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Re: Mobsters and drug use?
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03/28/15 03:57 PM
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pizzaboy
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I have read countless times about the lax DEALING drugs rule BUT, is their any rules pertaining to members who USE drugs? Yeah, don't get caught. Just like every other rule. All those old Pleasant Avenue Lucchese and Genovese guys that are so well "respected" today? Back in the '70s half of them were getting high off their own product. You'd be shocked at how fucked up some of them were. Especially if you knew which ones. Believe me when I tell you .
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: Mobsters and drug use?
[Re: dsbaloo]
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03/28/15 04:14 PM
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pizzaboy
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That's crazy... So back in the 70's a lot of respected guys were dipping in on their heroin stashes?? Or the coke? I said they're respected today. I didn't say anything about back then . One of the biggest myths out there is that your rep follows you for life. But as long as you're not a stoolie, it's as easy to reinvent yourself in the mob as it is in Hollywood. I mean, you're a young guy, but you know gambling. How many brokesters have ended up with their buttons over the years just because they ran to one wiseguy to protect themselves from another wiseguy after a bad weekend of betting football? That's how you end up on the record half the time. One thing leads to another, the next thing you know you're a wiseguy.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: Mobsters and drug use?
[Re: dsbaloo]
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03/28/15 04:35 PM
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pizzaboy
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Very true.. I think a lot of people don't realize that. Shit I forget about it half the time.. But what you said is so true.. There is probably more guys out there who got their button cause they were degenerates and either get claimed cause of their debts or run to someone for protection because of their debt, then they end up on record.. Then next thing you know they're getting made.. Yup, there it is.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: Mobsters and drug use?
[Re: AllDay27]
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03/28/15 06:05 PM
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Gotti's "Luca Brasi" Tony "Roach" Rampino was a very open H addict. Everyone knew about it, he was apparently doped out all the time publically, he got a pass because he was simply the muscle of Gotti who was already muscle but Roach was never moving up or earning a thing directly because of his H problem. You can tell just by looking at that guy that something isn't right.....The dude has bed hair in his mugshot......Couldn't they give him some water and a comb? Also, I NEVER knew that he was Gotti's Luca Brassi.
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Re: Mobsters and drug use?
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03/29/15 12:43 AM
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pizzaboy
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According to Dom Cicale's Q and A on cosanostranews.com Michael Mancuso messed around with heroin when he was younger and then later on cocaine and when he became more serious got sober. No argument there. They didn't call him Mikey Nose for nothing. But did Dom's low rent ghostwriter mention Dom's own drug habit? Or about the time Dom ripped off the Dominicans on Saint Nick and disapeared on a two week bender to Florida? Or how Vinny stopped them from whacking him the fuck out? It's funny what doesn't make it into these books, huh?
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: Mobsters and drug use?
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03/29/15 07:57 AM
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All the Purple Gang members had problem with drugs both italian and non italian and a 50 years old member died few time ago and spent 100 $ a day for the H. I mentioned the old Pleasant Avenue Luccheses and Genovese guys further up the thread, Furio. I'm sorry if there was a language barrier. But that's who I meant. The old Purple Gang guys.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: Mobsters and drug use?
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03/29/15 08:43 AM
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Yes Pizza,there are no language barrier,it's my band simple I forget what you had written. La capisco benissimo. Ma mi innervosisco sempre quando parlo in Italiano con gli Italiani nativi. Back to English, though. The mods get upset because it's too hard for them to moderate. Can't blame them.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: Mobsters and drug use?
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03/29/15 09:41 AM
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See Nicky Cowboy and Mikey DeBatt from Sammy's crew. Both whacked for being crackheads. Don't believe everything you read. Especially when what you're reading was written by someone trying to cast themselves in a favorable light. Did they use cocaine? Yes. Is that why they were killed? No. Let's just say half the reasons Sammy gives to explain most of his admitted murders are half truths.
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All God's children are not beautiful. Most of God's children are, in fact, barely presentable.
I never met anyone who didn't have a very smart child. What happens to these children, you wonder, when they reach adulthood?
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Re: Mobsters and drug use?
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03/29/15 10:59 AM
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See Nicky Cowboy and Mikey DeBatt from Sammy's crew. Both whacked for being crackheads. Don't believe everything you read. Especially when what you're reading was written by someone trying to cast themselves in a favorable light. Did they use cocaine? Yes. Is that why they were killed? No. Let's just say half the reasons Sammy gives to explain most of his admitted murders are half truths. Fair enough, and I can definitely see him having other motives. We are all pulling from the same sources here, though (books, interviews, court transcripts, etc.) Unless you have insider knowledge of his crew workings that you'd like to share, then I'll stick to what's in public record.
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Re: Mobsters and drug use?
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03/29/15 11:03 AM
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Gigi Inglese made tons of money selling drugs he was the guy who got Gribbs life by saying hello at a restaurant. And consider that Madonna was the wholesaler of heroin in Harlem to Nicky Barnes in his best times, he definitely earned a serious amount of money. Mark Reiter was a jewish guy who ran with Gotti who was a major coke trafficker along with Angelo. Vincent Pappa made good money sellin the French Connection dope. Raffie Cuomo and Joe Beck's brothers also made tons of money moving H out of Ray's Pizza. This thread is about drug USE. Not dealing. Hell, most of them have dealt at one time or another. It's just more hypocrisy. Long story short, Fat Gigi was no druggie. He didn't use himself.
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Re: Mobsters and drug use?
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03/29/15 12:00 PM
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helenwheels
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See Nicky Cowboy and Mikey DeBatt from Sammy's crew. Both whacked for being crackheads. Don't believe everything you read. Especially when what you're reading was written by someone trying to cast themselves in a favorable light. Did they use cocaine? Yes. Is that why they were killed? No. Let's just say half the reasons Sammy gives to explain most of his admitted murders are half truths. Fair enough, and I can definitely see him having other motives. We are all pulling from the same sources here, though (books, interviews, court transcripts, etc.) Unless you have insider knowledge of his crew workings that you'd like to share, then I'll stick to what's in public record. I knew all 3 of the men mentioned above, 2 for my entire life, 1 peripherally. Nicky was killed more for reasons related to his nickname. They didn't call him cowboy for nothing. He was wild, and in that life it can be a liability. It's also not a coincidence he was killed just 3 weeks after Castellano. Yes, he drank and used cocaine, so did many guys around Sammy. Funnily, he had been with the Columbos for years before the Gambinos. He was moved after he and Carmine Sessa's brother shot someone that didnt die. A mistake that caused a lot of problems for both of them. Nicky's father was an old time Columbo associate who had owned a private sanitation business and had done time himself. DeBatt I knew less of, but I know enough about Sammy to know that while drugs may have been a part of his reasons - and not that drugs aren't reason enough sometimes- it wasn't the only one. Sammy didn't usually operate that way. You can stick to the books, that's fair enough. But lots of things never make into them, especially books like Sammy's, written to cast him in a better light.
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All God's children are not beautiful. Most of God's children are, in fact, barely presentable.
I never met anyone who didn't have a very smart child. What happens to these children, you wonder, when they reach adulthood?
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Re: Mobsters and drug use?
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03/29/15 04:30 PM
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See Nicky Cowboy and Mikey DeBatt from Sammy's crew. Both whacked for being crackheads. Don't believe everything you read. Especially when what you're reading was written by someone trying to cast themselves in a favorable light. Did they use cocaine? Yes. Is that why they were killed? No. Let's just say half the reasons Sammy gives to explain most of his admitted murders are half truths. Fair enough, and I can definitely see him having other motives. We are all pulling from the same sources here, though (books, interviews, court transcripts, etc.) Unless you have insider knowledge of his crew workings that you'd like to share, then I'll stick to what's in public record. I knew all 3 of the men mentioned above, 2 for my entire life, 1 peripherally. Nicky was killed more for reasons related to his nickname. They didn't call him cowboy for nothing. He was wild, and in that life it can be a liability. It's also not a coincidence he was killed just 3 weeks after Castellano. Yes, he drank and used cocaine, so did many guys around Sammy. Funnily, he had been with the Columbos for years before the Gambinos. He was moved after he and Carmine Sessa's brother shot someone that didnt die. A mistake that caused a lot of problems for both of them. Nicky's father was an old time Columbo associate who had owned a private sanitation business and had done time himself. DeBatt I knew less of, but I know enough about Sammy to know that while drugs may have been a part of his reasons - and not that drugs aren't reason enough sometimes- it wasn't the only one. Sammy didn't usually operate that way. You can stick to the books, that's fair enough. But lots of things never make into them, especially books like Sammy's, written to cast him in a better light. was Nicky in the rampers with Sammy and Pappa?
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