No, Marty wasn't on record with anyone. From what I've heard he was actually kind of a nerd. But believe it it not, his father was a knockaround guy. And they say his uncle (his Dad's brother) might have gotten his button if he wasn't such a bad gambler. A lot of Johnny Boy was based on him.

Pizza there is really a Genovese made guy that has a property worth that much in his name!!???

How is the government not up his a$$!??

He's not a made guy. And whether they like it or not, the Government can't regulate the value of your land. They can try to seize it from you if it's ill gotten, but that's another topic all together.

Yeah that is sort of what I meant since it wasn't made legally but I think I know who you are referring to and they just invested in property back in the day and value has skyrocketed.

Not during my lifetime, Alex. But up until the '50s there were large pockets of Italians living in the South Bronx, especially around 149th Street. Then Lincoln Hospital came in and literally made many of them an offer they couldn't refuse. The buyouts from that hospital got many Italians out of poverty.

Off topic, Lincoln Hospital is widely considered to be a dump these days because of its location. But the truth is, they have one of the best trauma centers in the country. But sadly, that's only because they treat so many gunshot wounds. I wish that was a joke, but it's not.

It's common knowledge and a matter of public record anyway. But they own more property south of Houston street than any other privately owned real estate company in Manhattan. It's honestly mind boggling.

It makes me so mad!

Chris Rosenburg? Really?

The only answer to this question is Meyer Lanksy.

Lansky was the first to come to mind

can't forget Ben Siegel, though

Hey DB what's the name of their spot in NJ?
I had my wedding reception at Ponte's and was really sad to hear it closed.

Who is this guy PB?

The Pontes. No big deal. They're legitimate millionaires, their garbage fortune aside.

Nice one, check your PM mate.

I don't have a pm from you, Tommy. Send it again and I'll get back to you a little later. I have to run out for a few minutes right now. Christmas and all that.

Lansky is the obvious answer but I'll throw Steve Flemmi out there for the sake of conversation. Had all the status of a made guy more or less but kept everything he made to himself. Wonder if he paid tribute and to who.

George Bush JR..

Pick one...

Chicago guys

Jake Guzik

Murray HUmphries

Eddie Vogel

Gus Alex

Hyman Larner

New York guys

Arnold Rothstein

Dutch Shultz

Lepke Buchalter

Meyer Lansky

Owney Madden

Cleveland

Moe Dalitz

Pennsylvania

Frank Sheeran

Lansky...hands down, no one even close. He had international juice.

Hy Larner

Hi Barrett .

Right on. This dude was the "last of the mohicans".

During the mid 50's and early 60's he monopolized the coin machine business in and out of the country. For example Larner supplied countries from Central and South America with his gambling and other coin machines. He was also involved in smuggling weapons,narcotics and was also involved in white slavery.He was living the high life.He owned many yachts,cars and mansions.He also owned an oil company as legitimate business and invested in many airplane companies.

From the mid 70's untill the mid 80's he stayed in Panama and pumped the U.S. with video poker machines,which at the time was one of the biggest rackets for the Outfit.

In the early 90's he even faked his death by corrupting the Panamanian newspapers to publish his alleged death. He died quietly and as a rich man.He was arrested only once in his entire career.

Yeah i Agree After the hump was gone Hy larner was the most powerful non made member he was under world and upper world kind of guy for sure very Cloak & Daggers

Based on info furnished by Toodoped I would think Hy Larner. The guy was some kind of "wheeler-dealer."

I do know a little about Lansky, and he was certainly a smart man.

All these guys were smart and made significant contributions to various criminal organizations. And they all should have been incarcerated.

Can't help but think what they might have done in legitimate businesses.

Hey PB! Replied to your PM...did it send?

Here's one.

Powerful associates in each family.

think today alive is Michael persico. guy makes money and still only 56 57

for sheer complicity, it had to be j, edgar hoover. really now, the mob could not have existed without that fairy, turning a blind eye to them, they had to have loved that guy, he made them.

Good pick Binnie.

alfa. thank you.

Even if they was in legitmate businesses they still would have to whack a guy or two or take over a Country by proxy .

Barelli's on rt 3 by giants stadium . They have or had an interest

Very good restaurant , pricey , go to spot for guys , parking lot full of

Very expensive cars.

They own over 30 properties in the TriBeCa area as PB said

And to put that in perspective they recently sold the land

That ponte restaurant resided on for over $115M

Their net worth over $500M is probably conservative at this point

Plus they own a huge recycling company in NJ

These are both public and legit so I'm not giving any inside info

But they are one of the richest connected associates ever

The old man could of been made whenever he wanted and he had an

Untouchable status on par with any admin member but it just wasn't

Good business for his status to he formal . Not being made was just a

Formality . He was likely one of their biggest earners