Bikers generally are more tougher than the mob. Look up the history of the Hells Angels, Pagans, and other biker gangs, especially in relation to serving as muscle FOR the mob. Gangs like those make their members perform physical feats. You have to be able to lift a certain weight. You have to fight people at the drop of a hat. And not to mention, bikers carry just as many weapons. Bikers will stab somebody right in front of a cop. They don't care.
Mafia guys (for the most part) don't even work out. That's why they use bikers as muscle.

Bikers are like inmates, they do believe in some degree of working out, to whereas most mobsters wouldn't know what a weight was if it hit them in the head.

I think it has more to do with providing a convenient buffer. the guys on the streets are caught way more frequently than the wholesalers.

Look up Joe Ligambi, Nicky Scarfo, or John Gotti. Now look up Steve Mondevergine, Andrew Lozano, or some other biker and tell me which group looks like they lift more.

Who cares what they can lift? This isn't high school...

I looked them up. One group lifts guns and cannoli's and the other group lifts 12 oz bottles and also straws to powder their noses.

There all punks, the working guy is the tough guy..

While there is no question that outlaw biker gangs are extremely violent and fearless,they are more restrained when working for hire. If they are collecting a gambling debt or carrying out a beating or a killing,they aren't going to draw any attention to themselves,since this could result in putting the Club at risk.

Having said that,if it involves a threat to the Club itself,then yes,they will kill a rival gang member in the middle of a police station,if that is what has to be done.

I thought the working man was a Sucker! (JK)

A dear departed friend of mine once got into a fight with four hells angels they fucked him up. I can't imagine why he was not carrying his gun normally he did.

Any way after he got out of the hospital he was looking for revenge. Their club house was near 8 street and ave A in Manhattan some where around there.

He just kept watching their club house an angel left and went to his apartment. He was together with a women he had a few kids with her.

Ralphie knocked on the door when the women answered the door Ralphie killed every one in the house including her kids.

Lift what weights?

That's why I would fear an outlaw club more than the Mob. I think the mob these days is about earning money, it's a business. They don't kill rats because once they testify the damage is done, no sense interrupting their income to search for some witness in Bumfuck, Idaho or someplace. But I get the impression the outlaw clubs are still brotherhoods, they ride together and drink together. Not having the club brother's back is a huge dishonor in that world. I don't think it's about physical strength.

Oh the Santa Rosalia feast the 18 ave feast starts on Aug 21 runs for a 11 days

You know what they say about motor bike gangs colors? Those colors don't run and neither do the guys that wear them.

You could stop reading right there.

@Carmela....That's too funny but True.

The OP is obviously a sheltered suburban kid.

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You could do the same thing with any of the Bronx feasts that are still around. Just insert a couple of Dominicans where those Asians are.

But to be fair, a lot of the Italians who bolted for the suburbs do come back for the feasts. These are the same people who show up at the Arthur Avenue market on December 23rd to buy eels and squid. Makes them feel Super Italian .

"more tougher" instead of just tougher. Hmm.

Well, they probably are since they wear those Muslim beards and we all know how tough Muslims are.

I know who I'd have my money on.

I sent the picture of the Chinese guys Santa Rosalia to a friend of mine in Harlem.

He wrote back

Why not go to the Chinese Italian Feast (where?  in China?) since you missed the Giglio Lift last Sunday.  I was looking for you but I only saw Genie Boy from ahun9, so I only stayed a few hours to have my annual sausage and pepper sandwich and a few zeppoles, and then I left before they stopped lifting.  And since I was full from the sausage and the zeppoles, I didn't even stick around for the Giglio Society banquet in the church basement.
 
Lou

Man this fucking guy must love me. He leaves because I did not show up for the lift. My grand daughter baptismal party on Saturday. Sunday the daughter the communist and my grandson flew back to Germany. Also Sunday my other grand daughter flew out of the country to see her other Grand Parents so I could not get away to see the lift.

I must be the life of the fucking party

Lou and I were kids together in Italian Harlem. This guy Gus would take us and other people in my building to Jones beach in his moving truck.

That guy was something he was with Murder Inc. they would kill someone and he would come in his truck cover the body with his furniture moving pads and remove the body for disposal.

But see he was a nice guy when not doing that stuff. If it was not for him I would never got to see Jones beach as a kid. He was also an actual moving man.

He was a short stucky guy. He would strap a refrigerator on his back and carry it up 5 flights of stairs.

Does it matter? The Mafia didn't become powerful by being the toughest criminals. Everyone is strong enough to pull a trigger.

This.

As long as they leave the ink out.

Cant reconcile black food.

Nanna made or no....


Somethin wrong there...

Old school mafioso.

These guys would win.

Insult them, whatever, they'd smile, nod and walk away, but they'd make sure you got yours at some stage. Because if they couldnt win right there and then, you'd be bottom-drawed untill they could.

Bikers react emotionally to any given situation and would fight even when they'd know they'd lose.

And a mafioso. Well, there's nothing tougher than two to the back of the head.

At the time, or 6 months later.

I fear a evil smart fucker than a dumb lug.

Ones muscle and brains. The other, just muscle.

I know who I'd fear more.

@ Moe Tilden:

Where'd you find the picture of SC?

*Cheesy grin*

I can't speak for any other OMG,but there isn't a Mafiosi on the street,old school or otherwise,that would have the stones to f*ck with the Pag*ns.

In Philly, Scarfo and Merlino both thought they were tough guys until they crossed them. Little Nicky tried to collect his famous "street tax" from the Club. They laughed in the faces of his goons and Nicky kept his mouth shut and took it.

Check out this link for a little background on the Merlinos and the Club.

http://articles.philly.com/1995-10-05/news/25697018_1_pagans-source-joseph-skinny-joey-merlino

Hear what you're saying but to rephrase. You can run from the pagans. The wear their colours on their sleave. Literally.

A mafioso wears a suit *insert filo tracksuit joke here*, so you DONT see the threat coming.

I can run or fight a threat I see. I cant one I dont.

That's the difference.