Really? That baffles me, what makes you think Denzel is one of the greatest.

Yeah I can understand that. I agree I don't think there's much depth to his performances. Only person I disagree with 100% with on that list is Denzel

His performance as Malcolm x was all I needed to see. Even though he has many other performances. But that's the culmination of it all without a doubt. Easily should have 3 oscars with that one. I just think his body of work puts him up there as one of the greatest of his era.

Disagree on norton I don't think he's overrated at all. I think he's a phenomenal actor.

Then quentin Tarantino would be overhyped in your book not overrated. Overhyped means you can be good or even great, but if you're being put up there as one of the greatest to ever do it when you simply don't deserve that praise at the moment then you're being overhyped. Overrated is when you're just average no different than most people in your profession but you get touted as if your an elite individual at whatever you do. Let's take Tim Tebow for example. Many people were overrating him at nausea. Not really saying that he was an elite QB but some people said he was a good or even great QB when that just simply wasn't true. Great QBs are great throwers of the football and put up at least somewhat impressive statistics which tebow did not. Nothing against tebow he's just the only example I could think of off the top of my head honestly. There's usually not that many people who are overrated. Overhyped yes, but not overrated. The word overrated gets overused today mostly because of sports imo.

Here's the definition's of overrate on the online dictionary. to assess too highly, to rate or appraise too highly.

Here's the definition of overhype from the same website and most dictionaries if you have one close; make exaggerated claims about (a product, idea, or event); publicize or promote excessively., To promote or publicize to excess.

So i think it's pretty clear i meant overrated, the word HYPE should've made it clear enough. I don't watch American Football, so after skipping to the end and finding out i overuse the word Overrate made my day


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/overrated

In what roles? Just wondering i personally think he's overrated.

He's overrated yeah your right he sure is!

Primal fear, American history x and fight club are definitely his best best roles imo

over-rated just means that an average person gets the same amount of attention as someone who is very good or great.

over-hyped means someone or something gets far far far too much attention. They might be good, they might even be great. But the amount of attention, fanfare, and noise is way out of proportion. It usually means someone is trying to make money and trying to get people to watch or buy it.

Not necesarrily you overusing the word just people in general. Like you said you don't watch sports so you wouldn't understand my logic behind the whole overrated and overhyped subject.

And just curious, why would Tarantino not even be in your top 20? If you look at it objectivity can you really say that there's 20 directors with better résumés than Tarantino? I understand that he's not in your top 20 favorite directors but if you were lookig at it objectively would you put him up there? As a matter of fact name your top 5 best directors of all time.

http://www.thesportsfanjournal.com/sport...-and-overhyped/

Here is an article about being overrated and overhyped specifically related to sports if you are interested.

I didn't read that far into the article but hear is a quote from it that sums up my feelings on those actors mentioned -

"To be overrated should mean that a player’s actual skill set does not match the value bestowed upon her or him."

I mean while i think they are capable actors i don't agree with them being called some of the greatest actors. So as i already explained overrated was the correct word to use and no matter how much you repeat it, it doesn't neccessarily mean i think they're average.

What are you talking about? There is no objective ranking of directors. There are plenty of respected film critics for instance that wouldn't have QT in their top 50, and there are plenty of respected film critics who think he's the greatest ever. Neither are correct, both just have opinions like me or you.

My top 5 directors:

1.Martin Scorcese
2.Alfred Hitchcock
3.Akira Kurosawa
4.Billy Wilder
5.John Huston

Also another 15 in no particular order to make it 20:

Paul Thomas Anderson
Sergio Leone
Steven Spielberg
Francis Ford Coppola
Park Chan-Wook
Howard Hawks
Bong Joon-Ho
Frank Capra
Coen Brothers
William Friedkin
Elia Kazan
Stanley Kubrick
Wes Anderson
David Lynch
David Fincher

I didn't say i don't watch sports just not the sport you were talking about.

Not to mention another actor but Johnny Depp really is up there as one of the greats for me.

You just have to watch the Hunter S Thompson interviews to see how spot on he was. Same with Donnie Brasco(Joe Pistones) voice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tiw9yg9E8g8

There are objective ways of looking at film. Personally idk how but the film experts and movie buffs always tell me that there is. For instance, you might ny be the biggest lebron James fan but looking at it objectively you would have to say the guy is great.

I guess maybe an objective way of looking at film would be looking at it as if it was a piece of art? I'm not a movie expert like other people but I'm sure they could give you a straight answer as to how they look at a movie objectively.

Sometimes I just feel that he plays himself in many movies. But I do believe that in his best performances like fear and loathing in LV he was amazing. When he is on he is out of this world.

I agree I believe Scorsese is the GOAT. What'd you think of Grand Budapest hotel? Personally I would put Tarantino at least in your list of people outside the top 5 but I guess you prefer different types of movies.

So you're a baseball or basketball fan? Personally football, baseball and basketball are my favorite.

Any possible ground breaking upcoming movies in anyone's mind? I used to think the Irishman would do that but Idek if they're still making that. I was thinking many the legacy of secrecy with De Niro and DiCaprio.

Grand Budapest Hotel is the only movie of his i haven't seen yet. I still like QT, he's just not among my favourites. I liked Pulp Fiction, Reservoir Dogs, Jackie Brown and Django Unchanged. I thought Kill Bill was ok, and i'm not a fan of the rest.

I see what you are saying, but the LBJ example is not a good one imo. For LBJ we have stats to analyze, that make it objectively true that he is great. We don't have anything similar for films. When it comes to The Godfather vs Goodfellas for instance, how can we say one is objectively better than the other? The answer is we can't, i personally prefer The Godfather but that's only my subjective opinion.

Football (Soccer), Basketball and Tennis.

Interstellar and Inherant Vice for me. There's also David Fincher's Gone Girl and Richard Linklater's Boyhood, which is a 12 year project.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boyhood_%28film%29

Yes gone girl is one I've been really wanting to see. I feel like I'm getting my hopes up too high though. Inherent vice seems interesting I need to see a trailer though. And kill the messenger looks really good from the trailer. Intrestellar I talked about before and I think that can be really great with mcconaughey and Nolan pairing up. Black mass with johnny depp I think can be really good. I can't wait to see that one. Idk if you guys have seen pics on johnny depp playing whitey bulger but he looks completely transformed. I can't tell if the makeup is brilliant or terrible lol. I'll have I see it on screen to judge.

GBH was funny though. It was alright as an overall movie. Idk if it's a movie that I REALLY liked but I'd probably watch it again.

Oh that's right you're in Scotland. I wouldn't expect football to be big in Europe.