Again i was just speculating but im getting information from past associates and fbi agents who said gotti was a murderer but he wasnt really a triggerman. he was a capo for a long time so he really didnt need to pull teh trigger

Not pull in the trigger as a skipper I get, so there telling you when he was a soldier he didn't kill anyone?

Well the McBratney hti was probably the closest to a perosnal murder buT he never pulle dteh trigger, Ralph galione did. Like i said im not a mind reader or anything like that just speculating from teh research i have done. In college i took a few courses on organized crime and one of the speakers i had a few times was a agent on the Gambino squad in the 80's and he knew everything about gotti

Ok, this agent missed the 70's when Gotti was getting his hands dirty. Nothing for nothing, you keep going to the McBrantey hit. That's the one you read about, there's so much other stuff that doesn't show up in articles and what not. I just wouldn't put anything last that guy, like I said the crew he was with was pretty tough so it's hard for me to picture them accepting a guy who hadn't killed anyone. And just so we are clear, I never said you were a mind reader you stated that you were "told" these things by informants and agents. Let's not start with the snot nose comments coming my direction for asking a question if what resources you were quoting.

Dude why are you being nasty? I wasnt trying to be nasty with you. When i said "mind reader" i was joking around. I was just trying to have a civil conversation with you. By the way I dont keep mentioning the McBratney murder. in fact i mentioned Vito Borelli, Tony Plate, Tommy Desimone,Joseph Spione,and Favara as possible victims. jesus Christ man i said many times taht i may be wrong i was just giving an opinion

Not being nasty at all, not going to have an argument over John Gotti. A blind man can see two things, one Gotti was a murdering scumbag, two that "mind reader" comment wasn't in a context of a joke. And you've brought others up ok? McBrantney is your focul argument point. My opinion is as stated above, your is Gotti didn't mixed anyone. Enough said.

Overreaction. First of all im sorry if you took the "mind reader" comment as a shot at you. in fact it had nothing to with you at all. In fact i was being very respectful to you because i valued your opinion. So not sure where all thsi came from lol. Anyway i ahte Gotti as much as you do so my point wanst to make him a hero, in fact i think he is a scumbag. I was simply responding to a poster who said he wanst sure if gotti had personally killed someone which we dont know if he did or didnt

Gotti was involved in violent street gangs and the mafia for about 30 years before he became a capo. It's hard to believe he never killed anyone during that time. The 1970's were a violent time and that was when he was an up and coming associate and then soldier. There's a reason why he was sent on two very important hits, the McBratney and Plate contracts.

Come on, guys. Just let it go. When there's NO WAY of knowing, what's the sense in speculating?

You both agree that he wasn't a nice guy, and that people are dead because of him. What the fuck is the difference if he pulled the trigger or not?

Kasman also states that John and Jnr didn't exactly get along, Gotti viewed him as bumbling buffoon, but a dangerous buffon who was making terrible decisions and furthering their stay in the spotlight after Sr's trial

Is that why the other 4 families hate the Gambinos? because the Gotti's made them a laughing stock? I bet old Carlo is cursing them from Hell.

It doesnt matter personally. its good to speculate it makes good conversation lol

I don't know. I mean the average cop would never want to kill any innocent person, but I think a lot of them would have no problem killing a criminal like a wiseguy. Cops usually get the benefit of the doubt from prosecutors and judges. Do you think they're going to bring charges against a cop or federal agent who killed a criminal while working undercover? I doubt it, all the cop would have to do is claim self defense.

I'm talking about doing a hit.

I know. I think some of them would do a hit, just to not be found out as a cop. I remember an interview with Joseph Pistone where he said if he had had to do a hit he would have. I will try to find it.

I was just trying to help avoid a five page back and forth that eventually gets closed for going nowhere. But do what you want.

Yeah tahst why i sent him a PM to avoid just that

If he said that then he's even more full of it than I thought

Here it is Mulberry and Fleming_Ave.....

"On the orders of his own capo, Dominick (Sonny Black) Napolitano, Pistone headed out to find Indelicato - with a .25-caliber automatic.

It turned out the caller had bum information, but the former lawman admits he would have pulled the trigger on Indelicato before jeopardizing his life or the operation. "If Bruno's there, he's gone," Pistone writes

If I have to put a bullet in his head, I will, and I'll deal with the federal government and the Staten Island DA later. ... There's no doubt they both would charge me for murder. The Bureau would brand me a rogue agent and hang me out."

http://www.thechicagosyndicate.com/2007/01/joe-pistone-confesses-to-crimes-as-mob.html
Monday, January 29, 2007
Joe Pistone Confesses to Crimes as Mob Mole
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Friends of ours: Bonanno Crime Family, Gambino Crime Family, Benjamin "Lefty Guns" Ruggiero, Dominick "Sonny Black" Napolitano, Anthony "Bruno" Indelicato, Carmine Galante
Friends of mine: "Donnie Brasco"

Legendary FBI agent Joe Pistone is confessing for the first time that he broke the law during the years he spent undercover as mob wanna-be Donnie Brasco.

Warehouse burglaries. Beatings. Truck hijackings. And even a conspiracy to murder a Bonanno crime family capo.

In his new memoir, Pistone details the crimes he committed to prove his loyalty to the gang he eventually took down. "Sometimes you have to do stuff you don't normally do, you wouldn't do," Pistone told the Daily News, which got an exclusive peek at "Donnie Brasco: Unfinished Business."

For instance, there was the phone call that came in 1981 when Pistone and his mob buddies were playing cards in Brooklyn's Motion Lounge.

It was a tip that Bonanno big Anthony (Bruno) Indelicato, who took part in the infamous 1979 rubout of Gambino boss Carmine Galante, was camped out on Staten Island.

On the orders of his own capo, Dominick (Sonny Black) Napolitano, Pistone headed out to find Indelicato - with a .25-caliber automatic.

It turned out the caller had bum information, but the former lawman admits he would have pulled the trigger on Indelicato before jeopardizing his life or the operation. "If Bruno's there, he's gone," Pistone writes.

"If I have to put a bullet in his head, I will, and I'll deal with the federal government and the Staten Island DA later. ... There's no doubt they both would charge me for murder. The Bureau would brand me a rogue agent and hang me out."

During his six years infiltrating Sonny Black's vicious crew, Pistone dug up enough evidence to put away nearly 200 mobsters, all while making life-or-death decisions on how far to take his role-playing.

Now 65, the New Jersey native lives with his wife in an unidentified location, but will come out of hiding for a book tour in the coming weeks.

Over the years, Pistone - portrayed by Johnny Depp in the 1997 movie "Donnie Brasco" - has been cagey when discussing how he gained the trust of an insular gang of suspicious men because revealing more could have damaged prosecutions. But his most revealing book to date details the incredible lengths he went to.

Take the beating he delivered on two druggies dumb enough to stick up Pistone and his mob pal Benjamin (Lefty Guns) Ruggiero in the stairwell of a Little Italy walkup. "You just saw two dead punks run down the stairs," Ruggiero told him.

At Ruggiero's urging, Pistone caught up with them a few days later near Little Italy and meted out the punishment. "He hit the pavement as if I'd had a roll of dimes in my right fist," Pistone writes.

"I looked down at the kid on the ground and realized he was out cold and so I sprung suddenly and hauled off an overhand right on the other one and he went down ... "From the kidney blows they bled piss for weeks. And until the breaks healed they had no use of their fingers for such things as shooting a gun."

It was savage, but Pistone says the beating saved their lives. "Otherwise they would have got killed," Pistone said. "Either I go take care of it or they [the mob] will. You don't stick up a wiseguy and live to tell about it." He's quick to point out that the assaults he carried out always involved thieves or other wiseguys. "No citizens got hurt," he said.

Pistone also admits getting cuts of between $2,500 and $5,000 from warehouse burglaries he took part in but says he turned over the money to the FBI.

He doesn't offer details on the hijackings he carried out. But he admits that "my participation in Mafia hijacking has always been an open sore for me, something that I have hesitated to talk about."

Even after 30 years, Pistone is still angry that the FBI didn't let him stay undercover longer so that he could become a made man. "Imagine if I had been made," Pistone writes. "It would have been the biggest humiliation the Mafia had ever suffered. And it was the one chance the FBI would ever have to pull it off.

"Imagine the embarrassment for the Mafia from coast to coast and all the way to Sicily when the news got out that the exalted Bonanno crime family had made an agent."

Thanks to Thomas Zambito

Well to be fair to the poster, he did say...or be involved in a murder.

They attribute 19 murders to Sammy Gravano, yet he only pulled the trigger on the first one.

The rest he was either there to supervise, or just involved in the set ups.

Yeah, totally agree.

You think the Outfit just decided to one day say to Donald Angelini, "You know, Don, we've been looking at our records and we don't have you down as being involved in a murder. You can take the millions of dollars you have generated for us in gambling and hit the road!"

Nowadays, that 75% number is probably even higher. I'd even say it's closer to 90%.

Now I like JP, BUT, WHAT, A, LOAD, OF, SHIT.

He wouldve hit Bruno?
PLEASE.

He's clutching at straws to hold onto a brief moment in time 30yrs ago. Its over, let it go.

Gotti was "muscle" in his early days, offcourse he killed people, on the quack quack tapes, when they where talking about john not wanting to tangle with the demeo crew, gene and quack quack said john had killed around 10 people.

Joe Pistone has the balls to sue the guys who made the movie "American Gangster" but he always spits fire with dumb shit like this dummy