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Re: ANP photo contest: let's get this done already. [Re: ChiTown] #821135
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Originally Posted By: ChiTown
Good points all around - I am definitely wrong on Fischetti. Someone should send this photo to a John Binder or someone similar and get their guesses.

I'm convinced that Fosco doesnt fucking know.

Good idea. Or Inserra.

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my guess

1. Amato /sureshot
2. JB /sureshot
3. Pranno
4. fifi ??
5. Rocco fischetti ??
6. Caifano
7. Palermo
8. Adduci /sureshot (relatively)
9. Cerone /sureshot
10. Messino

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No way #10 is Giancana. Photographs of him during 1959 Senate Rackets Committee show him still having a full head of hair.

#10 is either Ricca or Cerone, if anybody at all; I say that because Fosco may have set the bar at 7 of 10 because 3 of them might be virtually impossible to guess or in reality not really outfit guys.

Was Palermo ever a made guy? I always understood he was an Accardo buddy and perhaps merely an associate.

EDIT: That's gotta be Cerone. The guy in the photo is obviously short, and Cerone was like 5'6, not to mention Senate Racket hearing photos from '58 show the exact same dome and hairline.

[img:center]http://www.corbisimages.com/images/Corbi...60-0836d134e23c[/img]

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Re: ANP photo contest: let's get this done already. [Re: JJB] #821671
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Originally Posted By: JJB
No way #10 is Giancana. Photographs of him during 1959 Senate Rackets Committee show him still having a full head of hair.

#10 is either Ricca or Cerone, if anybody at all; I say that because Fosco may have set the bar at 7 of 10 because 3 of them might be virtually impossible to guess or in reality not really outfit guys.

Was Palermo ever a made guy? I always understood he was an Accardo buddy and perhaps merely an associate.

[img:center]http://www.corbisimages.com/images/Corbi...60-0836d134e23c[/img]


Sam has a rug on at the senate hearings, but if you check the photos from Toni's wedding (about the same time)
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he still has hair up the backside of his head and a wisp of hair on top.

If you search for Ricca in the corbis images, you'll see that he was completely gray by this time.

Re: ANP photo contest: let's get this done already. [Re: ChiTown] #821734
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Originally Posted By: ChiTown
Good points all around - I am definitely wrong on Fischetti. Someone should send this photo to a John Binder or someone similar and get their guesses.

I'm convinced that Fosco doesnt fucking know.


I think you are right about fosco, he acts like he's pretending to know them all, says he's got info from a source,

I think foscos blowing smoke.



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Re: ANP photo contest: let's get this done already. [Re: JJB] #821735
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I sent it to John Binder. I will let you guys know what he says.


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Re: ANP photo contest: let's get this done already. [Re: JJB] #821743
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great, snakes! be watching for your post. thank you.



" watch what you say around this guy, he's got a big mouth" sam giancana to an outfit soldier about frank Sinatra. [ from the book "my way"
Re: ANP photo contest: let's get this done already. [Re: Snakes] #821744
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Originally Posted By: Snakes
I sent it to John Binder. I will let you guys know what he says.

Awesome. Email, or does he have a website?

Re: ANP photo contest: let's get this done already. [Re: JJB] #821758
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I realize Sam Destefano had a lot of pull with his rackets, but would he really be sitting in the same table with important people and bosses like Accardo, etc? I think he was more like Ricca's boy instead of Tuna's.


-I shot him a coupla' times.
-What's a couple?
-Hmm, more than a couple... Really I don't know the exact amount, maybe I shot him 10 times, 12 times?
-Maybe fifteen?
-Hmm, it could've been fifteen...

-Anthony "Gaspipe" Casso
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I really have my doubts that that's Destefano. Doesn't look like him to me.

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For the record, Binder thinks it's DeStefano too. He's actually contacted Fosco about the photo but (surprise, surprise) he got no reply. He noted Amato, Accardo, and Cerone, too. He thinks he knows a couple more but didn't reveal who.


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Re: ANP photo contest: let's get this done already. [Re: funkster] #821774
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Originally Posted By: funkster
I really have my doubts that that's Destefano. Doesn't look like him to me.

I didn't think so at first.
But I overlayed the destefano with glasses foto and flickered the layers. It was incredible how many points lined up.
I don't have the tech to put together a gif animation, but if anyone wants to try, I'll be happy to send a matched set.

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I really have my doubts that that's Destefano. Doesn't look like him to me.

I didn't think so at first.
But I overlayed the destefano with glasses foto and flickered the layers. It was incredible how many points lined up.
I don't have the tech to put together a gif animation, but if anyone wants to try, I'll be happy to send a matched set.


Check out the earlobes. There are similarities, but that doesn't indicate much. My real concern is that the guy with the cigar looks half-way normal !

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gary, "mad sam" did some time in the Indiana joint, check out his mug shot if you can find it, I never could.



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Re: ANP photo contest: let's get this done already. [Re: GaryMartin] #821805
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Originally Posted By: GaryMartin
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I really have my doubts that that's Destefano. Doesn't look like him to me.

I didn't think so at first.
But I overlayed the destefano with glasses foto and flickered the layers. It was incredible how many points lined up.
I don't have the tech to put together a gif animation, but if anyone wants to try, I'll be happy to send a matched set.


Check out the earlobes. There are similarities, but that doesn't indicate much. My real concern is that the guy with the cigar looks half-way normal !


Facially, it does look like DeStefano, but questions still remain for a couple of factors: 1) DeStefano's hair was still dark when the photo was taken c1958/59; 2) DeStefano had thick hair and this person's hair doesn't seem all that thick.

On the other hand, DeStefano did have some sort of business arrangement with Accardo or at least kicked up to him. DeStefano also lived in Elmwood Park. He only lived a mile and a half from Cerone (DeStefano at 1656 N Sayre Ave and Cerone at 2000 N 77th Ave), so if it is him it makes sense that they were seated next to each other.

So to update my list, here it is:
Here's my guesses:
1. Joe Amato
2. Accardo
3. Rocco Potenza
4. UNK
5. Nick Palermo
6. Anthony Centracchio
7. UNK (looks like Cowboy Mirro)
8. James Adduci
9. Jack Cerone
10. Sam DeStefano

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I highly doubt that Centracchio is there. He would have only been in his twenties at the time and was nowhere near the level of these guys.


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Binnie, Faithful - I don't know, either, just guessing. I've not made much of an effort to find pictures of DeStefano, but I'll look around. Very good comments by everyone. If Prof. Binder doesn't know, I have no idea who would.

I sent the picture to a contact in Chicago but did not get a response. I guess these guys get tired of people "picking their brain."

I have a Tribune article about DeStefano "kicking-up" to Accardo.

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Fosco claimed it wasn't DeStefano because he wouldn't have been seen around Accardo... whatever. Obviously he doesn't know who all of the guys in the photo are or else he would have responded to the myriad of requests he has received. He was definitely wrong on the Pranno/Potenza debate so that also leads me to believe he doesn't know the rest.


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Originally Posted By: GaryMartin
Binnie, Faithful - I don't know, either, just guessing. I've not made much of an effort to find pictures of DeStefano, but I'll look around. Very good comments by everyone. If Prof. Binder doesn't know, I have no idea who would.

I sent the picture to a contact in Chicago but did not get a response. I guess these guys get tired of people "picking their brain."

I have a Tribune article about DeStefano "kicking-up" to Accardo.



Let's see if this works

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Originally Posted By: PKDickman
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Binnie, Faithful - I don't know, either, just guessing. I've not made much of an effort to find pictures of DeStefano, but I'll look around. Very good comments by everyone. If Prof. Binder doesn't know, I have no idea who would.

I sent the picture to a contact in Chicago but did not get a response. I guess these guys get tired of people "picking their brain."

I have a Tribune article about DeStefano "kicking-up" to Accardo.



Let's see if this works



Hmmm could also be his brother Mario.
http://www.mchenrycounty1981.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/MarioDeStefano.jpg

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I think it's much more likely it's his brother. Was he made at the time of the photo? If so, then it makes much more sense.


-I shot him a coupla' times.
-What's a couple?
-Hmm, more than a couple... Really I don't know the exact amount, maybe I shot him 10 times, 12 times?
-Maybe fifteen?
-Hmm, it could've been fifteen...

-Anthony "Gaspipe" Casso
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I've thought that #6 resembled Centracchio, but then I thought the same thing as you, namely: why would he be in that photo with the bosses?

However, we don't know who or what's outside the frame of that photo, and #6 is definitely a younger guy - around 30 isn't far-fetched. AC was born in 1929, IIRC.

FWIW, Centracchio's eyes are a close match to #6. I think it's a possibility.

Snakes, can you think of another guy circa 30 years of age who's more likely to be 6?

And if that's AC, could #4 be Infelise or Ferriola? (This is a total winger here, but #4's been driving me mad...) I've had no luck finding younger photos of either.

EDIT: I always understood that Destefano was never made, which would make unlikely that brother Mario was.

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If this is a casual gathering then it wouldn't surprise me to see a son or nephew or something to that affect there. It doesn't appear to be an Outfit-exclusive gathering. It's very possible that some of these guys are civilians. Also, it looks like some women (wives/girlfriends?) are in the background although it's not known if they are with Accardo and friends. If they were, it would not be out of the ordinary for the times to have the men together on one side and the women together on another.

The location could also be a clue; Fosco stated that the location that it was somewhere to the northwest of Chicago (can't remember his exact statement) and Amato and Potenza - two guys who operated out of that area for the Outfit - are apparently present. Maybe some of the guys are operatives out of that area who don't have existing photos.


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Originally Posted By: Snakes

The location could also be a clue; Fosco stated that the location that it was somewhere to the northwest of Chicago (can't remember his exact statement) and Amato and Potenza - two guys who operated out of that area for the Outfit - are apparently present. Maybe some of the guys are operatives out of that area who don't have existing photos.


"As I said, I am not sure of the location. However, based on input by a living relative of one of the people in the photo, it is likely that the get together took place at Holiday Park (which was/is a beach), near Wauconda, Illinois."

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If this was in Lake County than it's possible that Les Kruse would be one of those there - although nobody here resembles him, IMO.

Butch Blasi is another guy that could be there as he was Accardo's driver for many year although again, none of those photographed resembles him. I guess it's possible he could be the man in the cap but I doubt it.

Does anyone know what Accardo's sons look like?


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7. UNK (looks like Cowboy Mirro)


You know, pencil neck could be Mirro.

The only pictures I've seen of him are from a decade later and he's a lot heavier. But he has the same jug ears and the goofy part in his hair.

I originally dismissed him from the group because I figured he was still in the slammer for the Zerk robbery, but he could have been out in '57.

Perhaps the light weight and goofy look were due to jailhouse pallor.

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JJB I was under the impression Mario DeStefano got made into the Outfit because he was more stable, unlike Sam who they'd never give a button to.
Don't quote me on this, but I think Tony Spilotro and Mario DeStefano were in on Sam's murder, with Tony acting as the triggerman and Mario setting up the hit on his own brother. Sometime after the hit on Sam, I think Mario got his button.


-I shot him a coupla' times.
-What's a couple?
-Hmm, more than a couple... Really I don't know the exact amount, maybe I shot him 10 times, 12 times?
-Maybe fifteen?
-Hmm, it could've been fifteen...

-Anthony "Gaspipe" Casso
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Sam was almost certainly a made guy. It's basically a mob urban myth that he wasn't.


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Here's the Tribune article about DeStefano and Accardo sharing money from juice loans. The info came from Crimaldi's book, so you be the judge relative to accurate/credibility.


http://archives.chicagotribune.com/1973/07/09/page/7/article/hired-killer-reveals-connection

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how can anybody identify every guy in that pic, right here on these posts we have some of the very best experts on the outfit anywhere in the country, right here!

now it bothers me that fosco can't answer these gentlemen that e- mail him. now im wondering about fosco's credibility on a lot of things.



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