I wonder how Native American crime rates compare to crime rates for blacks and latinos.

Interesting question to discuss but first I want to ask was you from El Paso? (I forgot which city) I'm going to speak on the black gangs first then city crimes later.

Black gangs are territorial due to the drug trade and community identity. Drug markets vary from city to city yet the operational methods are about the same. It's operated like a corner store or fast food franchise which relies on location and customers. Therefore, if a gang is making tens of thousands of dollars weekly or more than their business is lucrative. Just like any legit business it's about location. Now if competition set up shop near the area than customers will be pulled away, which brings either killings or mergers into place. Community identity or pride goes along with it because that's where they originated or lived and that's with everybody. NYers have their boroughs beef (Brooklyn vs Queens), Chitown different sides/communities ( West side vs South side), Next door cities high school sports teams, etc.

Fragmentation varies tremendously from group to group. The causes are different leaderships, personal affairs,greed, informants, and law arrests/indicents. Monolithic groups/organizations have been the incorrect view of many groups such as Crips, Bloods, Surenos, Nortenos, 18st, Folks/People Nation, UBN, and even La Cosa Nostra. It's just the umbrella identity and every group is independent. GDs have suffered fragmentation the heaviest in Chicago due to indictments & internal leadership. Crips have been the football kicked in many conversations as examples of fragmented groups but that's completely false since some gangs existed before the formation and after it was meant to be a partnership among different gangs to resolve conflicts not a monolithic syndicate.

Is it too much work? Are they more comfortable dealing drugs? Is the math too hard?

It's the numbers game for l.a black gangs too. Think about this: East Coast Crips have about 2,600 members in L.A city then who knows how many in SoCal jails/pens, so if a ECC member goes to the pen than why answer to another group when yours have numbers?

That's because location, Mackinblack007.

La Eme started from mexican gangs in L.A then spread its membership and network throughout SoCal. BGF started in the Bay Area , Crips/Bloods/Hoovers in the L.A metro. There's a difference in criminal culture of NorCal & SoCal. Most from my understanding is that major cities (not all of course) don't care for crips/bloods and instead you have local crews/gangs.

Gangs and politicians

No account of city politics and gangs would be complete without mentioning the federal case against the former 20th Ward alderman Arenda Troutman. When Troutman pleaded guilty in 2008 to tax fraud and taking payoffs from developers, the case made for lurid headlines. It wasn’t necessarily because of her crimes—bribe-taking and tax-cheating aldermen have been a dime a dozen in the City Council. Rather, it was because of Troutman’s romantic relationship with Donnell Jehan, a leader of the Black Disciples, one of the city’s most ruthless and feared gangs, which ran a $300,000-a-day drug operation on the South Side.


Troutman’s case serves as a vivid example of how gangs and public officials can be a toxic mix. The six-year federal investigation unearthed evidence that Troutman had helped Jehan and the reputed king of the Black Disciples, Marvel Thompson, acquire properties and allowed them to rehab buildings without permits. She had also helped them get jobs for young gang members, either through city-run programs or by threatening builders to hire gang crews on job sites. Authorities further suspected that Troutman, or others in her office, may have alerted the gang to police operations. Thompson and Jehan, meanwhile, mobilized their members to do political work for Troutman. Records show that they had also given her thousands in cash, from drug profits and the gang’s street tax.

Through it all, Troutman insisted that she thought she was dealing with legitimate businessmen. “They talked like businessmen,” she told reporters. “They were dressed like businessmen. They had business to discuss.” (Chicago’s request for comment from Troutman, who is still incarcerated, went unanswered.)

Troutman was not the only politician to get into bed with the Black Disciples. Calvin Omar Johnson, a former gang leader and a friend of Thompson’s, who testified on Thompson’s behalf at his sentencing hearing, says every politician on the South and Near West Sides—from the aldermen up to the congressmen—tried to woo Thompson. “Everybody in that area, everybody in that neighborhood, every elected official in that community asked Marvel for help,” says Johnson. “And Marvel helped them.”

Further, three law enforcement sources involved in the federal probe of the gang confirm that two other local politicians besides Troutman—a sitting alderman and an unsuccessful aldermanic candidate—became ensnared in the government’s investigation. The two were interviewed by federal investigators but were never charged.

This is a little off topic but goes into the overall theme of this topic, is that many of these fragmented gang cities have to due with what PB stated with the lily white liberals going all the way back to LBJ and his great society and their attempts to "even the playing field so to speak" and you couple that with those towns are all or were heavlily union dominated and raising the wages of the workers at ridiculous rates for their factory jobs for many major US companies. Those companies saw the writing on the wall and moved their plants to other countries rather than pay the union wages. White flight from Newark, Detroit, Cleveland, etc, decimated those towns to where they are today. Liberal run cities, heavily taxed, mismanagement of funds and corruption destroyed all these cities and destroyed jobs and hope and opportunity and continue to this day. Easier to sling rock than it is to learn a legal trade, go to college, join the military. Detroit is bankrupt, atlnatic city is a shithole, cleveland doesnt rock, chicago is a war zone, north and west philly are under seige. Giuliani saw what was going on and for better or worse fixed NYC before it became its own war zone in manhattan and the other boroughs. Start holding people accountable get rid of cycles of welfare and government housing and you clean up half the mess. Continue with these great society liberal utopiansm and you have the destruction of many more cities.

http://gangsterreport.com/the-detroit-drug-wars-part-2/2/

Operations within the Curry organization were significantly aided by Johnny’s influential contacts outside the drug industry. Little Man had allies in almost every nook and cranny of the city’s political structure, deep inroads that reached all the very top of the Mayor’s office. Most of these connections were consummated the day Johnny married Cathy Volsan, a favored niece of longtime Mayor Coleman A. Young that he treated as a daughter.

“Cathy was a ghetto princess,” said one former FBI agent. “She was beautiful, educated and carried herself in a very high-powered manner. But for some reason, she was attracted to drug dealers. I don’t know if it was a rebellion thing, growing up around the Mayor’s mansion or whatnot, but she strictly dated dopers. And big time guys, with lots of juice already without her in the picture. Landing Cathy Curry was like bagging the kingfish. It was a prize. Being with Cathy meant you were tied into the mainframe of the mother ship. She provided the kind of access criminals killed to have. When Little Man married Cathy, he went from just another big time dealer to being practically untouchable. I say practically because he wound up getting busted, but only after he stayed around probably a good five years longer than he should have.”

Coleman A. Young was Detroit’s first ever black Mayor and served five terms in office. While in the first half of Young’s two decades in the Mayor’s office, the diminutive, yet extremely charismatic grassroots politician was celebrated. In contrast, the final half of his time on top was plagued by increasing violence on the city’s streets and constant speculation of wrongdoing.

Heavily investigated by the FBI, IRS and DEA for a variety of alleged illegal activity Young was never charged with a single crime, leaving office in 1993 with a complex legacy plagued with speculation about his ties to, among other things, the local underworld Specifically, rumors abounded for years related Young’s connection to the area’s drug industry. It started in the 1970s with investigations by multiple government agencies regarding narcotics activity possibly being conducted out of his family’s restaurant, Young’s BBQ, and concluded as he left office with rampant accusations of corruption and convictions of several members of his inner-circle for running a police-sponsored protection racket for drug dealers both in-state and out.

Many of Young’s problems latter in his Mayoral tenure could be traced directly back to the soft spot he held in his heart for his niece, Cathy, a drug-addicted street corner diva with a penchant for associating with some of the city’s most dangerous and high-profile felons. The daughter of Young’s sister Juanita and his close friend Willie Volsan, a longtime alleged associate of a number of area drug kingpins, Cathy was the apple of her uncle’s eye and he spoiled her. He also watched her back intently.

During court proceedings in the 1990s, it would come out that Young personally authorized around the clock private security for Cathy provided by a special service unit of the Detroit Police Department. Orders to the unit were expressly not to disrupt the activities of the Cathy’s criminal associates, but to merely make certain if any violence erupted in her presence that it be thwarted and she be shuttled to safety immediately. The top secret security detail was on duty from 1985, when the Mayor’s niece married Johnny Curry, through 1988 when she was conducting an affair and sharing living quarters with her husband’s right hand man, White Boy Rick Wershe.

Through the years, Cathy was a fixture at the Mayor’s residence, the Manoogian Mansion and through her uncle was introduced to some very powerful people. One of these people was then Detroit Police Commander Gil Hill, whom she became very close to. Some federal investigators claim too close.

Besides holding several top positions within the DPD, Hill gained minor Hollywood celebrity in 1984 when he appeared in the smash film Beverly Hills Cop as star Eddie Murphy’s superior officer on the Detroit Police force. In 1989, he would be elected as Detroit City Council President and eventually stage an unsuccessful Mayoral campaign in 1996. Between his brush with movie fame and his foray into local politics, however, Hill was investigated by the FBI for reputed connections to none other than Cathy’s husband, Johnny Curry.

Cathy testified under oath in 1992 that Hill tipped her and Curry off in 1986 about their home telephone being bugged by federal surveillance experts. Later that year, a Detroit News article reported an on-going investigation into Hill’s possible role in leaking information and taking a payoff from Curry to impede progress in the case of a gangland homicide that was allegedly pointing in the direction of Curry and his crew.

The homicide was that of 13-year old Damion Lucas, an innocent bystander struck by a bullet in a drive-by shooting aimed at his uncle, a rival Curry drug dealer, on April 29 1985. Lucas’ uncle had allegedly screwed the Curry brothers on hotel reservations in Las Vegas for the Marvin Hagler-Tommy Hearns fight the gang had attended fight weeks earlier. According to Curry him and Cathy met with Hill in his office the day after the Lucas murder and were informed that a member of Curry’s crew was the top suspect in the crime. Hill then allegedly told them, “You have nothing to worry about,” and according to Curry, accepted a bribe of $10,000 in cash to keep him and his inner-circle out of the investigation. Although he admits to speaking with Cathy on the phone the day after the Lucas homicide, he denies disrupting the investigation related to the murder and taking any money to help shield Curry from harm.

I think because it's not that fast money activity that lures them like drug trafficking, prostitution, nor fraud per say. By now you would expect some indictments but I bet if you look at arrest report then some of them may be gang affiliated.

Because Mexican Americans living in Texas border towns don't share the victim mentality of some of the urban Blacks that you're referring to.

Young Blacks today---especially the men---are taught that it's okay to live down to a certain stereotype because it's not their fault. And they often get this message from lily white liberals living in suburbia, but commuting to their inner city jobs as social workers and guidance counselors.

Zero accountability for who they are. Because it's all whitey's fault anyway. And let me be clear, not all Blacks are like this. But the demographic that you're referring to certainly fits the bill.

so you know what's being taught in black households?

I steadfastly believe that if pizzaboy and cookcounty got to know each other, they would be best friends.

I steadfastly believe that if pizzaboy and cookcounty got to know each other, they would be best friends.

I steadfastly believe that if pizzaboy and cookcounty got to know each other, they would be best friends.

I steadfastly believe that if pizzaboy and cookcounty got to know each other, they would be best friends.

Pizza would need a stroke or traumatic brain injury to find any sort of common ground with cook.

Is it all over the whole which pizza is better New York's or Chicago's thing?

Pizza would need a stroke or traumatic brain injury to find any sort of common ground with cook.