GangsterBB.NET


Funko Pop! Movies:
The Godfather 50th Anniversary Collectors Set -
3 Figure Set: Michael, Vito, Sonny

Who's Online Now
2 registered members (TheKillingJoke, The_Marble_Guy), 201 guests, and 8 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Shout Box
Site Links
>Help Page
>More Smilies
>GBB on Facebook
>Job Saver

>Godfather Website
>Scarface Website
>Mario Puzo Website
NEW!
Active Member Birthdays
No birthdays today
Newest Members
TheGhost, Pumpkin, RussianCriminalWorld, JohnnyTheBat, Havana
10349 Registered Users
Top Posters(All Time)
Irishman12 67,698
DE NIRO 44,945
J Geoff 31,285
Hollander 24,225
pizzaboy 23,296
SC 22,902
Turnbull 19,520
Mignon 19,066
Don Cardi 18,238
Sicilian Babe 17,300
plawrence 15,058
Forum Statistics
Forums21
Topics42,393
Posts1,060,088
Members10,349
Most Online796
Jan 21st, 2020
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 2 of 3 1 2 3
Re: State of the KC family [Re: joey_dice] #846256
06/15/15 08:30 AM
06/15/15 08:30 AM
Joined: Dec 2014
Posts: 107
M
mike89 Offline
Made Member
mike89  Offline
M
Made Member
Joined: Dec 2014
Posts: 107
Here's one for you Dice.....when did they abandon the traditional structure etc was it mid 2000's or something like that?

Last edited by mike89; 06/15/15 08:31 AM.
Re: State of the KC family [Re: joey_dice] #846260
06/15/15 10:28 AM
06/15/15 10:28 AM
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 289
J
joey_dice Offline OP
joey_dice
joey_dice  Offline OP
joey_dice
J
Capo
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 289
With the death of the old guard beginning with Tony Civella in 2006 and then Tuffy Deluna. From that point on it has really been operating with the two guys at the top and the rest of the remaining people operating in cliques. As I have said, I don't really know for sure if there is any kicking up to the top two guys, but I have been told there is not.

Re: State of the KC family [Re: joey_dice] #846261
06/15/15 10:50 AM
06/15/15 10:50 AM
Joined: Dec 2014
Posts: 107
M
mike89 Offline
Made Member
mike89  Offline
M
Made Member
Joined: Dec 2014
Posts: 107
The oracle of KC strikes again

Re: State of the KC family [Re: joey_dice] #846911
06/19/15 07:18 AM
06/19/15 07:18 AM
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 7,248
naples,italy
furio_from_naples Offline
furio_from_naples  Offline

Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 7,248
naples,italy
Imprisoned Members

Joseph Porrello Fort Worth FCI Release Date: 02/15/2025
John Calia Butner Low FCIRelease Date: 09/11/2020
Vincent Pisciotta Bastrop FCI Release Date: 03/31/2030
John Mandacina Greenville FCI Release Date: LIFE

Re: State of the KC family [Re: furio_from_naples] #846997
06/19/15 08:15 PM
06/19/15 08:15 PM
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 289
J
joey_dice Offline OP
joey_dice
joey_dice  Offline OP
joey_dice
J
Capo
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 289
Originally Posted By: furio_from_naples
Imprisoned Members

Joseph Porrello Fort Worth FCI Release Date: 02/15/2025
John Calia Butner Low FCIRelease Date: 09/11/2020
Vincent Pisciotta Bastrop FCI Release Date: 03/31/2030
John Mandacina Greenville FCI Release Date: LIFE


You forgot Angelo Porrello

Re: State of the KC family [Re: joey_dice] #847063
06/20/15 06:14 AM
06/20/15 06:14 AM
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 7,248
naples,italy
furio_from_naples Offline
furio_from_naples  Offline

Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 7,248
naples,italy
Sorry

ANGELO PORRELLO
Register Number: 01633-045
Age: 91
Race: White
Sex: Male
Located at: Fort Worth FCI
Release Date: 12/15/2022

Re: State of the KC family [Re: joey_dice] #847065
06/20/15 06:34 AM
06/20/15 06:34 AM
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 7,248
naples,italy
furio_from_naples Offline
furio_from_naples  Offline

Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 7,248
naples,italy
This is a 2008 chart

Boss: Joseph Sciortino
UnderBoss: Peter Simone
(Kansas City has never had the rank of Consigliere)

Current or recent Capains include William Cammisano Jr., Vince Civella, Angelo Porrello, James Duardi.

Soldiers/Associates -

1. Peter Tamburello
2. Jack Lascuola
3. Joseph Porrello
4. Nick DiGirlamo
5. Anthony "Tony" Simone
6. Philip "Phil" Simone
7. George Chiavola
8. Joseph "Joe" Ragusa
9. James Moretina
10. John Calia/61
11. Salvatore "Sal" Mandacina died in 2012
12. Joseph "Joe" Mandacina
13. John Cuezze
14. Peter Ribaste
15. John Costanza
16. Carlo Cavallaro
17. Frank Tousa
18. Vince Picone died in 2007
19. Eugene "Gene" Picone
20. Frank Deluna
21. Benjamin "Ben" Palmentere
22. Robert Gulotta
23. Joseph Barletta
24. Nathan "Nat" Brancato
25. Thomas Fontanello
26. Phillip Saladino
27. Nicholas LaBruzzo
28. Richard "Rick" DeLuna
29. John Termini
30. John Glorioso
31. Salvatore Agrusa
32. Pasquale Sellaro
33. Samuel Scardino

4 capos 33 made men


http://mafiamembershipcharts.blogspot.it/search/label/Kansas%20City



Civella-Vincent b.1957 capo
Moretina-James b.1950 capo


Agrusa-Salvatore b.193?- Sol
Barletta-Joseph 1961- Sol
Brancato-Nathan Nat 1966 Sol
Calia-John 1945- Sol
Cammisano-Jerry 1953 Sol
Cavallaro-Carlo 1944- Sol
Chiavola-Anthony Snr. 1948- Sol
Chiavola-George 1939- Sol
Civella-Vincent 1957 Capo
Cuezze-John 1961- Sol
DeLuna-Frank 1940- Sol
DeLuna-Richard Rick 1942- Sol
DiCapo-James* 1952- Sol
Glorioso-John 1941- Sol
Lascoula-Jack 1940- Sol
Lombardo-Michael* 2000- Sol
Mandacina-Joseph 1943 Sol
Moretina-James 1950 Capo
Palmentere-Benjamin 1949- Sol
Picone-Eugene 2000- Sol
Picone-Marc Anthony 2000- Sol
Pisciotta-Vincent 1954- Sol
Ragusa-Joseph 1940- Sol
Ribaste-Louis* 1946- Sol
Salardino-Phillip Sol
Sansone-Anthony* 1942- Sol
Sansone-Michael* 1960*- 2000- Sol
Scardino-Samuel 1966- Sol
Sciortino-Sam* 1942*- Sol
Scola-Dominic Sol
Simone-Anthony 1950- Sol
Simone-Phillip 1972- Sol
Termini-John 1939- Sol

2 capos 33 made men

Re: State of the KC family [Re: joey_dice] #847070
06/20/15 08:35 AM
06/20/15 08:35 AM
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 2,467
M
m2w Offline
Underboss
m2w  Offline
M
Underboss
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 2,467
they have currently 33 made members? if so it is a viable family

Re: State of the KC family [Re: joey_dice] #847089
06/20/15 01:22 PM
06/20/15 01:22 PM
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 7,248
naples,italy
furio_from_naples Offline
furio_from_naples  Offline

Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 7,248
naples,italy
I did a comparison of the two lists, while the first is accurate but don't distinguish between made men and associates, the second is not error-free as in other lists of the same site there were many errors.

We can say that the Kansas City family, making a comparison between the two lists have two captains and 22 ade men to which most in old age, so say if a family is still viable is controversial, maybe someone with moreexperience maybe Ivy can answer.

But a 20 + made men crime family for a 400.000 city can be a viable family.

Re: State of the KC family [Re: furio_from_naples] #847111
06/20/15 03:46 PM
06/20/15 03:46 PM
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 289
J
joey_dice Offline OP
joey_dice
joey_dice  Offline OP
joey_dice
J
Capo
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 289
Originally Posted By: furio_from_naples
This is a 2008 chart

Boss: Joseph Sciortino
UnderBoss: Peter Simone
(Kansas City has never had the rank of Consigliere)

Current or recent Capains include William Cammisano Jr., Vince Civella, Angelo Porrello,prison James Duardi.dead

Soldiers/Associates -

1. Peter Tamburello dead
2. Jack Lascuoladead
3. Joseph Porrello prison
4. Nick DiGirlamo asscociate
5. Anthony "Tony" Simone made
6. Philip "Phil" Simone dead
7. George Chiavola dead
8. Joseph "Joe" Ragusa retired
9. James Moretina
10. John Calia/61 prison
11. Salvatore "Sal" Mandacina died in 2012 dead
12. Joseph "Joe" Mandacina associate
13. John Cuezze associate
14. Peter Ribaste
15. John Costanza dead
16. Carlo Cavallaro dead
17. Frank Tousa dead
18. Vince Picone died in 2007 dead
19. Eugene "Gene" Picone retired associate
20. Frank Deluna associate
21. Benjamin "Ben" Palmentere
22. Robert Gulotta
23. Joseph Barletta associate
24. Nathan "Nat" Brancato
25. Thomas Fontanello dead since 84
26. Phillip Saladino
27. Nicholas LaBruzzo
28. Richard "Rick" DeLuna dead
29. John Termini
30. John Glorioso
31. Salvatore Agrusa dead
32. Pasquale Sellaro dead
33. Samuel Scardino dead

4 capos 33 made men


http://mafiamembershipcharts.blogspot.it/search/label/Kansas%20City



Civella-Vincent b.1957 capo
Moretina-James b.1950 capo


Agrusa-Salvatore b.193?- dead
Barletta-Joseph 1961- associate
Brancato-Nathan Nat status unclear
Calia-John 1945- prison
Cammisano-Jerry 1953 Sol
Cavallaro-Carlo 1944- dead
Chiavola-Anthony Snr. 1948- dead
Chiavola-George 1939- dead
Civella-Vincent 1957 Capo
Cuezze-John 1961- associate
DeLuna-Frank 1940- retured associate
DeLuna-Richard Rick 1942- dead
DiCapo-James* 1952- associate
Glorioso-John 1941- status unclear
Lascoula-Jack 1940- dead
Lombardo-Michael* associate
Mandacina-Joseph associate
Moretina-James 1950
Palmentere-Benjamin 1949- Sol
Picone-Eugene 2000- retired associate
Picone-Marc Anthony associate
Pisciotta-Vincent 1954- Sol
Ragusa-Joseph 1940- Sol
Ribaste-Louis* 1946- dead
Salardino-Phillip retired associate
Sansone-Anthony* 1942- associate
Sansone-Michael* 1960*- dead
Scardino-Samuel 1966- Sol dead
Sciortino-Sam* 1942*- Sol associate
Scola-Dominic associate
Simone-Anthony 1950- Sol
Simone-Phillip 1972- dead
Termini-John 1939- associate

2 capos 33 made men


There I corrected your list. The list I started this thread is accurate believe it or not that's uo to you, but I know how wiseguys feels lol.

Re: State of the KC family [Re: furio_from_naples] #847112
06/20/15 03:48 PM
06/20/15 03:48 PM
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 289
J
joey_dice Offline OP
joey_dice
joey_dice  Offline OP
joey_dice
J
Capo
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 289
Guess you would know more than me LOL. Keep up the good work

Re: State of the KC family [Re: m2w] #847115
06/20/15 04:13 PM
06/20/15 04:13 PM
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 8,534
I
IvyLeague Offline
IvyLeague  Offline
I

Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 8,534
Originally Posted By: m2w
they have currently 33 made members? if so it is a viable family


That chart is one of the phony ones posted on the RD forum years ago. Much like the BS ones that showed 30 members for Milwukee and 20 for St Louis. Anyone who believes these numbers is either delusional or simply ignorant. St Louis has like 2 or 3 members left. Milwaukee I'm not sure has any. Cleveland has 7 or 8 tops. Kansas City we have always seen big numbers for but I don't find them believable. It's been years - decades really - that we've seen any kind of official figure by the Feds for KC. That itself says something. And they certainly no longer consider it a viable family. You can also make a relative guess by looking at other Midwest families. Chicago, for instance, is said to have around 30 members at most and is still recognized by the Feds and has had far more activity in recent years. Yet we are supposed to believe Kansas City has as many members? No way. I'd be fairly surprised if KC is over 10 at this point. People need to start looking at the evidence and stop looking at these charts (unless they are from a handful of proven posters - we know who they are) at face value.

Re: State of the KC family [Re: joey_dice] #847164
06/20/15 11:54 PM
06/20/15 11:54 PM
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 289
J
joey_dice Offline OP
joey_dice
joey_dice  Offline OP
joey_dice
J
Capo
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 289
The truth is at the top of the page, I know some of you cant accept it but the KC family is gone, all you have left are 16 made guys to include, 5 in prison, 1 nearly 97 years old and several more old and retired. That's the cold hard truth.

Re: State of the KC family [Re: IvyLeague] #847165
06/21/15 12:01 AM
06/21/15 12:01 AM
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 289
J
joey_dice Offline OP
joey_dice
joey_dice  Offline OP
joey_dice
J
Capo
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 289
Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: m2w
they have currently 33 made members? if so it is a viable family


That chart is one of the phony ones posted on the RD forum years ago. Much like the BS ones that showed 30 members for Milwukee and 20 for St Louis. Anyone who believes these numbers is either delusional or simply ignorant. St Louis has like 2 or 3 members left. Milwaukee I'm not sure has any. Cleveland has 7 or 8 tops. Kansas City we have always seen big numbers for but I don't find them believable. It's been years - decades really - that we've seen any kind of official figure by the Feds for KC. That itself says something. And they certainly no longer consider it a viable family. You can also make a relative guess by looking at other Midwest families. Chicago, for instance, is said to have around 30 members at most and is still recognized by the Feds and has had far more activity in recent years. Yet we are supposed to believe Kansas City has as many members? No way. I'd be fairly surprised if KC is over 10 at this point. People need to start looking at the evidence and stop looking at these charts (unless they are from a handful of proven posters - we know who they are) at face value.


I am curious to know how you came up with the number 10. It has been 10 since the day I first came on the boards and we have deaths since then, 10 seems to be a magical number which has never been substantiated. Please tell me where and how you came up with that number, tell me what number you started with before subtracting the dead and tell me how you came up with that number. Now I am in no way arguing the that KC is viable which I have stated many times it is not.

By the way the feds have NEVER released any information with the total numbers for KC, not even decades ago your talking out your ass with that one.

Last edited by joey_dice; 06/21/15 12:04 AM.
Re: State of the KC family [Re: joey_dice] #847188
06/21/15 05:43 AM
06/21/15 05:43 AM
Joined: Dec 2014
Posts: 107
M
mike89 Offline
Made Member
mike89  Offline
M
Made Member
Joined: Dec 2014
Posts: 107
Insn't that Vince Piscotta in nick for burning out a restuarant or something......dice.....you think the rat would of killed the gay kid.....seems a bit harsh.

Re: State of the KC family [Re: mike89] #847195
06/21/15 07:39 AM
06/21/15 07:39 AM
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 289
J
joey_dice Offline OP
joey_dice
joey_dice  Offline OP
joey_dice
J
Capo
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 289
Originally Posted By: mike89
Insn't that Vince Piscotta in nick for burning out a restuarant or something......dice.....you think the rat would of killed the gay kid.....seems a bit harsh.


Yeah Pisciotta (made) and Sorrentino (long time associate) are both doing time for arson. Without question he would have killed him, he was from a different time and place in society. He killed Stino for breaking up with his daughter. He most certainly would have killed Sams, my opinion of course. Cammisano was harsh, I guess you would have had to live here when he was still alive, until the day he died he was feared in this city. Of course Civella and Deluna were feared, but that feared stemmed from their positions in the family. Willie was feared personally.

Last edited by joey_dice; 06/21/15 07:42 AM.
Re: State of the KC family [Re: joey_dice] #847197
06/21/15 08:13 AM
06/21/15 08:13 AM
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 1,595
manchester uk
domwoods74 Offline
Underboss
domwoods74  Offline
Underboss
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 1,595
manchester uk
Really enjoyed this thread , thanks guys . Love reading and studying the smaller families . I also agree that if the Chicago outfit is down to 4 crews and around 35 made guys then the other mid west families r finished , in my opinion the KC mob died with the civella's

Re: State of the KC family [Re: domwoods74] #847264
06/21/15 08:55 PM
06/21/15 08:55 PM
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 289
J
joey_dice Offline OP
joey_dice
joey_dice  Offline OP
joey_dice
J
Capo
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 289
Originally Posted By: domwoods74
Really enjoyed this thread , thanks guys . Love reading and studying the smaller families . I also agree that if the Chicago outfit is down to 4 crews and around 35 made guys then the other mid west families r finished , in my opinion the KC mob died with the civella's


That's what I have been saying since the first post in this thread. I hope people disregard Furio he is still arguing that NO is still viable. However that does not change the fact that there are still 16 made men in various activities from prison, to retired, to active still around, does not make for a family though. With the number of guys in their 70's I expect that this number will take a considerable hit in the next few years. I predict that there will be as few as 8 guys left by 2020. The families decline accelerated with the death of Tony Civella in 2006 and really took a hit when Tuffy died in 2008. Johnny Joe Scritino, Pete Simone and Willie Cammisano jr. are the last of the gangster from the mold of the old school.

Re: State of the KC family [Re: joey_dice] #847313
06/22/15 06:50 AM
06/22/15 06:50 AM
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 7,248
naples,italy
furio_from_naples Offline
furio_from_naples  Offline

Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 7,248
naples,italy
Originally Posted By: joey_dice
Originally Posted By: domwoods74
Really enjoyed this thread , thanks guys . Love reading and studying the smaller families . I also agree that if the Chicago outfit is down to 4 crews and around 35 made guys then the other mid west families r finished , in my opinion the KC mob died with the civella's


That's what I have been saying since the first post in this thread. I hope people disregard Furio he is still arguing that NO is still viable. However that does not change the fact that there are still 16 made men in various activities from prison, to retired, to active still around, does not make for a family though. With the number of guys in their 70's I expect that this number will take a considerable hit in the next few years. I predict that there will be as few as 8 guys left by 2020. The families decline accelerated with the death of Tony Civella in 2006 and really took a hit when Tuffy died in 2008. Johnny Joe Scritino, Pete Simone and Willie Cammisano jr. are the last of the gangster from the mold of the old school.



Joey says, if I'm wrong and you show me where I went wrong I admit my mistake.

If I counted correctly are 13 men of honor on the streets and 12 associated on the streets; yes isn't a viable family and you're right and many of this people will die today from the 2020,but the family don't opened the books after the 2000 or there are a freeze on the new inductions ?

Re: State of the KC family [Re: joey_dice] #847314
06/22/15 07:19 AM
06/22/15 07:19 AM
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 697
Great Britain
British Offline
Underboss
British  Offline
Underboss
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 697
Great Britain
So there is no chance they can make new members?


British is best....
Re: State of the KC family [Re: joey_dice] #847321
06/22/15 09:32 AM
06/22/15 09:32 AM
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 7,248
naples,italy
furio_from_naples Offline
furio_from_naples  Offline

Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 7,248
naples,italy
The Kansas City's Little Italy name is Columbus Park and for me it's strange that don't find thugs with italian surname to fill the ranks,when happened the last induction ceremony ?

Re: State of the KC family [Re: British] #847322
06/22/15 09:43 AM
06/22/15 09:43 AM
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 289
J
joey_dice Offline OP
joey_dice
joey_dice  Offline OP
joey_dice
J
Capo
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 289
I have not heard of anyone being made since 1992 and that was only a rumor. Cammisano Sr. made some guys in 1987. A mafia family is a means to an end. The family's purpose was to generate income for its memebers and they did very well here in KC. All of the family names from the family history here in KC have more money than can be used up by the next 5 generations. Most took their illegal money and put it into legitimate businesses which make millions in legal money, the younger generations no longer need crime to make it rich. The Civells family's will never have to work, same with the Cammisano's, Simone's and Moretina's. The Pamentare family went into food distribution and have the Red Bull distribution in the Midwest, there making millions, why do they need the life. The Labruzzos, Bonadonnas, Scola's make millions a year with their liquor stores and vending businesses. The Mandacina's have their strip clubs and pawnshops. This is all legit money that doesn't send you to prison unless you don't pay your taxes.

Re: State of the KC family [Re: furio_from_naples] #847323
06/22/15 09:47 AM
06/22/15 09:47 AM
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 289
J
joey_dice Offline OP
joey_dice
joey_dice  Offline OP
joey_dice
J
Capo
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 289
Originally Posted By: furio_from_naples
The Kansas City's Little Italy name is Columbus Park and for me it's strange that don't find thugs with italian surname to fill the ranks,when happened the last induction ceremony ?


Furio wherever your getting your info is so out of date its not even funny. Columbus Park used to be Little Italy but that area has not been Italian for over 15 years. The area is now inhabited by Asians and yuppy white's. In this area the only Italian businesses you will find are Garrozo's restaurant, the Caddy Shack Bar and the Don Bosco center for old people. The mob moved north to Clay county which is north of the Missouri river in an area known as Gladstone. That is where the Italians have moved to.

Re: State of the KC family [Re: joey_dice] #847324
06/22/15 10:40 AM
06/22/15 10:40 AM
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 7,248
naples,italy
furio_from_naples Offline
furio_from_naples  Offline

Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 7,248
naples,italy
Originally Posted By: joey_dice
Originally Posted By: furio_from_naples
The Kansas City's Little Italy name is Columbus Park and for me it's strange that don't find thugs with italian surname to fill the ranks,when happened the last induction ceremony ?


Furio wherever your getting your info is so out of date its not even funny. Columbus Park used to be Little Italy but that area has not been Italian for over 15 years. The area is now inhabited by Asians and yuppy white's. In this area the only Italian businesses you will find are Garrozo's restaurant, the Caddy Shack Bar and the Don Bosco center for old people. The mob moved north to Clay county which is north of the Missouri river in an area known as Gladstone. That is where the Italians have moved to.


Stay Calm joey I made the misteake searching the KC little italy on wikipedia.Whathever I are right why do the life if you can made the same milions honestly ?

So KC family is definely done next the 5 y.

Re: State of the KC family [Re: joey_dice] #847325
06/22/15 10:47 AM
06/22/15 10:47 AM
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 7,248
naples,italy
furio_from_naples Offline
furio_from_naples  Offline

Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 7,248
naples,italy
what do you think of st louis and milwaukee ?

and about this site ?

http://mafiamembershipcharts.blogspot.it

Last edited by furio_from_naples; 06/22/15 10:47 AM.
Re: State of the KC family [Re: joey_dice] #847339
06/22/15 01:43 PM
06/22/15 01:43 PM
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 2,213
C
cookcounty Offline
Underboss
cookcounty  Offline
C
Underboss
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 2,213
kansas city always had a small family

so if their members didn't recruit then they might be on the endagered species list

Re: State of the KC family [Re: joey_dice] #847354
06/22/15 03:57 PM
06/22/15 03:57 PM
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 8,534
I
IvyLeague Offline
IvyLeague  Offline
I

Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 8,534
Originally Posted By: joey_dice
I am curious to know how you came up with the number 10. It has been 10 since the day I first came on the boards and we have deaths since then, 10 seems to be a magical number which has never been substantiated. Please tell me where and how you came up with that number, tell me what number you started with before subtracting the dead and tell me how you came up with that number. Now I am in no way arguing the that KC is viable which I have stated many times it is not.

By the way the feds have NEVER released any information with the total numbers for KC, not even decades ago your talking out your ass with that one.


As far as I can recall, I've never stated a specific number for Kansas City because there isn't one. Though I don't believe the feds "never" gave an estimate at some point down through the years. Just that there hasn't been any estimates given, nor has Kansas City been on any official list of remaining families, in at least the last 15-20. In fact, it may be back as far as the 1988 "25 Years After Valachi" report where we saw it on any kind of official list.

Now is it completely out of the realm of possibility that KC still has 16 living members? No. It just strikes me as rather unlikely. As stated before, I count something like 24 members/possible members who have died since 2000. Now, for the sake of argument, suppose only half of those were actually made. Add the 16 you are saying are still alive and that's nearly 30 members still living in 2000. 40 if we count all two dozen names on that list of dead since 2000. Does 30-40 KC members still living in 2000 strike you as believable? Heck, even the AmericanMafia article on KC, which has been around since about that time, didn't cite that many members.

As I've also said, look at other families in the Midwest. St. Louis has 2 or 3. Milwaukee would likely be no more than that, if any at all. Cleveland something like 7 or 8. Chicago - the biggest and most active Midwest family - at 30 tops. But Kansas City - which has shown very little activity in recent years - still has 16 members?

Or look at Buffalo. I think few would try to argue that Kansas City has more members left than Buffalo, considering the latter is in the Northeast. The FBI had 23 remaining members in Buffalo in 2006. Now the family has had at least 11 members/possible members die since then which would put them at a dozen or so. Yet KC has more?


Mods should mind their own business and leave poster's profile signatures alone.
Re: State of the KC family [Re: IvyLeague] #847365
06/22/15 04:29 PM
06/22/15 04:29 PM
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 289
J
joey_dice Offline OP
joey_dice
joey_dice  Offline OP
joey_dice
J
Capo
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 289
Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: joey_dice
I am curious to know how you came up with the number 10. It has been 10 since the day I first came on the boards and we have deaths since then, 10 seems to be a magical number which has never been substantiated. Please tell me where and how you came up with that number, tell me what number you started with before subtracting the dead and tell me how you came up with that number. Now I am in no way arguing the that KC is viable which I have stated many times it is not.

By the way the feds have NEVER released any information with the total numbers for KC, not even decades ago your talking out your ass with that one.


As far as I can recall, I've never stated a specific number for Kansas City because there isn't one. Though I don't believe the feds "never" gave an estimate at some point down through the years. Just that there hasn't been any estimates given, nor has Kansas City been on any official list of remaining families, in at least the last 15-20. In fact, it may be back as far as the 1988 "25 Years After Valachi" report where we saw it on any kind of official list.

Now is it completely out of the realm of possibility that KC still has 16 living members? No. It just strikes me as rather unlikely. As stated before, I count something like 24 members/possible members who have died since 2000. Now, for the sake of argument, suppose only half of those were actually made. Add the 16 you are saying are still alive and that's nearly 30 members still living in 2000. 40 if we count all two dozen names on that list of dead since 2000. Does 30-40 KC members still living in 2000 strike you as believable? Heck, even the AmericanMafia article on KC, which has been around since about that time, didn't cite that many members.

As I've also said, look at other families in the Midwest. St. Louis has 2 or 3. Milwaukee would likely be no more than that, if any at all. Cleveland something like 7 or 8. Chicago - the biggest and most active Midwest family - at 30 tops. But Kansas City - which has shown very little activity in recent years - still has 16 members?

Or look at Buffalo. I think few would try to argue that Kansas City has more members left than Buffalo, considering the latter is in the Northeast. The FBI had 23 remaining members in Buffalo in 2006. Now the family has had at least 11 members/possible members die since then which would put them at a dozen or so. Yet KC has more?


Rather than argue with you I am going to say we can agree to disagree. I have stated there are 16 made members left +/- 2. You say there are 2. The others can decide for themselves because I have neither the time or inclination to go through trial testimony and list the names nor do I have FBI certified proof of what I have been told by friends and family members. I do agree that these charts are mostly bullshit and people need to stop looking at them, but I am not one of those people looking at the charts.

Last edited by joey_dice; 06/22/15 04:31 PM.
Re: State of the KC family [Re: joey_dice] #847421
06/23/15 02:09 AM
06/23/15 02:09 AM
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 8,534
I
IvyLeague Offline
IvyLeague  Offline
I

Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 8,534
For the record, I did not say there were 2 (or any other specific number) left. Just that, looking at what evidence there is, I would be surprised if it's over 10 or so at this point. Though I will say 16 is much more feasible than these charts I've seen posted of 30+ members.


Mods should mind their own business and leave poster's profile signatures alone.
Re: State of the KC family [Re: joey_dice] #847438
06/23/15 08:13 AM
06/23/15 08:13 AM
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 697
Great Britain
British Offline
Underboss
British  Offline
Underboss
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 697
Great Britain
So there are no young thugs with an Italian background in KC who would become involved in that family?


British is best....
Page 2 of 3 1 2 3

Moderated by  Don Cardi, J Geoff, SC, Turnbull 

Powered by UBB.threads™