work for them I forget. I wasn't impressed with their food at all.

http://m.nydailynews.com/news/national/w...ticle-1.2257066

@dixie and alice; bikers still all innocent and cops the bad guys?

We all know the cops would never lie to cover up murders. That's why they refuse to release the videos and autopsies. That's why they rounded up dozens of innocent people and are still holding them three weeks later on $1 million bail even though they have the videos and should know who was involved by now. Cops never lie and can never do anything wrong. All 177 arrested should get life in prison because they were at or passing by the restaurant.

So whats released is a lie and what you know is evidence?

Is that correct?

Im just wondering when I should believe what is released or what perspective I should take so I can accept or discount the federal line according to said perspective.

Well, this is about version 7 from waco pd so far. You can stick with this version if you want, but in 3 weeks when waco pd is on version 10 of what happened will you still put faith in version 7?

The wording in that newest release is where the truth is, it's in what they don't say.

Also, the motorcycle blogs have been blowing this story up from day 1 and are more on top of it than any news media. That big fat cop w/cowboy hat is form B. of Land Management, haven't heard that reported have ya?

My opinion remains the same as it has from day 1; a couple bad motorscooters did some bad motorscooter stuff (spurred on by police), and then the government opened fire. In order to cover up their massive fuck up they arrested everyone in sight and violated their civil rights.

The civil rights violations are still going on. Yes, I give a fuck. I could have been one of those people who showed up afterwards for the meeting and was arrested for a fucking wallet chain. And even with a reduced bond I would still be sitting. My life would be ruined, job gone, all my property gone, and a gang charge in relation to capital murder. All for going to a meeting about motorcyclist rights.

Glad to see you're ignoring everything though. Hopefully you'll still be on the sideline playing cheerleader when they come for a group you are a part of.

Riiiight.

So your argument is we should go with the 'objective' motorcycle blogs over the 'news media' for the truth.

Have you ever heard the term 'vested interest'?

Cause I think in the dictionary they have a picture of it.

Its of a moter cycle blogger, blogging about waco

And spare me the big bad government come to steal me rights speech. Because normal people are sick of it.

Hate to be harsh but the online rants for the last two weeks get a bit much, you know?

Wait a minute, since when is the news media considered "the truth"? If you believe that bullshit then I feel for you.

As for your first comment, you'll see when most of the bikers are released and never convicted of anything. I still hold true to my statement that AT LEAST 90% of those arrested are never hit with anything.

Well the news is considered more the truth when compared to a MC blogger. See, it's about context. Do I love Fox News? No. But compared to the Georgian KKK Newswire for example, sure.


Dixie, you're a GREAT poster. I mean that. But 1% are fucked. And they're bikers. Now you're a biker, but you're not a 1%, so you're not. That's all.

People in society don't have an issue with people riding bikes.

People in society have issues with criminal gangs on bikes.
Hell, my cousins one of them.

That's all.

So when they cops didn't kill everybody. Maybe the cops didn't kill everybody. Considering we're dealing with 1%'s not Ma n pa recreational a here.

And I do respect you as a poster.

Oh, and GO JAYS! ELEVEN IN A ROW BITCHES!!!!

I agree with you Dixie, for the simple reason it takes months or years for the truth to come out.

and when the truth comes out about this, the true version will be entirely different from the original version.

Waco has a history, maybe you are to young to remember the siege at Waco with david koreshs church, the cops said they were fired on, the video showed different,

the cops said the people inside the compound started the fire that killed women and children, the video, and senate testimony proved it was a lie.

the media are spokesman for the cops, after a while the truth will come out, and the media will be the liars, as usual.

It's not all tin hats out there binnie.

Sometimes one percent bikers get shot by the cops, because they did something to deserve it. Not because they were on their annual teddy bear run to the children's hospital ward....

Maybe?

How many mc blogs do you follow?

How many mc blogs have you followed from beginning to end on outrageous cases like waco?

Are you aware of the fact that mc blogs are the only media that cover mc cases from beginning to end?

Have you even been following this case?

So the argument is I should follow mc blogs in a mc criminal case?

Should I follow a frank Cali blog the next time big Dom gets a pinch?

Cause you know, he'll follow it to the end n all.

Let us know when you're done showin' your ass...

I get what Sonny is saying though, mainstream media isn't always reliable, and that includes all the stations. But neither is choosing the side, because a MC blog, most likely ran by MC members, post articles of police abuse, and wrongful deaths. Because believe it or not, opinions can sometimes be biased, and I highly doubt the MC blogs that you guys are speaking of, that the majority of them have a neutral opinion as to what happened here.

People keep saying Waco, and bringing up the Davidian fiasco. But those people believed in an religion and a certain way of life, and had their own property, which they very rarely ventured out of, because they knew they couldn't enforce their views on the entirety of the world. The bottomline is, that situation didn't have to happen. It shouldn't of happened. Neither should the Twin Peaks shootings had happened, but lets not compare the two. ALOT of those guys are hardcore criminals down to the bone.

Be great if you actually followed an mc blog and learned wtf you are talking about.

I'm taking the word of people not involved with the bikers or police. You are taking the word of the police and you claim they have no vested interest even though they may have killed up to 9 people and are now facing dozens of lawsuits.

I'm just wondering when they will release any hard evidence instead of press releases blaming hundreds of innocent people. Forst they tell us the 177 arrested are such a threat to the public that they have $1 million bail, which is usually reserved for mafia bosses, serial killers, and drug kingpins. Now they are agreeing to reduce bail for anyone who agrees not to sue them. Are these people all dangerous killers or not?

You're clueless. More than half of the people involved didn't belong to the any outlaw MC. they are weekend riders. Dozens of people were not even there for the meeting. They were just having lunch and weren't even riding motorcycles. They ended up with $1 million bail and staying in jail for three weeks and lost their jobs.