Ain't that the fuckin truth .

Pizzaboy's Old Man: Is his money green?

the book " sins of the father" goes into the lobotomy,
it was a horrible thing to do to one of your very own children.
it was done because rosemary was slow, and joe kennedy wanted perfect children,

in the book, its mentioned that he never told his wife rose, that he took rosemary to a doctor, a man who won't tell his wife the shameful thing he did to his daughter!
he was a viscious, mean spirited, myth maker. I refuse to believe his myths, when facts prove him wrong.

I always hated the kennedys.....

What old man Joe did to his daughter was as bad as it gets, From what I've read she wasn't even that bad. Basically she was rebellious, She smoked and dated around a little.

After the frontal lobotomy back when they actually used an ice pick like device and went in above the eye socket that poor girl never spoke again and was unable to feed herself.

She was just a little wild by 1930's standards and for that they turned her into a living dead person.

Very sad....

And Bobby....with his bug fucking mouth. Pissing off LCN and Hoover. Then you have JFK who totally fucked those poor Cubans at the bay of pigs.

Then John John.....Flying in a storm before he was instrument certified killed not only his wife but the little sister. With all his fucking money he could have easily chartered a plane or hired an instrument certified co pilot...pure Kennedy ego.

Then you've got Teddy and William Smith. I used to play gigs in the Au Bar. I heard a ton of drunk uncle Teddy stories. And then theres Mary Jo Kopekne who was ALIVE for something like 40 minutes breathing from the air pockets in the submerged car. But no, Teddy had to call his lawyers first the next morning to get his story strait.

I could go on.....but why???

Sal

salvi,62,.. im like you, ive read about them extentsively,
and they all have this sense of privilege, and they all hold themselves above the law.

they are shameless, and everything about them is covered up. I am definetly no fan of the kennedys!!

That's my pal, Salvi .

Binnie or Pizzaboy, how do you do that? How do you show a post of someone else within a post of someone else?

Hit the quote button.

I guess I'm making it more complex than it really is. Other people post threads within their message, and it can scroll up and down. Never done that. Is that more than one set of quote unquote commands?

Just hit quote, and when you see this [/quote] at the bottom of the portion you want to quote, hit return and start typing underneath. When you're done, hit preview to make sure you did it right. Then hit submit.

Thanks PB

I'm getting there. The way you guys do it and make it scroll up and down in it's own window is not as obvious as one might think. I'm intermediate on computers and this actually takes some consideration.

No problem. Any time, buddy.


Same here. I was very late to the Internet party. I bought my first computer in 2004. I was 45 years old at the time. And I'm completely self taught, but I get by okay.

I was stubborn. I didn't even get my first cell phone until 2006. Didn't want to get married to a gadget...which is basically exactly what eventually happened.

Well, I lived in Detroit and I heard that Joe was importing booze from Canada, which is only across the Detroit River.

I zipped across the Ambassador Bridge on my Vespa anytime I liked to go to Canada. So safe compared to Detroit, LOL.

That way, you don't have to manufacture booze, just buy and then re-sell the stuff distilled in Canada.

In the early 1920's Kennedy clashed with Detriots Purple gang.Reports say that he smuggled booze through their turf with out their permission.Sotry goes that the gang issued a contract on Joe's life and it was Chicago's Diamond Joe Esposito who cancelled the contract.Diamond Joe had the power to that because he was running a big part of the sugar business in the mid west and had close ties with the Purple gang

but this does not mean necessarily that he was bootlegging. only that he was not willed to pay the gang

If it was in the early 20's,during prohibtion.He smuggled booze into the U.S. which was illegal

as i said, not necessarily! it was possible under legal medicinal permits, which he had.

It may be possible.Gambling lord Jim O'Leary made the same trick,by having a pharmacy licence for distributing alchohol.In fact he was bootlegging

but this does not mean necessarily that he was bootlegging. only that he was not willed to pay the gang [/quote]







Joseph Kennedy imported booze from Canada through Detroit, which was illegal, regardless of how you put it, if you got caught you were labeled a bootlegger. But it's not just that, it's almost public record now that he sold that booze through Italians who were connected to various Crime Families all over America, the Detroit Families being one of them. He also had deals set up with Frank Costello in NY.

Iam sure you have some substantial proof to backup your claims. For example, the one and only source who stated that Kennedy had deals with Costello was - Costello. Later, Bonanno claimed the same, Kennedy was in Business with him during Prohibition. Do i have to say that this is no proof? At least for me.

Actually the source for the Costello thing, isn't Costello. It was Doris Kearns, an historian who had access to some of Kennedy's papers and discovered evidence that supported Costello's claim and that of Meyer Lansky's that he also had illegal dealings with Kennedy during prohibition. Kennedy had already gone into prohibition with stocks of liquor from his father, also on the day Prohibition ended, like the exact day, he'd already had three franchises of British Whiskey & Gin, and a company to import them. Is it just coincidence that he was able to accomplish such a thing on the exact day prohibition ended, possibly, but unlikely. He probably had inside dealings. And he guarded those closely until his death, then somehow these papers came into the hands of Kearns.


And the term "smuggling" insinuates a crime within itself, so if he was smuggling anything in Detroit, in all actuality he was a bootlegger. He imported and distributed liquor to the States, while it was illegal to do so. What does that make him?

Right on. It would be great if we could post Doris Kearns' materials to this website....to put the issue to rest once and for all.

A little known fact about him is that he owned 3 Hollywood film studios in the late 1920s just as the talkies were taking off. I read about his ventures in a book about the early years of the movie industry in LA. He doesn't come across as a very pleasant individual and some 'strongarm' tactics are hinted at when it comes to dealing with rival studios.

like what he did to alexander pantages, who owned a chain of movie theatres that ole joe wanted, so, what did he do?

he gave 10.000 dollars to a woman who had a ten year old daughter, who claimed that pantages raped her, it was a lie.

the girl later admitted her mother was given 10,ooo dollars by joe kennedy. the accusation ruined pantages, he also stole money from Gloria swanson she tells her story in her book.

the pantages story comes from "sins of the father" by Ronald Kessler. and that's just the tip of the iceberg with this guy.

If Joe Kennedy was capable of those kinds of actions, I wouldn't be surprised if bootlegging was one of the less serious laws he broke.

alfa. yes, if you can, find out what the british people thought of him, when he was ambassador to England in the 2nd world war.

It's just typical that the Kennedy's catch all the shit for their alleged misdeeds yet nobody obsesses over that hayseed podunk hick Jimmy Carter's buffoonery in the Iran Hostage Crisis and the nepotism over his brother, the downright evil shit the Bush dynasty has been involved in over the last 50 years not limited to their friendship, funding and enabling of Bin Laden and those bastions of moral fortitude Tricky Dick and Ron Reagan.

GTF over it like.

@Moe: You're sticking up for an Irish scumbag the same way that some of these kids stick up for Italian thugs. And you're not wrong in calling them out for it. But you have to be consistent, son.

Jimmy Carter's an asshole, and a rabid anti-Semite to boot. But again, Jimmy Carter being an inept Jew hater, and John Gotti being an Italian American sociopath, doesn't make the Kennedys squeaky clean by any stretch of the imagination.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Ever.

good post. p.b. you are sooooooooo right!

the irony that he was a bootlegger and his son was a criminal buster. yea i think he was a bootlegger.