Agreed PB. The Gravanos showed that same "disappointment" with Sammy and look how they wound up living in Arizona together.

EXCELLENT analogy, Beans. I agree 100%. His family was set to join him from Day One. But they had to keep up appearances in Brooklyn and on Staten Island for a few years first.

And Karen Gravano had to meet with her Producer AND publisher as well PB

Worth at least a quarter...


It's true though. I don't understand why anyone would want this for their kid. You have families like the Fuscos, third generation in the Columbos. Why? They have money, could send the kids to schools anywhere,and instead they send them to the street. It's not an easy life either, I'll never understand.

Some want a Legacy with their children in it and right behind them and to replace them. Others they may not want it for the kids . But it appears that if the kids start to fall into or get interested they are not pushed away .

Well, funny you mention them. Richie and Greg were as thick as thieves (no pun intended). And look how things turned out for Greg's son. Birds of a feather.

The Westside guys usually keep their kids out. Not all of them, mind you. But compared to the other families, there are far fewer "legacies" in the Genovese Family.

Well, when the kids are wild, sometimes you have no choice. You put them on record with yourself, or someone close to you, so that they don't fall in with a pack of wild dogs.

For example, that's what happened to Vinny Basciano with Vinny Jr. And to his credit, Junior, who's doing his time, LIKE A MAN, has learned his lesson.

nothing ever came of that sneaky fuck trying to extort and incriminate the Basciano kids?

Seems like it was only like a year ago and I heard nothing after that

He disappeared off your pal's site too, must have took Lieber for what he was worth and moved onto his next con lol

Either that or the Feds got in Lieber's ear and warned him that if he was a party to such information (because he was spending so much time with him at the time writing that "book"), that the First Amendment didn't apply to him. I could see the guy crying himself to sleep after that, or at least sucking his thumb for a few months.

Lol Pizza

Do you think that the mothers, aunts, or any females play a role in the sons' lives as far as being on the street?? To me, it seems like if you are a very WISE mother you will want the best for your sons and will do anything and everything in your power to make sure you have them under control.

(I hope that's not a silly question)

Italian boys are spoiled by their Mothers but drawn to their Fathers and other older Italian men. It's up to the Father to keep them out of the life.

And I hope that's not sexist. But it is what it is.

Makes complete sense and no it is not sexist.

Thanks. The men are more sensitive than the broads here .

Ha ha you know it. Using the word broad is sexist, gotta watch that word. Some women don't like it. Me, I don't mind it. It's old school just like you

Good enough for Sinatra, good enough for me. You cuckoo broad, you .

Ok kids

Cuckoo broad huh Ya Better Stop, that's what Frankie says.



Edit: I had to put one of those silly cuckoo smilies in

Dominick Montiglio is annoying to me simply because there's something about him that makes me doubt everything he says. When I watch him talk about Demeo and Nino I tend to think that maybe he's coming up with a lot of bullshit to make it more interesting. It also makes me doubt Murder Machine a little bit, since he's the primary source. I don't know, maybe I'm off there.

Michael Franceze on the other hand I enjoy because he's bright and a good speaker. He tells an interesting story. The born again crap I can't listen to.

Nah, not sexist. Of course, I don't speak for all broads

Philly Fay Casale, who was in Pete The Crumb Caprio's crew, was a child rapist.

Proof if ever you needed it that these guys don't give one iota who they do business with if it puts money in their pockets.

Moe, Wasn't Caprio going to kill him after he used him in his plot to kill the Philadelphia Administration but instead were arrested because Fay was wearing a wire against Caprio?

Caprio turned rat too and turned the tables on him.

Being honest, I am reading about this in The Last Gangster.

It fills in a lot of the blanks during the Merlino/Natale era for me.

Man, it does not portray Joey in a good light at all.

But then, we all know the guy has the business acumen of a fly.

Here a re two good articles on Caprio and Casale Moe:

http://articles.philly.com/2006-07-20/news/25403988_1_casale-mob-killings

http://www.fivefamiliesnyc.com/2012/11/turncoat-gangster-gives-mob-history.html

Thanks Beans.

Heh. Merlino drove Caprio to his induction ceremony. He would have been just 20.

I saw that.