I hear you and think that the Columbians at this time may have not had a clue and definitely didnt care about the mafia. Most of the columbians were poor farmers who stumbled upon a gold mine that was perfect for the 80s. That griselda blanco had an army of hitmen in miami taking out anyone who crossed her. This was a modern day version of 1920s chicago

Binnie, wonder if people like John Riccobono sent out word how ruthless these columbians and cubans were and maybe that weighed on the gambinos and others to stay away, but I can't think they were too happy about losing out on any bit of all those billions of dollars being thrown around

so which one is it, american desperado by evan wright or cocaine cowboys the book?

I dont think Riccobono or anybody had to explain to them that the Cubans were just on another level of violence then they were............we all know its disputed as to whether or not Montiglio really played peacemaker between the Cubans and Gambinos during that dispute but that surely implies that there were "Cocaine Cowboys" types in NYC

cheech, its American desperado, jon Roberts is john riccobono. sorry for the confusion, but, I got an excuse, im an old guy,

Are you talking about the Barry Seal murder?

Yeah, he was talking about the Barry seal murder

In an escobar documentary a narcotics cop mentions escobar's guys in NYC kicking back $10,000 for every kilo sold to one of the NY families..In Florida i'm guessing they probably didn't !!

That was a good book btw !!

Just checked it out...It was $5,000 they kicked back not $10,000

I'm not sure Roberts was involved in the Seal murder at all. He was in too deep with many different folks. Even had George H.W. Bush's number in his car or something at the time of the murder. I'm not even sure it was purely the Colombians that killed him (we know they were the shooters). It's a good possibility that the government had him clipped.

Also I think the hit was in Baton Rouge and not NOLA.

Yeah… Barry Seal is who Rafa(I believe) demanded that John R. have hit. He wanted John to do it, or John to source it. Barry Seal was an ex-CIA pilot and cartel mule who was set to testify in front of a senate sub-committee on cartel operations in exchange for federal immunity.

He also had state charges that a judge REFUSED to grant him immunity on, thus exposing him. Seal had 24 hour, round the clock protection. John called in the hitters, who decided the job couldn't be done, and the Columbian triggers came in to do the job.

I used to live in Broward County and actually attended a screening in Miami of Cocaine Cowboys, along with a Q&A with the Rakontur fellas and John Roberts. John R. sidestepped any discussion about his association with NY Cosa except to basically repeat what he said in CC. I HIGHLY doubt that no money exchanged hands, or that there wasn't a cocaine supply deal at the least, between Cowboys and NY. Why would NY have agreed to hit Barry Seal if there at least wasn't a working relationship??? All in all the screening was a pretty cool experience. If I am not mistaken Billy Corbin is going to open a Rakontur associated night club or something. I left Florida in 2011 though, so I am not too sure the specifics on all of that.

It was in BR Dixie. I think the Colombians got caught on the interstate driving away or something right?

Pablo Escobar - King of Cocaine (part 1)

7:55 mark !!!

They caught them on the way out, I forget in what conditions though. That's why I think the government was in on it, they were caught pretty quickly.

hey, dilorenzo, you know your stuff!! good for you, man, the money those guys made in coke, they had stacks of bills higher than jacks beanstalk.

Thanks BC...I just remembered that part because I was surprised, but like you said, they were making so much money, who needs a war with a major crime family...They're not gonna miss that $5,000 a key !!

hey, dilorenzo, you know your stuff!! good for you, man, the money those guys made in coke, they had stacks of bills higher than jacks beanstalk.

sorry about the double post, my bad.

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very cool!!! Im w you on how roberts could just go to NY and try and hire hitters if they didnt already have something going on....

I have Cocaine Cowboys 1 & 2. Does Cocaine Cowboys Reloaded add substantially to those? Worth picking up if you already have 1 &2?

Its all updated stuff on there i didnt like 2 as much as first one but I think this may have new stuff w mickey munday on it and they have "rivi" the hitman appealing his life in prison sentence

Reading up on Barry Seal and his involvement with both the drug running or the CIA and that is one heck of a story in itself.

RELOADED adds about 40 minutes of footage. It really isn't worth picking up if you have 1&2. RELOADED makes no mention of the events that took place after Griselda went to prison.

One thing that was NOT mentioned, which I think SHOULD have been was that on the very day Griselda walked out of Prison in 20xx, Rivi got stabbed up. I can't believe they left that out. It goes to show the power that Griselda STILL had, which is actually quite fucking fascinating. American Cosa Nostra has rats living out in the open… The Columbians and Mexicans are as wild as ever.

I actually had an affinity for Rivi. He seemed like a cool, personable motherfucker, psychopathic tendencies aside.

affinity for Rava? did you read the book?

I am talking about Jorge "Rivi" Alaya. He was extremly charismatic and seemed like a genuinely entertaining dude with a gift for orating some crazy times in history. I'm familiar with "Rafa" Salazar… He was a fucking nutcase. Which is who I assume you are talking about.

You're right. I read it wrong. My apologies. But Rivi is a psycho as well. More Articulate than the average Colombian. But a psycho nonetheless.

But yes. Sorry. Read it wrong

Thanks Merlino and IlLupo77. I'm probably going to check it out on netflix or where ever else it's available.

No worries, man. Yeah, Rivi is definitely a psycho, a charismatic psycho.

No worries, man. Yeah, Rivi is definitely a psycho, a charismatic psycho.

That stuttering unibrow? I politely disagree. They should have nicknamed him machine gun, because that's what his head looked like while he stuttered trying to express his ignorance. Rivi is pathetic. The guy is a mass murderer and avoided the death penalty as if it was plague. Somehow, even if he never told on another gangster, I think that makes him a type of rat.

Yes he was involved in all kinds of shit and was lucky he wasn't dead long before that. He had major ties to about anything imaginable.

And I agree on Rivi, he looks like a dude you see in a bar that you can carry on a conversation with then you see on the news he went nuts and killed someone an hour later.