"the 4s started in the late 60s/early 70s.......NO THEY WEREN'T ABOUT MONEY"

Actual members have stated that themselves it's about hustling ($$$) since the inception, you can't refute that period. They were into cargo theft and whatever hustle back then.

"the big drug boom wasn't until the 80s well after all major mobs were formed"

This is up Scorsese alley and even he (or she) will tell you about the drug trade blooming before then. Heroin trade bloom in the 70s Chicago with gang wars soaring the homicides rate up. Chicago's highest homicides was 1974 with 970 murders: Fact. A major gang leader past away that year, David Barksdale: Fact.

Cook I understand you have all the rights to leave your thoughts on Chicago related topics being from that county. But brother come on with this random banter. You have decent information no doubt yet you fall back more to one sided opinions. Offer more explanations and details besides.....

Spaces of opposing talk

With little to no supporting ideas/cases/evidence/etc.

I'm not trying to turn a debate into a flaming argument nor insult you. Just give you well deserve criticizing as a fellow poster. Your quick to jump in Chi OC/Gangs topics but leave a poor impression on the audience. You rarely post any in depth material from sources you may have and is consistently on the short end of the stick of the major discussions. Again for the umpteen time, your disposition on the subject is feather weight. With all due respect of course.