/me chuckles

More of a hot English mustard man myself...


Jeezus I wish somebody would flip already to put this to bed...

Here is my semi worthless two cents: one, Ivy is right, the Feds have by far the best track record when it comes to identifying a hieracrchy. A trend is a trend, outliers aside. Two, if Crea is the real power in the family, he would be a very smart man to let Amuso stay as boss. That just seems obvious to me. It's not like they are whacking guys, anyway, so when do they even need his input? Throw him an envelope, consult him when need be, and let the Feds speak his name in court, not yours. Maybe I'm off base, but that just seems obvious to me.

I mean "official boss" or "acting boss" who gives a fuck? If Crea decides to break rank who's going to stop the guy? It's just a title and seems to be a ceremonial one, anyway. I guess what I'm saying is why would Crea bother disagreeing? Everyone is making money and no one is gettingn killed. Let the guy be "boss".

Words of wisdom there mighty.

+1

And in the words of the immortal PB, what actually is 'official boss'? We and the Feds use these terms MUCH more than your guy on the street.

In terms of title, Vic may still wear it, but in terms of the power on the street...? Well, it all goes about how you define boss now doesn't it. The title or the power. In this case two very different things..

Just thought I would reiterate while everyone in the states is asleep , Steven crea is the official lucchese family boss , at least nobody can argue bak with me for a few hours because your all tucked up in your beds ha ha

I respect PB's opinion about as much as anyone. As I've said, he's among the handful of "local guys" I take seriously. And I'm usually content to take what he says at face value, as I have certain other people. However, I've never believed ANYONE on these forums is in a better position to know things than the feds. It doesn't matter who they are, where they live, or who they know. They're just not going to have that much inside info readily and directly available to them. Not unless they're presently involved in the life and in a sensitive position within the mob itself. But I don't think there's anyone like that posting on internet forums currently.



Says who? Going back to at least the late 1990's, the feds had Crea as the underboss and later acting boss.



When I say "official," it implies a permanent nature. In other words, the official boss is recognized as such and has that position until he either dies or steps down. It's opposed to the "acting boss," which is of a transitory nature. Previously, Crea was the official underboss and acting boss, while Amuso remained the official boss in prison. Amuso was the boss but, because he was not in a position to run the family directly, Crea was the acting boss on the street. Now we still have Amuso as the official boss, Madonna as the current acting or street boss (same thing), and if I had to guess, Crea is probably still official underboss like he has been previously. That's where the whole acting boss thing came from. Either because the actual boss is in prison or has died and hasn't officially been replaced yet. The FBI didn't make this stuff up. These are real positions used by the LCN itself.

So crea is now underboss to matthew Madonna , he is slipping further and further down the ladder , u will have crea as an associate by the end of the week ivy ha ha

Keep in mind that I'm speculating that Crea remains the official underboss. With Amuso being the boss, and Madonna being the acting or street boss, it's the only logical conclusion that I can think of considering it was his position previously.

Also remember that the Gang Land article says Madonna is "Crea's right-hand-man and serves as Amuso's street boss." So it appears Madonna is answerable to Crea.

So in your opinion ivy , do u think crea is not as important as everyone makes out ??

If by "important as everyone makes out" you mean the boss or #1 guy who has the ultimate say, no, I don't. It appears Amuso is still that. But that's not to say Crea isn't important. He's been the single top Lucchese guy on the street for years now except when he was in prison and there was the 3 man ruling panel. He's simply still answerable to Amuso.

I would like to know were migliore fits into all this

I must admit u have a very convincing argument , I still think crea is the official boss though pal . I can't see were amuso has the support of the guys in the street , his ally's lastorino and zappola and even conte have all been demoted , that should tell everyone were the power is , firmly with crea

Amuso still has allies
Nobody has mentioned.it but joe dibenedetto is a capo and amuso son in law and involved in the unions
And im sure crea is acting boss and im sure Madonna handles.everything on the street
For.20 years now all the capos have acting capos even if the capo is free to further insulate themselves

I could still see Amuso running things from his prison cell, but Crea has inserted himself as the ''Boss'' Whether it's official or he's just acting, I'm not sure.

Crea has been a major powerhouse for 20 years, so the power lies with him.

Migliore, He's prolly a old senior captain who acts in a advisory role.

Madonna, he prolly run things on the streets for Crea and Amuso as streetboss.

I may be wrong, but I don't think Madonna was made until he got out of prison for the Nicky Barnes thing which was late 90's, and that combined with him being an East Harlem/Bronx guy lends me to believe he has no ties to Amuso whatsoever

Madonna did the induction in 06 of the perna kids at the house in nj. I think crea was in jail or restrictions. There must be a lot of guys made way before Madonna read he was made after his real ease in 95. Wasn't the acting boss around that time Joe defede. They were a fucked family after gas pipe flipped in 94. I think there was a Staten island soldier who flip around 2006. So 8 yes since there last rat. Not bad. Colombia had like 10 made guys flip since then. Think gambinos had the gay guy about 8 yes ago.

Since when did he become a captain?



That's just it. Amuso, being in prison for life, isn't in a position to "run things" on a day-to-day basis. He's able to maintain his position as the boss, be consulted on major issues, and have the final say, but it would be Crea and Madonna who are running things directly on the street. So, if Crea was the boss, there would be no reason for Amuso to be running anything. Amuso remains in the picture because he is still the top guy.

Madonna is amazing all the shit he survived, its shows a serious sentencing problem that all the guys he plugged got life with out, and he is home as a way bigger drug dealer.

r Sunday I was at the bar and on TV was horde racing foxs1 channel and the guy name who was broadcasting the race was migliore and they broke into a segment about pigeon racing and how his grand pops was the man a legend so guessing it was Neil I wasn't paying to much attention but that's pretty cool the guy goes.on to say you can buy these pigeon shirts off his website. Anyone else see this.

You're talking about the ex-jockey, Richie Migliore. Neil's not his grandfather.

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This is the pigeon website , there r a lot of pics of migliore on here . Anyone seen these ??

Ya pizza your rite I was watching and talking to people and it just pop in my head his grand dad must be Neil. They were selling pigeon shirts for the clubs 50th annerversery or some date but ya the guy was a small jockey. Thought since there in upstate NY there must be a connection after seeing all those pics of the guy Neil.and his crew if pigeon racers. Oh shit Obama on TV got to go.

Steven Crea is mentioned from 19:00 of this Selwyn Raab interview.

I remember that interview. That was late 2005, I believe. Because the hardcover edition of "Five Families" was already out, and he mentions the second edition coming out "next fall."

Great book. Gotta give the guy his due.

Probably wasn't that hard for him either. Much of the material in the book is from his articles covering the mob over the years.

I'm glad you mentioned that because I thought I was the only one who noticed that. He probably had to do very little work. I'm sure the editor framed out the book with his articles dating back forty or so years, and that Raab just had to add some new narration to tie things up.

I have no information on this but I can say the Feds had a good reason to be fooled by the fat tony situation. Although he may not have been the official boss he was representing the genovese on the commission and setting policies in Cleveland and across the country. He def could have been the most influential gangster in the country. Now that the families don't intermingle as much, it is much harder to get real information on hierarchys. But whoever the boss is doesn't matter as much as who's making the most, making most policy decisions,etc and that is obviously crea

There you go. This was a "hot button" topic on the boards when Capeci broke this (non) story.

Bottom line, who's calling the shots on the streets? Who's free, and who's gonna die in a cage? Who has a better view right now, Stevie, from his big house in Tuckahoe, or Vic, from his cell in Maryland?

It's all a matter of practicality. It doesn't matter what these charts say. Those things are put together by the Feds, the media, and by geeks on the Internet. What matters is the street itself. And on the street, where it counts, in practical terms, Stevie and Matty are the power now.

Amuso is still as much the boss of the Luccheses as Peter Gotti is still the boss of the Gambinos. Is there one iota of evidence he has had any say in any decision the family has made or that he has gotten an envelope the past 5 years? As far as I know Peter Gotti was the official boss when he was sent to prison so if the FBI told us he was still the boss, would anyone believe it? That's the position Amuso is in right now