NYMafia I dont thinks nobody is saying that a black groups have surpassed or as the same level than what the mafia was or still is. Everybody knows that the italians made this organized crime shit, and nobody in America will be as powerful that what the mafia did.
Me, I’m just saying that in 2021, and probably since the 2000s, many organized crime groups and even some street gangs are not scared of the mafia anymore

You have any extremely outdated view that stems from decades ago....Alot of these other racial groups make more money in a week than cosa nostra makes in a year through the drug trade and have infinitely more street presence than the Italians. The bikers are extremely organized and have roots going back 80 years... And to say a "bit elevated" in Canada is a joke..The Hells Angels in Canada were making over 100 million a year from drugs alone, not to mention the gambling and loan sharking theyre involved in

Yeah, a $100 million from drugs alone! LOL......... can you even count that high? Do you know what a $100,000,000 is?? Don't make me laugh

In 2021, there are very few groups more powerful than LCN. In New York alone, they are still the most powerful organized crime entity. You have NO IDEA what you're talking about. Those other groups are so dysfunctional and primitive that they have no chance of penetrating entire industries in the way the mafia has. I don't always see eye to eye with NYMafia, but he is absolutely spot on here. As wounded as the mafia is these days, they still hold more influence than any biker gang or any black gang.

Thank you Ralphie! Finally we agree on something. Lol..... I appreciate the affirmation

there was an article in GENTLEMEN'S QUARTERLY in I believe 2019. a federal prosecutor and an NYC prosecutor were interviewed about the state of the LCN and other groups. they both said forget about the other groups no one is even close to the LCN even in the present day.

I agree with a lot of what was written NYMafia, a lot but not all. The Italians aren't feared any longer period, however, the different sects of Bloods are feared. The Italians will NOT enter into the ghetto's any longer and will not try to control any area of a city. The Bloods/Crips control most of the inner cities and probably work with the Italians who live, play and sleep in the suburbs which is the single major problem with todays MOB. They're SOFT. Try and walk up to a five star Blood shoot him in the head, run to Brick, NJ see if that five stars sect doesn't wipe out your entire family for retribution. Not even arguable. Gambino's look weak and in turn the MOB looks weak. I guarantee the real street gangs are laughing at them. I'm not saying the street gangs are smarter or better organized, they aren't but they are tougher. As far as organization I agree completely the Italians are unmatched even now. But they're a crime family, they're not GANGSTERS anymore.

Thanks for that Faffy

One last thing, when you wrote about influence, very limited this day and age. @0 years and more ago yes, politicians. cops, judges all in their pocket no more tho

I can get a lot of views here.

At one hand, it's true no other criminal organization in North America even today has the reach the Mafia has. The FBI still designates them as the number one noteworthy type of organized crime.
Historically speaking no other criminal organization will ever achieve what LCN achieved - it was a "right time right place" situation. All of those other newer "crime threats" that were supposed to supplant LCN never actually got to their level. Not the "Russians", not the Albanians and, no, not the cartels. I mean, not even close.

On the other hand, when people are questioning whether LCN is still feared, they do have a point. Mess with a street/prison/biker gang member of a certain stature - whether they're Black, Hispanic, White Supremacist, Asian... - someone's gonna come knocking on your door to rape your wife and smash your kid's skull with a bat before they get medieval on your ass. That's the reputation these gangs have. The Mafia on the other hand...people are asking all that time whether they're still around. Of course they're still around - and they still have more money and resources than your average joe realizes - but still they're regarded as a relic of a bygone age. Their name isn't on the streets any longer.
Sally Daz got killed without any repercussions. Frank Cali got killed...no repercussions. Informants and rats are living the life and having a ball out in the open without fear of getting whacked...
Sure you can argue that LCN doesn't need the heat, but situations like these don't do much to change the fact that the street reputation of the Mafia is basically non-existent nowadays.

Without a doubt TKJ, you are correct in many things you say. But remember that a "dictate" came down years ago after repeated assaults by LE against LCN there was to be "no more killings" Period. It was a self-survival technique.

Now, the witness program and the DNA capabilities today have forced members and the bosses to retreat. They ARE in a retreat mode. And have been for over 20 years already.

But make NO mistake. There is NO black, hispanic, or biker gang member who would EVER knowingly challenge a bonafide Mafia member. And in my own life I've personally witnessed this more times than I care to discuss here.

Forget about challenging them, these other groups "revere" them. In prison, or on the streets, they fawn in respect before Cosa Nostra members.

The few times one of these fellas went up against the mafia, the VERY FEW times, they typically came away losers. The other members of these gangs would tell them, "what are you a nut???" "thats the mafia man!"

There are still thousands or inducted members nationwide. Not to mentioned many tens of thousands of associates..... and for every soldier who is not a hitter, there is one that is.

You think these upstarts wanna chance that?? No way! No how! We can debate this all day long. And you are free to believe whatever you like.... but I believe (with all my fiber) that what I'm telling you is the truth of the matter. Yesterday, today, and tomorrow!

Made men have been challenged. Gotti got his ass kicked in jail.
And I live in Montreal and Toronto. And trust me, mafia member have been challenged by haitian gang members in Montreal. And we are talking about made men and not associate.
We get it, the mafia are the most connected organized crime group. But they arr not feared like you think. Sure, a criminal will think twice before attacking a made men, but sometime it happens.
In the eastern part of montreal, gang members were attacking mafia’s hot spot, and not by the order of another mafia member. But by themself, and everybody from the neighborhood knows that

BM, I appreciate what you are saying. And I too know of incidents where connected guys were assaulted. By blacks, Spanish, Irish, Polish, Portoguese, Greeks, and others ethnicities.

Of course there are exceptions to every rule. It's natural. After all, people are only human. Some people don't think straight, or get heated and lash out. But in those rare instances, they usually pick their punches.

For instance, Gotti Sr was a sixty-some-odd-years old man, against a young, 6'-something, 250 pound black hood who had nothing to lose. He was doing life already, so what did he care? Plus he knew he had the advantage. What you gotta say, is that although greatly out-gunned because of age and size, Gotti still stepped up and threw punches. THATS a ballsy guy! Not the 250 pounder who damn well knew there would be NO retribution whatsoever because they were both locked down and he had the advantage.

I wonder if he would have raised his hands if they were both out (free) on the streets?? Lol.... I doubt it!! In fact I'd lay my bottom dollar he would have folded his balls between his legs and said excuse me Mr. Gotti!

Because if he pulled that shit on the street, LCN dictate or no dictate, he would have been hunted down and slaughtered where they found him. If not shot dead on the spot as he raised his hands..... FACT

and I dare say that 99.9% of any similar incidents you heard about are either false bravado, they pick their shots, or they are nut jobs.

But either way, even in 2021, it's extremely rare to hear.

Yes its rare. In the 90s it was rare because of fear. Now since de 2000s, its mostly rare, because if you have the privilege to talk to a made men, you are probably in the high sphere of the criminal world of youre city. So you won’t attack a made man, because you know you’ll probably be banned from many opportunities. Sure, maybe you will have a hit on youre head, but at this level, most criminals got hits on their heads, so......

In 2021, and i’m talking about Montreal or Toronto and not the US. Most gangsters respect the mob because of opportunities. The mob is the most well established organization in Canada, so to be against them, its like closing many doors.
So, gangsters won’t attack a mobster just like that, but its not because of fear.

BM, I still don't agree with your assessment, but I respect your right to your own viewpoint.

NYMafia most oof the things said are opinions loll. But its nice to talk about those stuf.

That's why they're still regarded as the most important criminal organization imho; even in this day and age the mob is still the most resourceful, they still have their fingers in all the pies and their reach is still the furthest. If you're a serious criminal wanting to make a buck it's still much more profitable working with the mob and going against them will get you nowhere at the end of the day.

I don't think the American mafia is being mocked by other criminal organizations; they're definitely respected, but the way I see it, it's not out of fear or the threat of violence.

Italy of course, is a different ballgame. If a locally active Nigerian, Albanian or Chinese criminal would lay his hands on for instance a high ranking Camorra or Ndrangheta member he would see his sweatshop getting torched and his family being killed and dissolved in a barrel of acid in no time.

I think juste like you. In Italy, the italian crime groups got 10000 of italians that are ready to pull the trigger. While in Canada, many of the mob hits are made by other groups, blacks, bikers, whites or others. Sure you still got italians who do hits, but the mob don’t have the same street power than before, bbecause you see less young italians that are about that thug life, they will do scam etc. But they are not stone cold killers like the young ones in some poor neighborhoods

The assessment and contrast from Italy to the U.S. is very true. That much we do agree on.

Frank Smith, a hitman of the Coney Island-based Rival Impact gang, gunned down rivals in war with Thirty-O Crew. He was sentenced to life in prison on Monday: https://gangstersinc.org/profiles/b...the-coney-island-based-rival-impact-gang

What about the Gemini Crew and the Cuban Crisis? Castellano didn't want any part of the Cubans or Columbians and it makes you wonder how they would have fared in an all out war against Griselda Blanco or Sal Magluta and Willie Colon. What about The Medellin and Cali Cartels, you have Escobar, Carlos Lehder etc.

Coney Island West End Enterprise hitman sentenced to 32 years for murder and extortion of public works https://gangstersinc.org/blog/coney-island-west-end-enterprise-hitman-sentenced-to-32-years-for

Interesting article didn't realise smm had a set in Brooklyn, always thought they were Bronx based