Lol, nice pic... is he at the Copa?

I wonder what would have happened if Casso was whacked or arrested and Amuso remained on the street. I still remember those guys on the topmobs blog that swore Vic wasn't nearly as violent, which I have a hard time to believe since he appointed such a psycho as underboss. But still, with no Casso around to push him to whack everybody, how would Amuso have behaved if left to himself?

Lol pizzaboy thinks really highly of Anthony Casso and Dominick Cicale lol.But this is how fucked up Anrthony Casso is on his 60 minutes interview the reporter asks him if he feels bad about all the people he killed and Casso said no.Instead of him lying like all the other rats do and say he feels bad and wish it never happend he straight out showed his true pysiopathic personiality.He did seem like he had a bit of a personality not like gravano who seemed like a creep

Gravano sounds pretty genuine in his interview, you can tell he's not lying about most of the things. Sure, there's stuff he's just bullshitting, like dealing drugs an some of the people he whacked but he gave you this real, genuine vibe that you'd almost believe if he didn't get caught dealing drugs a few years later. His answers are direct, concise and to the point.. he doesn't make excuses about his life and basically tells it how it is.
I dunno maybe it's just me, but back when I didn't know he was caught dealing I found him to be semi-likable as far as those guys go.

Then again I thought pretty much the same thing about Gotti Jr's interview, but with him you could tell his lies by his nervous tick and blinking, lol.. like Alite said in his book his trashy sister used to call him "blinkie."

By the way whats the story about Sammy refusing to testify against Casso? Is it bullshit? How the hall can Sammy refuse his overlords, the feds like that. Was he THAT scared of Gas?

Well, Anthony Casso ordered the murder of Mikey Salerno, a local, likeable, and avuncular type of guy---who I knew all my life (and I was already about thirty when he got killed).

You pick the life and you get killed, hey, that's on you. But Casso hung a rat label on him to justify it, and it was all so he could get his greedy hands on the dump in Pennsylvania. And Mikey was no rat. That move was despicable.

And Dominick Cicale has more bodies on him than the man he put away. At least the two guys that Vinny was convicted of murdering were both bottom feeding lowlifes themselves. Public service homicides. If it was up to the NYPD, they probably wouldn't have even investigated. But once the Feds grabbed it, and Cicale showed his true colors (is c*unt a color?), that was all she wrote.

And I don't sugarcoat the lives of mobsters. I've posted the expression "you play you pay" more times than anyone on this site. And life is full of gray areas. But not where these two guys are concerned.

Casso is a serial killer who was as dangerous as Charles Manson. Cicale a career petty criminal and white trash lowlife who couldn't make himself better than he was born. Look no further than his drug dealing rat father if you need proof of that.

I get what ya mean PB. Not only they have you whacked for doing nothing wrong, but they even shit on your reputation and label you a rat. In that life, that is much, much worse. Like putting salt on the wound, even that is an understatement.

Speaking of Sammy Gravano, is it true he refused to rat on Louis Vollario?

Speaking as a Long Islander, very few bars and clubs out here fall under mob control, or affiliation. To this day anyways. The Hells Angels is more into that these days as far as Long Island goes. The clubs are pretty much run by legit people, and very few of them happen to be Italian.

Oh not implying gas & vic won't whack u if u did nothing wrong, but I was merely pointing out that yes, D'arco was in trouble BUT I don't think he was getting popped just yet

Maybe they still needed him onboard seeing they were on the lam & again I'm in no illusions as to the fact he was marked for death

However just pointing out (IMO) he wasn't going to get popped at the first or second meet. Gas would not have to set up multiple meets just to lure Al in. If gas wanted u dead, forgetabout it! He wouldn't play these come meet me today, I'll see u next week, tell Al's driver to do a runner after he drops him off, tells a guy who wasn't supposed to be at the meet to suddenly turn up & go into a toilet, come out missing a bulge.

That is not Gas's style. And if anyone believes Al was going to get whacked at this meet, then why were they smart enough to tell Al's driver to dissapear yet have NO backup team in place.

When gas got up and literally ran, why didn't anyone chase him? There were other hits ordered by Gas where the victim sensed he was getting it, and tried to make off but was chased and dragged back inside

Nobody chased him because they were just as startled as he was as to why he decided to do the running man

Now, if he gave them the slip, surely a team of guys can keep a close eye on an intended target. Put simply he wasn't even a target on that given day.

Wasn't D'Arco allies with Crea and other guys from the (Bronx)? And didn't he despise Baratta on a personal and business level (Harlem)?

Just my personal opinion without getting through all the other posts on the thread yet but I think The Kimberly Hotel assassination attempt was all in D'Arco's head. It's a ridiculous place to whack someone and his theory about why guys were fidgety and going on regular toilet breaks sounded like total paranoia.

I don't think he was a stand up guy. I think he was a coward and a bully.

They tried to recruit Daidone too but guys like Daidone & Argentina weren't insubordinate to Amuso & Casso and he stayed loyal. And lo and behold, Louie Bagels is now doing a life sentence without ratting like De Fede & D'Arco.

Guy certainly looks like he can take a punch. Real boxers chin on him.

Where did I imply anything different, Moe?

I said a real man would have gone out in a blaze of glory, and I called him a pussy. And I realize that we share the English language, but sometimes the idioms are a bit different here. But in the street over here, a pussy is even less than a coward.

And Jimmy Ida wouldn't have even recongnized Al as the acting. That whole downtown crew kept him at arm's length. Matty sent word from Texas that the Luccheses were a house of cards with Ducks away and the Brooklyn/Bronx thing going on. It's just a shame that Chin didn't find Casso before the Feds did.

Was Chin looking for Casso?

so I re read the hotel chapter. and capeci and tom are great writters. lay out all the details likr you can picture in your head. ok where to start. they were not going to whack al there and leave his deadlier kid out on the street on drugs looking for revenge. the kid killed dilappi put 10 in fat pete. if they were they call both in. and why a hotel there would be evidence everywere blood noise people in n out ect like the worst place ever. these are the guy in charge of the family. casso would have just had one of al crew do him in a car. I think al knew with fat pete talking his time was up. why let sal Avellino leave the hotel alive. they whack him tell al we had to make it look good. al says Avellino wanted the carters dead but casso told them find your own killlers. why long island guys use that Bronx guy frank pearl. and is Frankie pearl out? think hes late 80tys and should be wrapping up soon. that's a slap in the face is he walks out alive.

From what I read Al had a his own right to be suspicious. None of his associates talked to him, people kept ignoring him, at least thats what he said. Then you have the guys getting whacked for being labeled rats. After a while it was clear that this was ridicilous. There was a clear pattern of these guys getting whacked.

And everybody else in that hotelroom was acting suspicious, acting different, but if they did want to hit him in the hotel then why did they wait so long. Why didn't the killer enter and do the job, instead of someone planting the gun when everyone was already there?

They were going to kill him. Period. And it doesn't justify his snitching. You take the oath, you go down guns blazing if need be. But my point was that the hotel paranoia was irrelevant to what would have eventually happened. They were going to pop him. No ifs, ands or buts.

Avellino lucked out, too. Casso was so fucking jealous of that man's business savvy and wealth that he would have eventually ordered him murdered. No doubt in my mind. But look at them both now.

Fuck Anthony Casso. A serial killer in an Italian suit is still a serial killer. And that piece of shit (and rat, by the way) is still in prison. And Sal Avellino is still a ten handicap .

Wasn't Al D'Arco warned by the FBI? If he was, then he shouldn't have gone to any meeting in the first place. Maybe he went to the meeting to see if the agents were right. When he saw the strange behaviors around him, he made up his mind to believe the FBI. But could he possibly be that slow witted? I think so.

Pizza, folk like Casso make me think that certain people should be locked up before they kill. He just comes across as a completely unstable lunatic in his interviews. The only thing that could probably calm him down is medical/nutritional care.

And about the 'guns blazing' concept. It seems to me like the gangsters with the greatest longevity in Cosa Nostra are the ones with the formidable reputation of being too difficult to whack. You don't even want to call them in because they might switch it up on you and do you in instead. It just seems that way. I don't know. Maybe guys like Sonny Franzese were getting called in left and right and constantly tested. But I doubt it.

Unfortunately, the more liberal states here in America don't go in for that kind of thing. But I couldn't agree more .

All kidding aside, great post all the way around .

No, I think Al said he was warned after the hotel incident, which in his mind justified why he turned

The Rat's National Anthem: They were gonna kill me. I testified out of revenge, so I'm not really a rat.

PB what do you think of Chiodo ratting? Why protect 2 psychopaths who tried to kill your sister?

Beat me too it Nicky.

Some of these rats have a point.

Edit: Its worth pointing out that D'Arco was almost certainly going to be hit.
The only dispute is by posters who 'dont believe it', based on... I have no idea.

Sincere thanks for the Kudos, and I'm relieved you didn't take the post the wrong way....there are some very sensitive people around here . I'm a Sagittarius, so I tend to be blunt.

Different story. There have certainly been instances where they created their own rats. Greg DePalma did it to Willie Marshall. Not as well known an instance, but a very good example in my book.

I'm not an ogre, Alfa. And I sincerely apologize if I ever came across that way. This past year has been rough. My Dad's 85 and having a rough go of it lately, just suffered another setback, and eldercare is just about the most stressful thing for an impatient, middle-aged guy, who's used to being in charge, to have to endure. I honestly like to think I'm a pretty nice guy.

Sorry for going off topic. Back in NY with Dad for tests, heading back to Florida over the weekend, and can't sleep a wink.

So back on point: I've never seen Casso face-to-face. I'm a Bronx guy and he has almost twenty years on me. And who the fuck am I anyway but a mope who grew up around a bunch of guys like the ones discussed on this board? But I do remember a couple of his Bronx victims, hence my intense dislike for the man.

And you're right. That "60 Minutes" interview reminded me of a poorly acted episode of "Criminal Minds," which means it wasn't an act at all. Your theory about the proactive and preemptive jailing of reprobates and sociopaths like Casso has a lot of merit. It will never happen. But it works for me.

It's like these kids who are caught torturing animals at 15 years old. They're diagnosed as sociopaths and their parents are told that there's no cure for the sociopath. And what happens?

I'm not sure if a study has ever been done, but I'd be willing to bet that more than half of them end up incarcerated as violent felons. And the ones who don't just didn't get caught.

Now before anyone reminds me that I'm half crazy myself, I just want to point out that I honestly believe that there are more "good" people in this world than "bad." But in the extreme cases of that "bad" minority, getting proactive would save lives.

It's like the old and tired debate about killing Baby Hitler if you could go back in time. I'd smother the little bastard to Bruckner's Seventh Symphony (hey, I'm a history buff who appreciates irony).

Pizza, you made me sad and happy in the same post. That's some gift you have.

With your gift I am certain that you can lift your father up. And I'm sure you already do.

Oh and I wasn't referring to you at all in alluding to the sensitive folk. I sort of offended a couple of great posters on another thread by being a little too blunt. But that's a common trait in Sagittarians, from what I've read.

Sorry about your father PB

I share your same thoughts on Casso and Amuso , even on a personal level

Those are 2 men I hope have been living out a truly miserable life and I believe they are

That family was stealthy strong , monster earners , real CN and they destroyed it for a time and killed people for no reason other than greed . Just terrible terrible human beings that deserve hell for destroying many people's lives . Outside of Anastasia , I'm not sure of any other admin that whacked regular civilians so easily shame .

Anyway hope things get better with the old man , by the way you describe him , he sounds like a good old school tough guy

All of the above.

Crazy old bastard wanted to go back to Florida today instead of tomorrow. But I put my foot down and told him that I needed a day to decompress. He asked me what the fuck decompress was supposed to mean, called me a Mary, then agreed to leave tomorrow morning. But he's still only grunting instead of talking. My biggest fear right now is reminding him that he can't have meat today because of Lent. If it's not too bitter out tonight I'll take him over to City Island for some scungilli.

And thanks, Kiddo. Much appreciated .