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Re: JFK [Re: EastHarlemItal] #865621
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Great read , one of the best books I read in awhile if your interested in history and foreign policy in the 40s-60s . Blew me away and his book Brothers was excellent as well , author is just a top notch investigator and writer , a lot in this book has never been discussed or written about , ever , and that's rare IMO

Pretty funny this is on a mob forum as I've never read a mob book before , but when it comes to history , foreign policy on wars and the spy game and I can't get enough of them

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Originally Posted By: DB
Great read , one of the best books I read in awhile if your interested in history and foreign policy in the 40s-60s . Blew me away and his book Brothers was excellent as well , author is just a top notch investigator and writer , a lot in this book has never been discussed or written about , ever , and that's rare IMO

Pretty funny this is on a mob forum as I've never read a mob book before , but when it comes to history , foreign policy on wars and the spy game and I can't get enough of them


Some people think the mob had something to do with the JFK hit, so that is why you would JFK on OC Frorm.

Anyway i think the mob had small part to do with the JFK hit, but the main players in the JFK hit used the small mob links to put the eye on the mob along with top CIA, The CIA-MOB were up to their eyes in trying to wack out Fidel Castro.

The Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) new the CIA-MOB had links to get Fidel Castro and JSC had their own sections set up with in the CIA-MOB nexus to hit JFK.

At the end the CIA-MOB would know jackshit how the hit on Fidel Castro come around to hit JFK ? All the links would go back to the CIA-MOB and they would have to cover it all up.

Re: JFK [Re: EastHarlemItal] #865971
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New! Interview: Len Osanic and Jim DiEugenio with David Talbot on his new book, The Devil's Chessboard

http://www.blackopradio.com/pod/black755a.mp3

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http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/HWNAU/FC112363.pdf


Concerning the Facts and Consequences
of the Tragic Death of
President John F. Kennedy
November 23rd, 1963
by Fidel Castro.

Re: JFK [Re: Alfa Romeo] #1074613
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"George de Mohrenschildt[edit]

After returning from the Soviet Union, Oswald made a close friend in George de Mohrenschildt. De Mohrenschildt wrote extensive memoirs about his friendship with Oswald and had a copy of one of the photos of Oswald with the rifle used in the shooting. After the assassination, the CIA requested that the FBI locate De Mohrenschildt, as he had written a letter directly to George H.W. Bush, who was a friend, appealing to him to stop the agency from taking action against him.

A few television programs, including Jesse Ventura's "Conspiracy Theories", have alleged that De Mohrenschildt was Oswald's CIA handler. On March 29, 1977, De Mohrenschildt stated during an interview with author Edward Jay Epstein that he had been ordered by CIA operative J. Walton Moore to meet Oswald, and that he would not have if he had not been ordered to do so. After the interview, he received a letter from the House Select Committee on Assassination, but then committed suicide by shooting himself in the head later that day.[21][22]



This year brings the 60th anniversary of the assassination of John F. Kennedy, the 35th President of the United States.

According to the Warren Commission, which officially investigated JFK's assassination, Oswald acted alone. But a House of Representatives investigative committee determined in 1979 that there was a second shooter and a conspiracy.

Confidential CIA document
One of the witnesses for this committee was Dutch journalist Willem Oltmans. He was heard because the Texan-Russian oil baron George de Mohrenschildt confessed to him shortly before his death that he had given Oswald instructions for the assassination. Throughout his life, De Mohrenschildt always denied having ties to the CIA. But a confidential CIA document, which was made public last December under American President Biden, shows that a 'security check' was carried out on De Mohrenschildt in 1957, a standard procedure for people with whom the CIA wanted to do business.

De Mohrenschildt
There are several witness statements from people who say they knew De Mohrenschildt as a CIA agent under a different name. “De Mohrenschildt is a crucial person. Once we understand exactly his role in this story, we will likely know the truth about whether there was a conspiracy to assassinate the president ,” says former CIA Head of Operations Europe Rolf Mowatt-Larssen.

The Mysterious Death of George de Mohrenschildt
Research Posts
May 28
Written By R.J. Patterson
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IN ALL MY RESEARCH of the JFK Assassination collection at the National Archives earlier this year, no one character fascinated me more than that of George de Mohrenschildt. His life served as a strange mystery.

Born in Russia in 1911, George began his exciting life by escaping Russia after his father was arrested by the Bolsheviks and sentenced to a gulag. They family moved to Poland before young George eventually attended college in Belgium, earning a doctorate in international commerce. In 1938, George moved to the United States and fell under the watchful eye of the FBI.

In New York, George met the Bouvier family, including young Jackie, who would eventually marry JFK. According to George, he worked for French intelligence, gathering information on pro-German companies. Meanwhile, the FBI believed he had ties to the Nazis.

Marrying wealthy widows and divorcing them became the hallmark of George’s romantic modus operandi. It helped him build his own sizable wealth as he entered into a career in the U.S. oil industry via geological sciences. The oil industry is also how he met George H. Bush -- and why he corresponded with him personally when Bush served as the director of the CIA.

George’s affiliating with the JFK assassination conspiracy took an interesting turn when he connected with J. Walton Moore of the CIA’s Domestic Contacts Division while living in Dallas. In fact, within days upon the Oswalds moving to Dallas, George and the equally mysterious Col. Lawrence Orlov drove to meet the Oswalds. George’s connection to the Oswalds grew more apparent during the initial investigation into JFK’s death when the infamous picture of Oswald holding a rifle (made so by being the cover photo in Life magazine).

While the true nature of George’s connection to the CIA may never be known, it’s his death that fascinates me the most.

On March 29, 1977, George was visiting a family friend in Manalapan, Florida, located between West Palm Beach and Boca Raton. George’s daughter was staying with this friend, which from all accounts was the reason for his visit. However, while he was there, George agreed to conduct an interview with journalist Edward Jay Epstein for a feature story to be published in Reader’s Digest.

During the interview, House Select Committee on Assassinations investigator Gaeton Fonzi paid a visit to the home where George was staying. Fonzi was an investigative reporter from Philadelphia hired by the HSCA. He left his business card there with George’s daughter and asked if he could call him once he returned.

When George took a break to come home from lunch, George’s daughter informed her father in Spanish to keep the house made and gardener from knowing what was going on (isn’t that a twist?) that Fonzi dropped by. She gave him the card and left to go shopping. Later that afternoon, George was found dead in his upstairs bedroom with a self-inflicted gunshot wound. No one heard the gun go off. No suicide note either.

I explore this idea in a fictionalized manner in my new novel, The Warren Omissions, but this explanation of a suicide seems unlikely. The fact that his death was ruled a suicide and George’s body was cremated all within a week adds to the suspicion that something else was going on here. What creates the most amount of suspicion in my mind were the CIA personnel connected to George de Mohrenschildt: J. Walton Moore who answered to Richard Helms.

Helms, who eventually became the director of the CIA, oversaw a mind-control program called Project Artichoke, later renamed a much hipper name, Project MKUltra. This program used drugs to coerce people to do whatever the CIA wanted. And in this case, I suspect suicide.

Prior to his death, Fonzi penned a great tome entitled, “The Last Investigation,” which explained his work on the JFK Assassination was the last government investigation that will ever occur and why. His posited that the CIA sabotaged his efforts to conduct a thorough and conclusive investigation. Getting key witnesses -- or key players in perhaps George de Mohrenschildt’s case -- would be an effective way to thwart the truth from ever emerging.

George de Mohrenschildt’s family insisted that he would’ve never committed suicide. And I tend to agree. A megalomaniac would never do such a thing … unless someone else was controlling his mind.

Is this a far-fetched theory? Perhaps, but the suspicious details surrounding both George de Mohrenschildt’s life and death remain suggest that at the least he knew something about the conspirators who killed JFK, if not played a major role in making it happen.


"The king is dead, long live the king!"
Re: JFK [Re: EastHarlemItal] #1074622
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A short summary of the House Committee on Assassinations:

.The HSCA completed its investigation in 1978 and issued its final report the following year, which concluded that Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy. In addition to now-discredited acoustic analysis of a police channel dictabelt recording, the HSCA also commissioned numerous other scientific studies of assassination-related evidence that corroborate the Warren Commission's findings.

The HSCA determined, based on available evidence, that the probable conspiracy did not involve the governments of Cuba or the Soviet Union. The committee also stated that the conspiracy did not involve any organized crime group, anti-Castro group, nor the FBI, CIA, or Secret Service. The committee found that it could not exclude the possibility that individual members of the national syndicate of organized crime or anti-Castro Cubans were involved in a probable conspiracy to assassinate President Kennedy.[

In a memorandum written to the House Judiciary Committee in 1988 by Criminal Division Assistant Attorney General William F. Weld, the recommendations of the HSCA report were formally reviewed and a conclusion of active investigations was reported. In light of investigative reports from the FBI's Technical Services Division and the National Academy of Sciences Committee determining that "reliable acoustic data do not support a conclusion that there was a second gunman" in the Kennedy assassination, and that all investigative leads known to the Justice Department for both assassinations had been "exhaustively pursued", the Department concluded "that no persuasive evidence can be identified to support the theory of a conspiracy in either the assassination of President Kennedy or the assassination of Dr. King.

So basically,they based the 2nd shooter theory on evidence that we now know is B.S.
Also they claimed a probable conspiracy,except for the fact that it involved "somebody else" other than the usual conspiracy theory suspects.

Sounds like a crock of political knee-jerk bullshit.

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Re: JFK [Re: EastHarlemItal] #1074623
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Anyone read The Last Investigation by Gaeton Fonzi?
He died in 2012

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/12/us/gaeton-fonzi-76-investigated-kennedy-assassination.html


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November 22.



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se ero a sicilia oggi, io sarebbe provare a trova la fantasma di Appolonia e vede come sente incirca la sua nuova moglie "Kay Adams' una puttana irlandese lol. anche oggi è l'anniversario di JFK, una puttana altra irlandese. Trafficante, Marcello e Giancanna tutti erano Siciliani

Re: JFK [Re: EastHarlemItal] #1075309
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The sad thing about this whole thing is how many people are unaware of the mountain of evidence against Oswald



But you had to play it cool, had to do it your way
Had to be a fool, had to throw it all away
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Marguerite Frances Claverie Oswald Ekdahl (also known as Marguerite Oswald), (July 19, 1907 – January 17, 1981) was the mother of Lee Harvey Oswald.[1][2]

After the Kennedy assassination and subsequent murder of her son, Oswald maintained her son's innocence and claimed that he was an agent of the Central Intelligence Agency.[21][22] She created a shrine in her home to honor his life and military service, and frequently promoted conspiracy theories regarding the assassination. She wrote a booklet titled Aftermath of an Execution: The Burial and Final Rites of Lee Harvey Oswald, which was never published.[23]

In September 1964, Harold Feldman wrote an article on Oswald, in which he said she was being treated poorly by the media and by the Warren Commission. Feldman writes a meeting he and Oswald had with one of witness Helen Markham's sons on June 27th, 1964. He wrote; "Is Marguerite Oswald “emotional” and “unstable,” as the Maedchen fuer Alle of the press say? We spent 5 days in her house and watched her under high pressure. If she is, emotional, then Molly Pitcher was a hysteric. If she is unstable, then Mount Rushmore is putty."[24]

In 1968, Oswald sent a telegram to Coretta Scott King, following Martin Luther King's assassination which Coretta regarded as the telegram that touched her the most.[25] She later expressed her shock over the assassination of Robert Kennedy.[26]


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