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Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: Snakes] #778000
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Yeah, I didnt' figure they were made,more or less just wondering what crew they were with and if they were still active. Also just like to say I liked your family secrets blog.

Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117] #778001
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Thanks, man. I should have another part up sometime next week.


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Haven't seen this posted before. Joe Abate was listed as a soldier in the west side crew on Burnsteins 2010 chart. http://www.justice.gov/usao/iln/pr/chicago/2012/pr0724_01.pdf

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Good find. How did you come across it? May not have been convicted cause I don't find him as being in the US BOP.

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Googled the name. I couldnt find a conviction or plea. It seems the grand ave crew may be involved in real estate scams. Vena eating with the Micheals guy that had the bank and then this. I will try to find more on it.

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Originally Posted By: slick
Haven't seen this posted before. Joe Abate was listed as a soldier in the west side crew on Burnsteins 2010 chart. http://www.justice.gov/usao/iln/pr/chicago/2012/pr0724_01.pdf


Assuming it is the same Joe Abate, (and it probably is, the age is right) He was Pres of LIUNA local 225. They pitched him out in '97 after he got pinched for bookmaking.
His record was clean up til then and he got probation and a $1000 fine for the gambling beef.

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Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117] #778874
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Also found a nice piece from 2010, that has some outfit connections. Rudy Frato, Marty Gutilla and Anthony Boggio. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2010-...viagra-triangle

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Wonder who the "Outfit's top bookie in the 11th ward" refers to.

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Originally Posted By: funkster
Wonder who the "Outfit's top bookie in the 11th ward" refers to.

Bridgeport

Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117] #778914
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I meant the specific name.

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Don't know if he is alive or not. But from what this says it's Richie Catazone. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2009-06-30/news/0906290516_1_custody-battle-messages-ugly

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Catezone died in 2010.


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Originally Posted By: Snakes
Catezone died in 2010.


Google didn't come up with an obit.

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He's got a brother named Don involved too, doesn't he?

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Originally Posted By: EricKumerow
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Catezone died in 2010.


Google didn't come up with an obit.

You must've used the wrong spelling.
Catezone, Richard A. "Richie Cat" dear father of Anthony and Richard (Gina), beloved son of the late John and Theresa Catezone, dearest grandfather of Brianna, Anthony, and Cristina, dear brother of Pat (Ginny) and the late Violet (the late Frank) Guarisco and the late John (Marion) Catezone, fond uncle and great-uncle and great-great-uncle to many, and friend to many. Funeral Thursday, 9:15 a.m. from Michael Coletta Sons Funeral Home, 544 W. 31st St. to Santa Lucia Church, Mass 10:00 a.m. Interment private. Member of O.N.I.A.C. Please omit flowers. Visitation Wednesday, 2:00 p.m. to 9:00 p.m. 312-225-8500 - See more at: http://legacy.suntimes.com/obituaries/ch...h.53VKwtg0.dpuf

No Dons either. Brothers Pat and John and "BIL" Frank

Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: JJB] #780071
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It would sure appear to me that Fosco's right about Pranno. That other pic it's Rocco Potenza.


I didn't catch this earlier, but the book confused the photos. Rocco Pranno is the guy on the bottom. I don't know how to upload photos from my hard drive, but I have some that can prove it. Just tell me how to upload from my computer.

Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117] #780187
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Yes, I have seen this before. I assume that this may be where some of the Pranno/Potenza confusion stems. This is from Brashler's book on Giancana, right?

And funkster, just go to imgur.com and upload your photo there, it's pretty self-explanatory but if you need help on a step there just PM me.


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I noticed that in one of Jay Robert Nash's books he mixed them up too.

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So, just read an article about Chicago gun laws and saw that CPD's head of the OC unit is a guy named Nicholas Roti. Tell me this guy isn't somehow related to Fred?

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Originally Posted By: funkster
So, just read an article about Chicago gun laws and saw that CPD's head of the OC unit is a guy named Nicholas Roti. Tell me this guy isn't somehow related to Fred?


I've been told that Nick Roti is Fred Roti's nephew making him the cousin to the Caruso brothers. Nick denies the family connection publicly, but I've been told he ventures to Lemont to meet with the Caruso family. He also disbanded their gambling unit. I'm really not sure what to believe.

Mayor Daley's head of security - Sam Roti - was Fred Roti's nephew.

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the fun in chicago never stops.....he's related to made mafia members

him disbanding their gambling unit is the proof, not to mention the other shit


@chitown

when chicago posters post on here that "chicago works different" they call us liars

there's a thread with a news story proving difronzo is still active in blue collar crime

the posters that claim the syndicate is dead didn't utter a peep

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Originally Posted By: ChiTown
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So, just read an article about Chicago gun laws and saw that CPD's head of the OC unit is a guy named Nicholas Roti. Tell me this guy isn't somehow related to Fred?


I've been told that Nick Roti is Fred Roti's nephew making him the cousin to the Caruso brothers. Nick denies the family connection publicly, but I've been told he ventures to Lemont to meet with the Caruso family. He also disbanded their gambling unit. I'm really not sure what to believe.

Mayor Daley's head of security - Sam Roti - was Fred Roti's nephew.

Ha...if true that's pretty incredible. Is the disbanding of the gambling unit verified or just something you've heard? I figured if his name was Roti he had to be connected to Fred/Bruno in some capacity. Crazy.

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Originally Posted By: funkster
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So, just read an article about Chicago gun laws and saw that CPD's head of the OC unit is a guy named Nicholas Roti. Tell me this guy isn't somehow related to Fred?


I've been told that Nick Roti is Fred Roti's nephew making him the cousin to the Caruso brothers. Nick denies the family connection publicly, but I've been told he ventures to Lemont to meet with the Caruso family. He also disbanded their gambling unit. I'm really not sure what to believe.

Mayor Daley's head of security - Sam Roti - was Fred Roti's nephew.

Ha...if true that's pretty incredible. Is the disbanding of the gambling unit verified or just something you've heard? I figured if his name was Roti he had to be connected to Fred/Bruno in some capacity. Crazy.


Yeah it's public info that the CPD gambling unit -- where Don Herion and his crew had their glory days -- was disbanded in 2008. I'm not sure Roti was connected to it publicly, but it happened under his watch:
http://abc30.com/archive/7053765/

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Interesting...in fairness who needs a gambling unit? I'm sure illegal gambling doesn't go on anymore LOL

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Also ChiTown, any idea the status on guys like the Giulianos, who were pretty young when they went away in the late 90s, or Joe Abate who is also fairly young? Slick dug up an indictment of him from 2012 over some shady real estate deals.

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Originally Posted By: PKDickman
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Haven't seen this posted before. Joe Abate was listed as a soldier in the west side crew on Burnsteins 2010 chart. http://www.justice.gov/usao/iln/pr/chicago/2012/pr0724_01.pdf


Assuming it is the same Joe Abate, (and it probably is, the age is right) He was Pres of LIUNA local 225. They pitched him out in '97 after he got pinched for bookmaking.
His record was clean up til then and he got probation and a $1000 fine for the gambling beef.


So, if he was 48 in 2012, that would make him about 33 back in 1997. He was president of the local at that age?

I'm just wondering if it is the same Joe Abate.

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Llewelyn Morris Humphreys (1899 -- November 23, 1965) (also known as The Camel, The Hump or Curly), was a Chicago mobster of Welsh descent who was the chief political and labor racketeer in the Chicago Outfit during and after Prohibition. A ruthless but clever man, Humphreys believed in killing only as a last resort. As Al Capone put it, "Anybody can use a gun. 'The Hump' can shoot if he has to, but he likes to negotiate with cash when he can". Humphreys also did everything in his power to see that he and other Outfit members attracted as little press attention as possible. While some made men, such as Salvatore Giancana (also known as "Sam" or "Mooney") and Filippo Sacco (also known as "John Roselli" or "Handsome Johnny"), craved the limelight, most took Humphreys' cue and stayed behind the scenes. Humphreys spent most of his life in a nondescript bungalow in South Shore, Chicago.

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So, if he was 48 in 2012, that would make him about 33 back in 1997. He was president of the local at that age?

I'm just wondering if it is the same Joe Abate.


UNION CHIEF GETS PROBATION ON GAMBLING CHARGE: [CHICAGOLAND FINAL Edition]
Chicago Tribune [Chicago, Ill] 13 Apr 1999

A suspended labor union president who was convicted of syndicated gambling for accepting $197,000 in sports wagers over a three-week period was placed on probation and ordered to pay a $1,000 fine Monday.

Joseph Abate, 35, who lives in the 4700 block of North Chester Avenue, appeared before Cook County Circuit Judge Daniel Kelley, where he was sentenced for the Class 3 felony.

"Putting it in its proper perspective, drug dealers and burglars are afforded probation," Kelley said. "I see no reason you should not receive probation also."

Abate, who was president of Local 225 of the Laborers International Union, could be expelled from the union because of his conviction, said a spokeswoman for the U.S. Department of Labor, who attended the hearing.

The operation was discovered when a Chicago police officer, who received a tip about the sports betting operation, served a search warrant on Abate's apartment in March 1997. The officer found wagers written on water-soluble paper in a kitchen drawer near a sink, a sports catalog and a dozen cellular telephones in a bedroom.

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I found a similar article with his age and went from there. Could it not be him, yeah. But im inclined to think it is him.

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Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
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Haven't seen this posted before. Joe Abate was listed as a soldier in the west side crew on Burnsteins 2010 chart. http://www.justice.gov/usao/iln/pr/chicago/2012/pr0724_01.pdf


Assuming it is the same Joe Abate, (and it probably is, the age is right) He was Pres of LIUNA local 225. They pitched him out in '97 after he got pinched for bookmaking.
His record was clean up til then and he got probation and a $1000 fine for the gambling beef.


So, if he was 48 in 2012, that would make him about 33 back in 1997. He was president of the local at that age?

I'm just wondering if it is the same Joe Abate.



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