Came across this older Time article from 2001:

http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,155417,00.html

About 2/3 of the way down, FBI agent Ross states, "When we warned Gotti that Gigante had a contract out on him, he believed us," recalls FBI agent Ross. "This guy fears Chin."

Gigante's grand son was just elected mayor in rockland county. Some of the comments in this article are ridiculous, its like they interviewed some gossiping old grandma.

http://nypost.com/2015/04/26/mobsters-grandson-elected-mayor-of-new-york-village/

did that agent check gotti's bowl to see if he had the runs.. i'll show how afraid gotti was of the westside, he would go play cards by allie shades club with only a guy who drove him there.

These families really go downhill fast in the manliness department. But I agree the article is disgusting- getting condemned for your distant ancestors.

Well as I posted before on this thread, according to Capeci it did happen: http://articles.philly.com/1989-02-27/news/26153845_1_john-gotti-louis-gigante-genovese-crime

Nobody seemed to have info that the article later turned out to be untrue so I suppose it's accurate.

They were pretty friendly, though. Shades was his own man. Not that he didn't follow orders. If you didn't follow Vince's orders you ended up rolled up in a rug. But he was apparently never ordered to stay away from Gotti because he's one of only a few Westside guys captured on video bullshitting with Gotti outside the Ravenite.

Allie shades was a mans man you can take that to any bank of your choosing.

This is one of the stupid threads but chin was a boxer and heavy weight so was qd and steve crea so he could probably beat him up but there's that little rule you can't hit a made guy. Didn't a Colombo put his hands on Carlo and get put in cement like guy in star wars. Westside guy hit locascio kid and his son got hit pizza you think bosses OKed it or just a random retaliation there must be bad blood to this day and since one guys retired and ones still in NYC

Patsy broke a rule, and he didn't just slap anyone's kid. Tore was already a made guy himself at the time. He had to eat it. He's never gotten over Patsy Jr. getting killed. He was a good kid. And who gets over the loss of a child?

I'm sure it still eats at him that he had to take it. But he's one of the top guys in the sharpest family. He understands the rules better than anyone. That's all there is to it.

very true,to late, tore was scolded for coming in after the beef with patsy, he was asked why didn't you leave him there? he thought it was automatic patsy would die..if tore kills him after he gets hit, its oh well, patsy knew the rules..but when he leaves politics and favors get called in.tore was not the same after that, but learned a hard lesson..he has nothing to be embarrassed about ,the guy is a man.. now top tomato is different he gets shot and does nothing, they should have told him to move to idaho, a nobody did it knowing who he was..

GREAT analogy .

Didn't some cop named Big Frankie infiltrate Patsy's crew?

Yeah, that was the case where they all pleaded out. Around 2001/2002.

Yes thats what I read.How much did Patsy plead for or what the term is?I'm sorry if this was already said on this tread.I have a hard time reading it on my phone..Also there was a hbo show where a cop busts Andy Gerardo's crew back in '88.di that create a big buzz too?

Mimi Scialo.


PB or anyone who would know, I've always wondered if this story is true. Didn't Moose Panarella supposedly do the work? Or at least his people....

He did six or seven years. Something like that.


Not really. I don't think it got as much press as some similar busts. Maybe in Jersey, but not nationally.

correct, patsy , neil, host of others

Yeah, that's the case where they tried to drag Neil's wife into it. I know the Feds have a job to do. But I have a real problem when they try to implicate the women just to coerce a plea out of the husbands.

What a joke. You have Gigante in the life and people complain. And then you have his grandson get out of that life and into the legit life and people still complain. You can't win.

pretty woman

I'm forever scolding you young guys about the perils of the life and that it's not a Coppola movie. But in this case, you are 100 percent correct, Nicky. The third generation Gigantes grew up so sheltered that the first time they heard of their grandfathers' Mafia association is when they read about it in the newspaper.

Not sure I understand this....is this referring to Sciandra?

yes

Sciandra would probably be doing life in prison if he hit that ex-cop. He might have been told to leave it alone.

got to catch you first..the cop is dirty he showed up with a made guy

Did Sciandra lose a lot of face in the family for not retaliating?

Michael Viga and Ronald Carlucci.. Not that we're entirely clear on what happened...but 30 years ago no doubt they all could have been killed.

The adolescent obsession with "Who's tougher?" in this thread aside, it's not hard to believe Mouw's account of what happened when they warned Gotti about the plot against his life. I imagine Gotti's kneejerk reaction was to go into his "What, me worry? I'm untouchable" character. But when they told him the threat was from the West Side, as Mouw said, "that meant something to him." For a moment, Gotti's reaction revealed real concern before responding that he had "no problems" with Chin.

As for Gigante, though it would have been much harder and more unlikely to happen in the Genovese family, no doubt he saw Gotti's move as a threat to all sitting bosses. Not to mention the business deals he had going with Castellano before this upstart capo from Queens decided to take over without Commission approval. Ironically, Chin tried to take out a sitting boss (Costello) decades before for Genovese. How much Commission approval they had or didn't have aside, it shows how these guys are all about the rules when it benefits them. Once that changes, the rules can go out the window fairly quickly.




Well, as someone on another thread correctly pointed out, the freight company he's president of was likely acquired through mob influence, i.e. union connections, intimidation, etc. Would he be where he is now without how his grandfather was? I'm not so sure.

Correct

yes with made guys..and with the street