I figured. Thanks

any info on those 'ndrines? Clan names, connections?

Here in Hamilton my friend we have basically we have a few groups that have power, you have of course the Musitano's, Italiano and his guys, Luppino family still holds weight then you still have the Violi boys and last but not least the biker's work with all of them.

That is what we have here in the Hammer buddy, out of them all the Musitano's hold the most power when you speak with people around here no on disputes that no one here fucks with the Musitano's.

interesting. I always thought tha (violi aside) they were LCN, not ndrangheta.

is there a membership estimate for these groups?

thanks for the intel

What I listed is both Lcn and Ndrine and yes the Violi's are Lcn.

There have been rumors that Arcadi had fallen out of favor when Rizzuto returned to Montreal because Arcadi had made his own coke deals back in the days. Plus during Arcadi's tenure as street boss war broke out that eventually led to the murder of Nick Rizzuto. So it would be suprising to say the least if Arcadi will be named the new boss as if nothing ever happened. I'm sure there are still a lot of people who hold a grudge towards him and along with his notorious hotheadedness that might lead to a new uprising. Time will tell.

Also, there are no 150 made guys in Montreal. Rizzuto himself was quoted saying in 2001 that there were 19 made guys in Montreal. These guys formed the old Bonanno crew that became disfunctional after Sciascia was killed as he was the direct link between Montreal and New York. However, the Montreal Mafia does have hundreds of associates, many of whom are of Italian descent. So in terms of muscle they can compare themselves with a New York family. But the Montreal Mafia consists of multiple factions.

So they had 19 made guys back then, about half of them have been killed.

atleast 10 of them were murder sure theres a list somewhere. they still havebt found the brother inlaws body. the guy whose bmw was found running down the street from his house. what if hes alive and comes home just went on along trip to florida. in the last few yers they killed the iron worker the guy I mexico and the old guy in his driveway a week after vito got home. I had this theory that vito killed everyone that was a made bonanno. I read that book 6th family and theres a pic of all the made guys and like everyone got merked. wait ing to find out who ever reads the cicale book who rizzuto was still sendind tribute in nyc till he got arrested in 2004. thought there ws a wiretap were rizzuto was heard telling vinny gorgeous he wasn't allowed in montreal.

I seriously doubt Rizzuto was sending tributes to anyone after Sciascia was killed and not totally sure he was even then.

As for Renda they ain't finding him and he ain't turning up anywhere any time soon.

Also you can't count Sal Montagna as a made guy in Montreal either, but the others were made guys in the GTA.

Ofcourse besides the old Bonanno crew members, there are also made guys operating in Montreal that belong to other families, such as members of the Cun trera-Caruana clan. Nowadays there are only a handful of old Bonanno crew members left, unless ofcourse new guys have been made. There is hardly any evidence of that, but it cannot be ruled out given the fact that they are so secretive. Two years ago a drug operation linked to the Bonanno family was dismantled in Montreal, which was somewhat suprising.

Man I wish someone high up in the Montreal faction would flip so we could get some concrete information on what happened to the Bonanno-Montreal relationship, when exactly it split and why. I think we have a fairly good picture, but much of it seems based on speculative possibilities.

To me it seems as though the seams began to split as soon as the Rizzutos took over but didn't come completely apart until just before the Sciascia hit and was possibly the catalyst for said hit. Wikipedia, citing "the sixth family", claims that Sciascia kept taking Rizzuto's side in disagreements with Massino and began acting more independently, making him a possible threat to Massino's leadership.

That won't happen until the laws here change sentences here are too light and because of that there is no need for anyone to flip.

For anyone who's been keeping up with the charbonneau commission hearings-

http://montrealgazette.com/news/local-ne...neau-commission

http://www.cjad.com/cjad-news/2014/11/11/politicians-say-no-to-deals-with-organized-crime

That's exactly right. When you're only looking at ten or twelve years for a murder, there's really no need for a Witsec Program up there.

I'm ready for the Desjardins trial to see what evidence they actually have on those messages.

They don't seem to have much issue getting bikers to flip on their MC's, I think it's more than light sentencing, although that certainly plays a significant role.

it's undeniable that avoiding jail time is the #1 reason why people flip but there might be someone who'll jump ship for another reason

like saving his life or getting back at those who muscled him out for instance

not to mention born-again christians

French-language media outlet TVA Nouvelles is speculating that Stefano Sollecito is Vito Rizzuto's successor.

Un successeur potentiel pour Vito Rizzuto?

Link:

http://tvanouvelles.ca/lcn/infos/faitsdivers/archives/2014/11/20141118-214921.html

I'm still not so sure Rocco is not the real boss behind the scenes and I still laugh at Leonardo being the boss. It just doesn't make sense as Leonardo never got his hands dirty.

The Montreal law enforcement doesn't seem to lean on the Rizzutos much at all. It was the same thing with the HA/Rock Machine war. Very little was done until there was a tremendous amount of public backlash.

Could be corruption or just lazy police work. Regardless, I still think ten years of your life is a lot to give up. Heck, even five years in the prison system would be a lot to me. Probably a good thing i'm not involved in crime of any kind.

PALERMO, SICILY — After release from a U.S. prison, Canada’s embattled Mafia boss Vito Rizzuto summoned top henchmen to secret meetings in Cuba and the Dominican Republic to plot revenge on rivals, a court in Italy has heard.

And mobsters who didn’t accept his invitation were among his first targets.

An extensive wiretap probe in Palermo against a mobster from Canada who was living in Sicily reveals tantalizing details about the recent Mafia war that killed more than 40 people in Montreal, Toronto, Mexico and Italy.

“It’s like the saying goes — when the cat’s away the mice will play,” veteran mobster Juan Ramon Fernandez said about disloyalty to Rizzuto while he was in prison.

“But mice can only dance for a while, because they’re small,” he added as a warning of Rizzuto’s power.

Police in Palermo were secretly recording all of Fernandez’s phone calls at the time, capturing gangsters gossiping and scheming. The wiretaps are being presented at a murder trial in Palermo.

Rizzuto’s trips south allowed him to plot privately with his senior men about the attacks on his family, including the murders of his eldest son and father, police said.

Months before Rizzuto’s scheduled release from prison on Oct. 5, 2012, his friends were already making plans.

Fernandez frequently spoke with a man identified in court as Frank Campoli, 58, a Toronto businessman who is related by marriage to the Rizzuto family. Mr. Campoli said Rizzuto was planning a trip to Cuba on Nov. 22 and asked Fernandez to come, court heard.

“Yes, I’ll come, I’ll come,” said Fernandez.

Fernandez then immediately called a friend in Toronto, identified in court as Rosario Staffiere, 55, owner of a limousine rental firm, and told him of his conversation.

“He wanted to put me to the test,” Fernandez said. “He wanted to know if I still want to see him [Rizzuto], and I said ‘Yes, of course.’”

Then, he added with a laugh: “Take a shot in the f—ing head? Of course I’m going to see him.”

On the day of Rizzuto’s release, Fernandez again spoke with Mr. Campoli, court heard. “How is he?” Fernandez asked.

“I don’t know where the hell he went,” answered Mr. Campoli. “He didn’t want to be seen with anyone right now, know what I mean?”

A couple of days later, Fernandez was connected on a three-way call with a man referred to as “Number One,” whom police say was Rizzuto.

“Ray?” Rizzuto asked, using Fernandez’s nickname. “How are you?” But the phone connection was terrible. Everyone kept asking if the others could hear them.

“I can’t hear s—,” said Fernandez.

“I feel far away,” said Rizzuto.

The connection had faded — unless Rizzuto was voicing a larger metaphor of alientation.

Violence returned to Quebec along with Rizzuto.

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A Perfect Gangster A Perfect Gangster

On Nov. 5, 2012 — a month after Rizzuto’s release and two weeks before his Cuba trip — Joseph Di Maulo, a veteran Quebec mobster, was gunned down in his driveway, a murder seen as the first volley of Rizzuto’s revenge.

Fernandez immediately phoned Canada asking about the shooting. He called a Montreal man identified in court as Antonio Carbone, 79, who was close to the mobsters.

Mr. Carbone said Rizzuto’s opponents were afraid, staying indoors, wearing bulletproof vests or driving armoured cars.

“The important ones are hiding,” Mr. Carbone said. “A few big names will soon feel…” he said, with his words trailing off.

The two men noted several Rizzuto opponents, alleged in court to be linked to the Mafia in Montreal, including: Tony Magi, a Montreal construction magnate; Tony Mucci, a man long alleged to be a senior member of the Mafia; Moreno Gallo, a longtime mafiosi; and Raynald Desjardins, a francophone gangster and brother-in-law of the murdered Mr. Di Maulo.

The Di Maulo murder worried Fernandez because he was close to Mr. Desjardins, who was identified in court as the leader of the rebellion against Rizzuto.

He decided not to go to Cuba and urgently tried to reach Rocco Sollecito, a member of Rizzuto’s inner circle, to explain why. Mr. Sollecito declined to take the call, court was told.

After missing the trip, the tone of Fernandez’s conversations with Rizzuto’s friends changed.

“You didn’t go there?” Mr. Carbone asked him, apparently surprised.

“No, no, I’m busy. I’m busy, Antonio,” replied Mr. Fernandez.

“You’re busy, huh?”

“Yes, f—, yes, busy.”

Fernandez was invited on a second trip, this one to Mexico in early January 2013, although police were uncertain if Rizzuto was personally there, and Fernandez again made excuses for not going.

For Rizzuto’s next trip to meet his men, Fernandez was not invited.

On Jan. 17, 2013, Fernandez spoke again with Mr. Carbone about Rizzuto, using the nickname “the Tall Guy,” police said.

“He left for the Republic, as they call it, Dominican Republic,” said Mr. Carbone.

“Who’s there?” Fernandez asked, sounding surprised, “the Tall Guy?”

“Yes.”

Three months later, Fernandez was ambushed and killed in Sicily. The men arrested for his murder are now on trial in Palermo and part of the evidence being presented is Fernandez’s links to the mob in Canada.

In an interview, Lt.-Col. Fabio Bottino, head of Palermo’s Carabinieri ROS, an anti-Mafia police unit, said the level of violence in Canada’s Mafia war is astounding.

“There were many more homicides from this war in Canada than in all of Sicily; many, many more.”

He said the wiretaps offer the best glimpse into Rizzuto’s response to the coup attempt.

The men on the wiretaps generally spoke English and authorities in Italy translated them for presentation in court.

Mr. Gallo was murdered in Mexico in November 2013. Mr. Rizzuto died a month later of natural causes.

The trial against two brothers, Pietro and Salvatore Scaduto, charged with murdering Fernandez, continues in Palermo.

National Post

Not sure if anyone posted that article yet but its a really good read

Yea it's been posted in another thread.

Link:

http://www.journaldequebec.com/2014/11/18/la-police-sinvite-dans-une-fete-mafieuse

Translation (using Googke Translate)

The police is invited in a mafia party
Le Journal de Québec
Tuesday, November 18, 2014, 9:12 p.m.

The police recently invited to the anniversary of an Italian criminal described as the rising star of the Montreal Mafia.

On 29 October, Stefano Sollecito, the son of the alleged interim sponsor of the Montreal mafia, was celebrating his 47th birthday at the cafe Lounge 5 Jarry Street East, Montreal, north of Little Italy, with several individuals linked to organized crime.

Among the sixty guests, the police recognized several familiar faces from the mafia. According to our sources, they also saw representatives of the Hells Angels and street gangs.

These investigators squad Eclipse SPVM responsible to prevent violent crimes in the bars of the city, took the opportunity to renew their "photo album" to use police jargon.

"They were more taking notes, asking everyone their license. They stayed for nearly two hours, "said a source who witnessed the events, who asked not to be identified.

Interim godfather

Stefano Solliceto [Sollecito] is none other than the son of Rocco Sollecitto [Sollecito], identified as the acting mob boss, according to several sources.

This faithful lieutenant Vito Rizzuto (see box) would have allowed the Montreal underworld to find common ground to calm the wars caused by the vacuum left by the deaths of three Rizzuto Jr. Nicolo, Nicolo and finally Vito.

According to our information, attend the anniversary of Stephano [Stefano] Sollecito was advised to all those who wanted to be (or remain) in the good graces of the family.

Known character

Stephano [Stefano] Sollecito was sentenced, inter alia, to four years in prison in 2003 for ecstasy in an attempt to expand the Montreal Mafia in Toronto traffic.

It has been observed many times by the RCMP now famous Club Social Cosenza in the mills of anti-mafia operation Colosseum, as well as bar Laennec Laval. It has also been seen playing golf with mafia Francesco Arcadi and former Godfather himself, Vito Rizzuto.

It is he who escorted the deceased sponsor at the Montreal-Trudeau airport on his departure for the Dominican Republic in January 2013.

The police reports say that the 2007 Stefano could be used as a "drug courier" by his father.

"Of course if several major criminals were invited to the feast of Stefano, the sure sign that he takes the gallon. This guy started in the street and he brewed not bad. It is quite possible that the mafia has made a MadeMan (a man of honor), "recounts a police source.

Successor

"The Rizutto have vowed not to leave power in the hands of others. Now that fell Rizzuto and Leonardo Rizzuto (the only son still living Vito) is tipped to succeed his father, it would fall under the direction Rocco Solicetto [Sollecito] may designate his son to manage criminal family business "said the former head of criminal intelligence SPVM, Richard Dupuis.

Reached by our Bureau of Investigation, the owner of the Lounge 5 did not seem too bothered by the presence of Eclipse home.

"They (Stephano [Stefano] and guests) have eaten at the restaurant next door and some came here then, he said. The police did not take pictures inside, they were correct bin. "

- In collaboration with Marie-Pier Cloutier

on the same site:

Arson occurred early Monday at the Ristorante La Cantina, a facility known among other things for its ancient links with the mafia Montreal scene and located in the borough of Ahuntsic-Cartierville in Montreal.

The fire started around 1 am in the facility located at the intersection of West Legendre Street and Saint-Laurent Boulevard. Police were called to the scene because the alarm was triggered for a break. Upon arrival, patrol found instead start a fire.

The flames were quickly brought under control by firefighters, requested to the scene.

"Some elements on the stage predict leave a incendiary device was launched commercially," said the spokesman of the police department of the City of Montreal, Sewing Handbook. Investigators from the arson division appraised the scene overnight.

Ristorante La Cantina had headlines in August 2009 when one of the owners of the establishment, Federico Del Peschio, was shot dead in the restaurant parking lot. It was very close to Vito Rizzuto and his father, Nicolo.

Again, this misconception of guys must having to have gotten their hands dirty to be inducted into a crime family, is just that, a misconception. I've always known Leonardo to be the clean one, according sources, the closest he got to his fathers life was being a lawyer for the family itself. However, things change, Frank DeSimone was a lawyer for other wiseguys before becoming the boss of the LA Family. I'm just saying, Leonardo being in the thick of things as far as administration for the Montreal Family, isn't out of the realm of possibility.

I don't mean he got dirty as in popping anyone nor do I think you have to. But I sure as hell don't see everyone falling in line with Leonardo either. He was in on most of Vito's legit dealings and more than likely a good bit of dirty dealings too, but he has never been thought of as a gangster. That's what I mean by getting his hands dirty. Now that everyone around him is dead I seriously doubt he changes career paths.

+1

Leonardo Rizzuto isnt a gangster and its highly unlikely he's made let alone likely to form part of the admin.

You don't have to be a gangster to be apart of a crime family though. Tommy Gambino wasn't a gangster, Michael Francheze wasn't a gangster, hell, Paul Castellano later on in his life stopped being a gangster. Anything is possible, the fact that Leonardo being in it is even being reported in Montreal, attest's to that.

But people like Tommy Gambino wasn't supposed to be running the family either, like they are claiming Leonardo was supposedly doing. Big Paul wasn't a gangster later in life like say Dellacroce, but he robbed and ran numbers in his younger years so yea you could say he was a gangster. Just because he tried to change his image doesn't mean he was never a gangster.

Check my post in the "can a guy become a boss without killing" thread. I already stated Big Paul was a gangster in his younger years. But that's not why he was instilled as boss, he was made boss because of his know-how in the white collar crimes. And again, Frank DeSimone was a mob lawyer before becoming boss, he isn't known for doing anything too violent aside from raping a underlings wife, depending what side you believe. I'm just saying, Leonardo having a position in the adminstration, or running things solo, isn't out of the realm of possibility.