Except nobody, including the feds, are saying Peter Gotti is the boss right now. It's only because of the feds that we know Dom Cefalu took over and Peter Gotti no longer holds that position. And, while many on these forums want to believe otherwise, Peter Gotti was definitely the boss for a time after John died in prison. He received the tribute and had the clout, no matter how many want to think Nick Corozzo or someone else was the "real boss."

As for Amuso, he apparently has enough clout that the feds still hold him in that position and Capeci was willing to correct himself. And it's not because they slapped the label on him. It's because the Lucchese Family itself holds him in that position. Nobody is saying he's in a position to run things day to day. Nobody is saying a guy like Crea doesn't have a lot of influence as one of the top guys on the street. But Amuso apparently is still the top guy and Crea and everyone else ultimately answers to him. We can't see what goes on behind the scenes but back when DeFede was acting boss, he got in trouble for not passing enough money onto Amuso. In Capeci's retraction, he talked about how Amuso ordered everyone to show up for his wife's wake and that's what happened.

DeFede was acting boss in 1998. This is 2014. Where is the proof he's involved? Why are all his Brooklyn guys broken or shelved after 20 years in prison? Families normally reward stand up guys.

Daidone was acting boss in the early 2000's and he was one of Amuso's top guys.

That was 2002. This is 2014. Where is the proof he has any influence? Any wiretaps, witnesses? Cite one order he has given as boss in the past 5-10 years.

If you want to use the lack of specific examples of orders Amuso has given in order to justify not believing he's the boss, go ahead. The posters in the past who thought Nick Corozzo was the real boss had their reasons as well. The sources supplying Capeci with the info should be enough, to say nothing of what the FBI says. But, as always, people on these forums think they know better.

It is fairly unprecedented, is it not, for a boss to be ousted whilst imprisoned?

Gotti, Gigante, Persico, Rastelli, Corallo.... all maintained power while behind bars; why is it any different with Amuso?

Nobody questioning Crea being the big shot on the streets of course.

Here we go again. Jesus Christ all-fucking-mighty, can't you guys ever let anything fucking go?

@Mulberry: You'll NEVER convince Ivy that Jerry Capeci and the Feds are wrong. Ever.

@Ivy: You'll never convince a guy who grew up downtown or in the outer boroughs that you can know anything about the American Mafia if you grew up in Utah, no matter how much you've studied it.

Can't anyone just agree to disagree and stop with the sarcasm?

Oh my fucking god , I thought this thread died a death weeks ago , please please let's not go down this road again . Some people believe amuso is boss ( there wrong ) and some people ( the sane ones ) believe Steven crea is boss . Please please let's move on

Corallo
Scarfo
Stanfa
All lost power

It depends on how many supporters the guy has on the streets when he goes away and if he still wants to hold onto power. Rastelli had power because he had supporters and wasn't sentenced to life. Corallo gave up power. Gigante and Persico were able to hold on because they had a huge number of supporters on the streets. Same with John Gotti. Peter Gotti has no supporters so he lost all power. Same with Scarfo and Stanfa. The question here is how many supporters Amuso has on the streets?

Which sources told Capeci and the FBI that Crea was the boss? You admit they were wrong last tine but this time there is absolutely no way they can be wrong on the same topic. What does Corozzo have to do with Crea?

This.

Lets all stop banging heads and trying to convince those that have made up their minds to change them.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

Amuso probably cant even control his bowels at this point, to claim he is running the family in any capacity is a just completely ridiculous.

Little Nicky's back. Yay!

How've you been, kid?

Im doing ok. Things just busy around here.

anything exciting on ggbb lately? beyond redebating gotti's career or who was the toughest mafia guy?

On any given day:

1) Just insert same rehashed and regurgitated topic.

2) Argue until someone gets personal.

3) SC locks the thread.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

This is great because you managed to crap on Ivy with both points.

That wasn't my intention. I'm one of the few guys who actually gets along well with him. I was just trying to tell the BOTH of them that when they're that far apart on something, it's best to just leave it alone. Because no one ever changes any else's mind on this stuff (or about anything else on message boards, for that matter).

And it's good to see you posting again too, ItalianForever. Stick around for awhile .

Thanks pizza. I am always lurking but haven't posted recently. What's cicale up too these days? Did he get a book or tv deal.

Who knows? With any luck he'll choke to death reading one of my posts. That would please me a great deal .

Anyway, I get my haircut over Crosby Avenue, just off Westchester. The girl who cuts my hair told me that she saw him when he was making one of those retarded videos for YouTube, and that he had the nerve to go into one of the Irish bars on Middletown for lunch.

So not only is he a lying piece of human garbage. He's a shameless, lying piece of human garbage.

Are you fucking kidding me?

If anyone touched him he would run to his handler and they would roll an assault rap on him into a major rico as a couple predicates. Low life piece of shit.

That's a great point that can NOT be understated.

People are always talking about how forensics and crime scene teams have discouraged the mob from killing people this past decade. And that's certainly true to an extent. But here in New York those cameras are everywhere, even in the outer boroughs.

You'd have to literally be insane to roll up on someone in broad daylight and pop them in New York City today. Because Big Brother is here. And he's not going away.

Well, this thread was interesting. Never saw so many people agree to disagree, again and again, over and over.

Not knowing jack about this topic and after reading through this, I would say that Amuso is looking more like the real Boss than Crea.

People might be forgetting that the very first thing the Feds do when they begin surveillance is try and make out the hierarchies of a family by visual observation. This is before the bugs and wires taps reveal anything. That's the first thing they do. Now in this situation, you have a powerful street boss of some kind (Crea) commanding great respect, and the Feds still say he is NOT the man. That's a little profound. If you think the Feds are lying about that, you need to produce some scenarios as to why they would lie.

Boss doesn't mean who runs the company, Boss is who owns the company. That goes for both legitimate and illicit affairs.

Is it impossible that Amuso is the 'owner' or biggest shareholder/investor in the Lucchese Family's principal cash crops? No it isn't.

I meant when Tramunti was filling in for Corallo when he was in prison. I know Corallo gave up power voluntarily when he went away for life.

Some believe that Trumunti was only acting boss until Corallo got out of prison. Maybe it was the other way around and Corallo was acting for Trumunti until he died

http://youtu.be/EwnP7jhTrlQ


I tell you who the boss is... Denzel is the boss.

Im still wrapping it around my head that this guy was the Boss of an NY Family at one point.........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFbzsAZe9UY

Never saw that before, at least I don't think but funny.

I imagine those Gambino guys might have been very alarmed by that clown looking for John Gotti....being as that's how Paul Castellano got whacked, allegedly by four guys dressed pretty ridiculously.

That clown video is priceless. I've watched it and laughed so many times. Not only is the actor a gag reel within himself, Little Joe & Peter Gotti are just standing there entertaining the guy. Peter's like, "Oh you're here to deliver balloons, sounds good to me" -shut's door, leaving Little Joe out there in front of the cameras-

Little Joe is just has this look on his face like "Get the fuck outta here!!" And Norman Dupont, the convicted killer Norman Dupont, sees nothing wrong with the scenario at all.

Has anyone ascertained who he is yet?