That said I hate Giuliani.

You're right about everything there. Thank you brother.

Alfa thinks Carl Gambino was an informant

All credibility went out the window when he said that.

Pizza, it's nothing personal. Easy big guy! I'm only giving my take on Murder Machine. It's just like with any book....everyone pulls away from it with something different. For Yours Truly, Murder Machine was anticlimactic. I fully expected Walter Mack to do a sweep and clean up New York City....by the way the book read and progressed. But as a resident of New York City I knew something went wrong and had to read to the end of the book to find out what it was. And that something, was Ghouliani.

You're right. I'm busted. I'm no street guy. Never was. Only use a classic mafia boss as my avatar. But I can read. And what I read implied to me that Giuliani created the Commission case in the sense that he re-directed indictments to very top of the mafia. But he did not do the legwork, the detective work, or put in the hours building the RICO evidence. He didn't even appear in the book until relatively later as you turned the pages. Before him, every wise guy in New York City was in jeopardy. Walter Mack and the rest of them had a squad for every mafia family, and these squads were run like mafia families themselves. I continue to be mesmerized by the recount of history in Murder Machine.

Nothing against you. I certainly am not happy people went to jail. It's a double loss, or quadruple. It's bad for their victims, bad for the victims' families, bad for them, and bad for their families. No one's gloating.

I do believe Carlo Gambino was an informant in the sense of being some kind of high level drug trafficker with probably ties to the intelligence community of the United States. You are never connected to that degree to the G without the G using you for information in some way. He had to report in or give account to his handler(s).

And that's why I went out of my way to PRAISE Alfa here:


I have nothing but respect for the great researchers here, and I'm CONSTANTLY sticking up for them when the "neighborhood guys" start ganging up on them. From Ivy to Hairy to Sonny to Alfa to every other great researcher who adds so much to these boards. I always have your backs when, insert name, "_______ from Brooklyn," tells you that you have no business on these boards.

I LOATHE wannabes. But there ARE a few things that you'll NEVER understand about the life if you didn't grow up around it. Mainly the things that drive these assholes into the life to begin with. If you're really interested in the sociological aspect of it, you can learn a thing or two from a guy who grew up with, but at least tried to keep his distance from, the local wiseguys.

And a lot of you boys are quite liberal. I'd think that the sociological part of what drove them to crime might me of interest to you. Christ, I could write a book. But I won't .

And I apologize, Alfa. You touched a nerve with Giuliani and someone close to me, but you couldn't have known. So I truly am sorry.

I guarantee you could write a really good fucking book.

(But obviously I know you won't)

Both my grandfathers and all of their brothers would come back to haunt me for the rest of my life. It would be on par with the "Scary Movie." But with White guys (well, Olive Skinned, to be more precise).

Lol

Thanks for the props and respect Pizza, Sincerely. I Thank You.

What a mong you are, stop living in fantasy land.

Out NY I bet on the Detroit Family, because was more like a ndrine that a sicilian family,everybody was blood related and like the ndrangheta if you flip you go against your real family,that is because only one made man Nove Tocco flipped and only for sell drugs.

There are 40-50 made men and stay in the shadows and think only to make money with the mafia bread and butter: loanshark,shylock ecc has a ties with sicily with the D'Anna brothers.

So I bet on the partnership and that the future boss surname wil be tocco,giaccalone or d'anna.

Let me tell you something there Peetz. The feds are infallible and always right, so if I don't see or hear\ an official FBI spokesperson it simply cannot be true. Same goes for made guys...if they are not listed on an fbi chart it simply cannot be true

There are not 40 or 50 active made guys on the street. Rather a total number including those retired/ semi retired and in prison.

The top guys are all legitimate millionaires many times over. Chicago Tony sold his insurance business for 50 million recently.

They still have some loose political ties as well as a good working relationship with the biker gangs and black drug gangs. I think like 90 percent of the family are all blood related somehow. Very interesting family

Source? And please cite for all three examples. Cheers.


My two cents for best prep for 5-10years. No change on the ladder ie Gen #1, Gamb #2, Lukes #3 but in terms of who fares the best in relation to how they stand now, the Lukes.

The WS and Gamb will take the vast majority of LE heat, focus and resultant damage.
Coupled that they're both twice the size also gives twice the chance for rats etc.
And all other factors are the same. All three still have Unions and institutionalized rackets, all have had a good run and enjoy good, stable leadership.
The diff being the Lukes cold fly under the radar with LE and being smaller, less likely to suffer rats.
So whilst I dont see the power order changing, it could well narrow.

I give up .

FUCK man I had a nice long reply for you almost done and I x'd it out. I will get back to you later as I am heading to the driving range

You know I had to bust your balls on this fine Saturday afternoon, while you are what....2 or 3 ketel one's deep??

All good. Enjoy.

pb my old man built Chelsea's on baxter. I don't know the exact year, im guessing in the 70s, did you ever go there?

No. My uncle owned the building directly opposite the back entrance of Most Precious Blood Church. The front is on Mulberry, the rear is on Baxter. It's just north of Canal. My biggest real estate regret is not buying that building from him.

He would have practically given it to me, and that's EXACTLY why I didn't buy it. But had I known that Little Italy would eventually become part of SoHo, with $2,500 studios, I woud have put familial pride aside .

Proving you right? What an ego maniac you are, just guessing people are informants with no substance to you're argument.

Now piss off.

Even was only 20-30 men on the streets,are are blood related but important stay in the shadow,old men talk with the politics while the youngs talk with the black and the bikers.
The Detroit family was the most similar to a ndrangheta family or ndrina.
So I bet on it.

It will def always be interesting to c where the Philly Family is in the next 5 to ten.. With the Scarfo old guard and The Merlino Loyalist.. Joey better becareful!

being as a ndrina it doesn't mean always to be successfull, because when you induct only relatives you risk to not have a larger recruitment pool

Im still curios Furio as to ANY 'black gang/biker/politcal' connections Detroit has.

At BEST there are a few (prob only within community) booking and shy guys.

This drug connection/political/biker bullshit is just that.


Its a Harry potter film.

"Harry Potter and the Cauldron of Espresso."

J.K. Rowling and Nick Pileggi get together on the script. Marty directs. Win-Win.

And it mas mine and Sonny's idea, so I'm getting an intellectual property lawyer. Just in case anyone gets any funny ideas.

Sorry PB, its now public domain, so im stealing the idea. Im thinking michael imperioli with a top hat and glasses, would be a good Harry.

To quote Renee Zellweger; You had me at cauldron of espresso"

Call parcels, give this guy a tryout.

You do make me smile PB.