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Re: Presidential pardons
[Re: BAM_233]
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02/28/15 06:44 AM
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Can Presidents pardon themselves?? I don't believe so. If they could, Nixon really screwed up not pardoning himself, and staying in office. Gerald Ford pardoned Nixon, it would be a pretty twisted country allowing you to commit a crime and then just pardon yourself
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Re: Presidential pardons
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02/28/15 07:38 AM
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thanks What's interesting about the list is, don't know if you all remember a group called the Fugees. Hip hop group out of NJ that made a big pop splash in the late 1990s. An associate of theirs and unofficial member of the group John Forte was caught running liquid coke smuggling ring. He's on the list of people that George W. pardoned and I thought it was a joke at first. The singer Carly Simon was behind the effort so I guess she still has a lot of pull.
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Re: Presidential pardons
[Re: Yogi Barrabbas]
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02/28/15 08:11 AM
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Can Presidents pardon themselves?? Article II does not place any limitations on Presidential authority for [criminal] offenses against the United States except impeachment. Thus, President Nixon would still have been subject to civil suits and state prosecutions. However, I believe he could have pardoned himself
Last edited by olivant; 02/28/15 08:14 AM.
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Re: Presidential pardons
[Re: BAM_233]
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03/02/15 08:24 AM
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President Clinton's last day in office was 1/20/2001; Hillary Clinton's first day as a US Senator was 1/3/2001. Interesting. Thanks for the information. You're welcome. By the way, I forgot to mention that the pardons mentioned above were not pardons. President Clinton only reduced the term of their sentencing, the least of which was 24 months and such clemency was granted after Mrs. Clinton's senatorial election.
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Re: Presidential pardons
[Re: Yogi Barrabbas]
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03/02/15 09:26 AM
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Can Presidents pardon themselves?? Yes. This was discussed by Nixon's lawyers with Alexander Haig. It is a broad statement that presidents can grant pardons. The PR fallout would have been terrible and, to their credit, Nixon and his lawyers recognized the damage that would have been done with a self-pardon. If you're interested in this, read The Final Days by Woodward & Bernstein. It's a fascinating look at the last 100 days of the Nixon presidency. Nixon even refused to pardon his two top administration men, Haldeman & Ehrlichman. In fact, Haldeman called repeatedly to request a pardon in the days leading up to Nixon's resignation.
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