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Re: What if Nicodemo flipped? [Re: Blackjack2121] #840630
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Originally Posted By: Blackjack2121

We have seen most of the associates in busts already. Who are the 7 guys? Or are you saying they have not been ID'd?

I think most of them have been identified, but the only one I remember is Dominic Grande.


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Originally Posted By: Ted
Originally Posted By: Blackjack2121

We have seen most of the associates in busts already. Who are the 7 guys? Or are you saying they have not been ID'd?

I think most of them have been identified, but the only one I remember is Dominic Grande.


Grande was made in 2011

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was micali made he was niccodcemos man in the boragat sports book thing

Re: What if Nicodemo flipped? [Re: Blackjack2121] #840709
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Originally Posted By: Blackjack2121
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We have seen most of the associates in busts already. Who are the 7 guys? Or are you saying they have not been ID'd?

I think most of them have been identified, but the only one I remember is Dominic Grande.


Grande was made in 2011

Ligambi said this in May 2010.


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Originally Posted By: Ted
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We have seen most of the associates in busts already. Who are the 7 guys? Or are you saying they have not been ID'd?

I think most of them have been identified, but the only one I remember is Dominic Grande.


Grande was made in 2011

Ligambi said this in May 2010.


Oh, got the year wrong.

Anyway just pointing out that he is not an associate.

Re: What if Nicodemo flipped? [Re: Blackjack2121] #840713
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I screwed up the years/details, actually. They were talking about a making ceremony that happened 3 years prior. Don't ever listen to me.

"What follows is a partial transcript from that meeting, with Licata reminiscing about the 2007 “making” ceremony at which Fazzini and others were formally inducted into the Philadelphia crime family, refered to in the document as “LCN” (La Cosa Nostra).

Licata notes that Fazzini and Eric Esposito, a co-defendant in the racketeering case, were made at the same ceremony conducted by Ligambi. He states that Anthony Staino, another codefendant, also was present, along with Michael Lancelotti. Staino and Lancelotti, referred to as “Lance,” have been described as capos or captains in the Ligambi orgnaization.

Five others, including codefendant Damion Canalichio, were inducted in an earlier ceremony, Licata says, noting that Canalichio was initiated shortly before he went to prison (the “can”) for a drug conviction.

Licata references then-jailed mob boss Joseph “Skinny Joey” Merlino, who he says had proposed three others for membership. Ligambi declined to “make” those unnamed associates, Licata says, because he didn’t know them well. He tells Licata that Merlino can make them himself when he comes home from prison.

Also below, from the detention memo, is the federal prosecutors’ analysis of the transcript.

http://articles.philly.com/2012-05-04/news/31556726_1_racketeering-case-merlino-transcript

So in 2007 Fazzini, Esposito and Canalichio were made along with 4 other unnamed guys. Plus 3 unnamed guys Merlino has not inducted yet. Is it possible Grande was one of these 3 and Ligambi eventually decided to make him in 2011?
The transcript of the conversation is also in the link.


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Re: What if Nicodemo flipped? [Re: Ted] #840725
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Originally Posted By: Ted
I screwed up the years/details, actually. They were talking about a making ceremony that happened 3 years prior. Don't ever listen to me.

"What follows is a partial transcript from that meeting, with Licata reminiscing about the 2007 “making” ceremony at which Fazzini and others were formally inducted into the Philadelphia crime family, refered to in the document as “LCN” (La Cosa Nostra).

Licata notes that Fazzini and Eric Esposito, a co-defendant in the racketeering case, were made at the same ceremony conducted by Ligambi. He states that Anthony Staino, another codefendant, also was present, along with Michael Lancelotti. Staino and Lancelotti, referred to as “Lance,” have been described as capos or captains in the Ligambi orgnaization.

Five others, including codefendant Damion Canalichio, were inducted in an earlier ceremony, Licata says, noting that Canalichio was initiated shortly before he went to prison (the “can”) for a drug conviction.

Licata references then-jailed mob boss Joseph “Skinny Joey” Merlino, who he says had proposed three others for membership. Ligambi declined to “make” those unnamed associates, Licata says, because he didn’t know them well. He tells Licata that Merlino can make them himself when he comes home from prison.

Also below, from the detention memo, is the federal prosecutors’ analysis of the transcript.

http://articles.philly.com/2012-05-04/news/31556726_1_racketeering-case-merlino-transcript

So in 2007 Fazzini, Esposito and Canalichio were made along with 4 other unnamed guys. Plus 3 unnamed guys Merlino has not inducted yet. Is it possible Grande was one of these 3 and Ligambi eventually decided to make him in 2011?
The transcript of the conversation is also in the link.


Prosecutors in his first trial (where he faced first-degree murder charges), alluded to Grande being the trigger man in the DiPietro hit. According to state police files, Grande was sponsored for membership in the Philadelphia LCN Family by Nicodemo in a late-200os induction ceremony presided over by Ligambi, recently tapped the Borgata’s consigliere upon his return from a more than two-year stay as a guest of the government in the winter of 2014.

From an article. I guess it was after Joey got out, but I don't know if he was at the ceremony or just gave his okay from Florida after he was out to have Ligambi do the ceremony.

Grande, Joseph Servidio, and cant remember the 3rd

Re: What if Nicodemo flipped? [Re: Blackjack2121] #840729
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What if the King of England got the Bruce Jennerectomy?

Would he be the Queen?


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Re: What if Nicodemo flipped? [Re: pizzaboy] #840740
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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
What if the King of England got the Bruce Jennerectomy?

Would he be the Queen?


One of the funnier things I've seen/heard today. I love the Philly chats and threads, but I'm with you on this one. I think the whole thing is a moot point, anyway. I don't see Nicodemo flipping - EVER. Maybe down the line somewhere he will prove me wrong. But for right now he has proven that he is nothing but a stand up guy who is going to take his sentence on the chin and do his time.

Not that spending 20-30 years in jail is something that regular civilians aspire to do. In "their" lifestyle though, he could come home sometime in his 60's with the utmost respect and be a major player in the administration, a la Chickie Ciancaglini now.

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Re: What if Nicodemo flipped? [Re: K1NG6] #840784
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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
What if the King of England got the Bruce Jennerectomy?

Would he be the Queen?


One of the funnier things I've seen/heard today. I love the Philly chats and threads, but I'm with you on this one. I think the whole thing is a moot point, anyway. I don't see Nicodemo flipping - EVER. Maybe down the line somewhere he will prove me wrong. But for right now he has proven that he is nothing but a stand up guy who is going to take his sentence on the chin and do his time.

Not that spending 20-30 years in jail is something that regular civilians aspire to do. In "their" lifestyle though, he could come home sometime in his 60's with the utmost respect and be a major player in the administration, a la Chickie Ciancaglini now.

Will there even be a Philly family in 30 years?


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Originally Posted By: Ted
Will there even be a Philly family in 30 years?


Maybe not. But they've survived worse things in their past than what Nicodemo could possibly do if he flipped or what would happen once the Feds possibly/eventually dismantle Merlino and his hierarchy at the top.

Whether Scarfo was a homicidal maniac or a bad boss is a different debate, but what happened during his reign and then the war that continued with Stanfa afterwards seriously crippled the family, but never decimated it.

In 30 years, people will still be gambling, buying/selling drugs, and other vices that are primary staples of the mob. Just like the rest of the remaining families today (and all organized crime in general), I'm sure they can be critically wounded but I don't know if they can ever fully be finished off.

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does anyone know if maybe one of the 3 unknown guys that joey wanted to make of one of them was allie lance?? mike lance's nephew?? im not positive hes made but im pretty sure he is.. hes a young guy like grande..south philly for sure has more younger potential members then people think.. you see a lot of young guys hanging around narducci.. then you got all the young guys who were involved in the Borgata book case..don't know if anyone of them were made besides nicodemo but either way young associates.
I still think that the depietro hit is one of the most fascinating things to happen mob wise in the 2000's.. would love to know the real truth behind it all. cause it was so fucked up I just cant accept that was really how it was planned.. especially since nicodemo has been suspected in a couple other hits that never got solved..

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Originally Posted By: dsbaloo
does anyone know if maybe one of the 3 unknown guys that joey wanted to make of one of them was allie lance?? mike lance's nephew?? im not positive hes made but im pretty sure he is.. hes a young guy like grande..south philly for sure has more younger potential members then people think.. you see a lot of young guys hanging around narducci.. then you got all the young guys who were involved in the Borgata book case..don't know if anyone of them were made besides nicodemo but either way young associates.
I still think that the depietro hit is one of the most fascinating things to happen mob wise in the 2000's.. would love to know the real truth behind it all. cause it was so fucked up I just cant accept that was really how it was planned.. especially since nicodemo has been suspected in a couple other hits that never got solved..


I think the 3rd one was known I just cant recall or find where it was stated who it was. Might have been a guy on the other board, or may have even been Scott B.

Two of them were Grande and Servidio though.

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how did everybody made on the same day get pinched n the same case

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Originally Posted By: cookcounty
how did everybody made on the same day get pinched n the same case


Unlucky ceremony.

Probably the black bird flew in the window like Christopher MOltisanti's ceremony.

lol

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Christopher Nicodemo is listed as an associate, I wonder what relation he is to Anthony.

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Originally Posted By: Blackjack2121

Prosecutors in his first trial (where he faced first-degree murder charges), alluded to Grande being the trigger man in the DiPietro hit. According to state police files, Grande was sponsored for membership in the Philadelphia LCN Family by Nicodemo in a late-200os induction ceremony presided over by Ligambi, recently tapped the Borgata’s consigliere upon his return from a more than two-year stay as a guest of the government in the winter of 2014.

From an article. I guess it was after Joey got out, but I don't know if he was at the ceremony or just gave his okay from Florida after he was out to have Ligambi do the ceremony.

Grande, Joseph Servidio, and cant remember the 3rd

Merlino wasn't in Philly in 2011 so he couldn't of made Grande. Ligambi must have changed his mind (it was 4 years since Grande was proposed for membership) and decided to do it himself.


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Wasn't Merlin there in 2011 for his fathers funeral ?


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Primo, that was in November 2012. Less than a month before the DiPietro hit.

(Not saying Joey sanctioned it or had anything to do with it as some reporters are saying.)

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Originally Posted By: merlino
was micali made he was niccodcemos man in the boragat sports book thing


I don't think so

Word is he fell back in more with the 10th and O guys

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Originally Posted By: dsbaloo
does anyone know if maybe one of the 3 unknown guys that joey wanted to make of one of them was allie lance?? mike lance's nephew?? im not positive hes made but im pretty sure he is.. hes a young guy like grande..south philly for sure has more younger potential members then people think.. you see a lot of young guys hanging around narducci.. then you got all the young guys who were involved in the Borgata book case..don't know if anyone of them were made besides nicodemo but either way young associates.
I still think that the depietro hit is one of the most fascinating things to happen mob wise in the 2000's.. would love to know the real truth behind it all. cause it was so fucked up I just cant accept that was really how it was planned.. especially since nicodemo has been suspected in a couple other hits that never got solved..


Does potential mean that they are somewhat young and Italian American? If they were smart they would make their own side money on their own. You don't need to be connected down here anymore. The smart guys are the ones who have legit jobs and do a little extra so they can live a better life. Or just work hard and do nothing on the side. A lot of these young guys you talk about as "potential" are there because of the lack of talent. They aren't some big pool of great upcoming mobsters. Its stupid if they were. They have nothing else they can do...at least some of they. A lot of it is laziness. And some like to get involved because they think they are famous in SP cause of it. Just stupid to be directly involved anymore. I know this post is all over the place. I just wanted to point out that the "potential" you talk about are not guys that are the smartest per se.

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Originally Posted By: dsbaloo
does anyone know if maybe one of the 3 unknown guys that joey wanted to make of one of them was allie lance?? mike lance's nephew?? im not positive hes made but im pretty sure he is.. hes a young guy like grande..south philly for sure has more younger potential members then people think.. you see a lot of young guys hanging around narducci.. then you got all the young guys who were involved in the Borgata book case..don't know if anyone of them were made besides nicodemo but either way young associates.
I still think that the depietro hit is one of the most fascinating things to happen mob wise in the 2000's.. would love to know the real truth behind it all. cause it was so fucked up I just cant accept that was really how it was planned.. especially since nicodemo has been suspected in a couple other hits that never got solved..


Does potential mean that they are somewhat young and Italian American? If they were smart they would make their own side money on their own. You don't need to be connected down here anymore. The smart guys are the ones who have legit jobs and do a little extra so they can live a better life. Or just work hard and do nothing on the side. A lot of these young guys you talk about as "potential" are there because of the lack of talent. They aren't some big pool of great upcoming mobsters. Its stupid if they were. They have nothing else they can do...at least some of they. A lot of it is laziness. And some like to get involved because they think they are famous in SP cause of it. Just stupid to be directly involved anymore. I know this post is all over the place. I just wanted to point out that the "potential" you talk about are not guys that are the smartest per se.


Glad you said it

I wasn't trying to go into that kind of detail, but basically my point earlier

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I by no means was trying to say that the younger hang arounds are up and comers or "rising stars".. not at all.. I was simply stating there is some young guys who hang around.. are they worth a shit? of course not.. what young kids involved these days are?? most of them are morons and aren't capable of doing anything but being someones bitch.
and youre right.. if youre smart its way better to just fly below the radar and do your own thing.. but people love being known as being associated with so and so's or whatever.. even though it does them no good / all it does is cost them $ they could be keeping themselves.

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