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Will Sammy Gravano return to NY #776084
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After he is released in 2019 he will be 74 years old im guessing he probably misses NY very much.All the guys he ratted on are either dead in jail or too old maybe their sons might want to harm him but other than that i dont think anyone gives a fuck about SG.Rats are living out in the open today so im guessing in 5 years it will be even worse.

Im not saying he is going to go walking around bensonhurst talking to his old neighbours but maybe he finds a quiet place in manhatten and just lives out his days in low key.He looks really bad the last time i saw a pic of him so if hes alive he will just look like a old dying man

Re: Will Sammy Gravano return to NY [Re: tiger84] #776086
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Someone very close to his brother-in-law recently told me that Sammy is dying. But that could just be bitterness because Eddie's probably going to die in jail himself. So who knows?

If Sammy survives the five years? It wouldn't shock me if he moved to a Central Park West apartment and got himself a reality show. I'm not expecting it, but it wouldn't shock me either.


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Re: Will Sammy Gravano return to NY [Re: tiger84] #776088
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No way Sammy makes it out alive. He looked horrible in that recent picture.

Re: Will Sammy Gravano return to NY [Re: tiger84] #776090
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Hes got graves disease. By itself its not necessarily deadly, but it also doesn't help. Especially the heart.

The last picture I saw of him was horrifying. I don't believe in karma, but there is a tiny bit of justice in the universe apparently.


Should probably ask Mr. Kierney. I guess if you're Italian, you should be in prison.
I've read the RICO Act, and I can tell you it's more appropriate...
for some of those guys over in Washington than it is for me or any of my fellas here
Re: Will Sammy Gravano return to NY [Re: NickyEyes1] #776091
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Originally Posted By: NickyEyes1
No way Sammy makes it out alive. He looked horrible in that recent picture.

I'm no good with any of that, Nicky. Can you post that picture for me? I'd like to see it.


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Should probably ask Mr. Kierney. I guess if you're Italian, you should be in prison.
I've read the RICO Act, and I can tell you it's more appropriate...
for some of those guys over in Washington than it is for me or any of my fellas here
Re: Will Sammy Gravano return to NY [Re: LittleNicky] #776093
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Thanks, Nicky.

But Christ, he does look like death on a plate panic.


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Re: Will Sammy Gravano return to NY [Re: tiger84] #776094
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He gets an amazing deal and then goes right to drug dealing once he's free. How can anybody be that stupid?

Re: Will Sammy Gravano return to NY [Re: NickyEyes1] #776095
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Originally Posted By: NickyEyes1
He gets an amazing deal and then goes right to drug dealing once he's free. How can anybody be that stupid?

They're not rocket scientists, son lol.

All kidding aside, call it a criminal gene. Sammy's a sociopath in the truest sense of the word. There's no cure for a scumbag like him.


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Re: Will Sammy Gravano return to NY [Re: LittleNicky] #776108
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Originally Posted By: LittleNicky
Hes got graves disease. By itself its not necessarily deadly, but it also doesn't help. Especially the heart.

The last picture I saw of him was horrifying. I don't believe in karma, but there is a tiny bit of justice in the universe apparently.


Maybe he has HIV/AIDS, or Hepatitis C?

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Re: Will Sammy Gravano return to NY [Re: tiger84] #776128
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Originally Posted By: tiger84
After he is released in 2019 he will be 74 years old im guessing he probably misses NY very much.All the guys he ratted on are either dead in jail or too old maybe their sons might want to harm him but other than that i dont think anyone gives a fuck about SG.Rats are living out in the open today so im guessing in 5 years it will be even worse.

Im not saying he is going to go walking around bensonhurst talking to his old neighbours but maybe he finds a quiet place in manhatten and just lives out his days in low key.He looks really bad the last time i saw a pic of him so if hes alive he will just look like a old dying man


It wasnt that long ago he ratted. He affected a lot of lives by snitching. All it takes is one up and comer thats dying to impress the old timers. Or a son, nephew, family member, etc to retaliate. I doubt he returns. But if so, i wouldnt be surprised if he gets clipped. The families would look soft if he came around and nothing happened. Especially the gambinos


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gravano's betrayal is still relatively "fresh". the guys he directly impacted that ended up in the slammer may not be around any more but their friends and family certainly are. i think he'd certainly be pushing his luck if he decided to take a stroll down a street in the even gentrified parts of brooklyn.

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Originally Posted By: NickyEyes1
No way Sammy makes it out alive. He looked horrible in that recent picture.

prior to flipping sammy was a hardened life time criminal through and through. a highly skilled criminal that became extremely wealthy at that. he's not the kind of guy who can just walk away from the life, both in terms of the potential money involved and in terms of just being on the "outside" of society. he wasn't the kind of guy that made just one bad decision and ended having to serve some time. living a straight life is as alien to him as leading a life of crime is to us.

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Originally Posted By: bobbyvegas
..... i wouldnt be surprised if he gets clipped. The families would look soft if he came around and nothing happened. Especially the gambinos


I would.

There are many prominent rats who have dropped out of the WPP and are living in the open.
The 5 families appear to have a non official policy of not hitting turncoats. At least after the damage has been done. It's apparently not worth the resultant heat from LE.
Now this isn't discounting a young Turk going off the reservation, but in as so far as a Gambino family sanctioned hit? No way. Maybe if Peter Gotti was still running the ship. But the Gotti's and their supporters are no longer a power within the family and the current power bloc, I doubt, would hardly give two shits, let alone risk prosecution for a hit.

I would doubt he'd ever move back. There's nothing there for him. He'll want to live out his few remaining somewhere warm judging by his health.


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Re: Will Sammy Gravano return to NY [Re: tiger84] #776142
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Like Sonny said, once the guy's that've been betrayed are dead or in prison for life, it's probably a lot more convenient for the those still around to simply ignore it -- Why rock the boat when you don't have to? Especially for a hit that would most certainly result in widespread media coverage? There's no surer way to ensure exposure than leaving "illustrious corpses".

At least that's what the pragmatist in me sees. The mafia isn't always logical about this kind of thing, though. There are plenty of hypotheticals I could see it happening under, but in general, it'd probably be best that they simply ignored a guy like Sammy's existence.

Maybe and up and coming guy who wants to make a name for himself, or something? Anything's possible, I guess.

Well, this is something to think about also:

Originally Posted By: dontclickvirus
gravano's betrayal is still relatively "fresh". the guys he directly impacted that ended up in the slammer may not be around any more but their friends and family certainly are. i think he'd certainly be pushing his luck if he decided to take a stroll down a street in the even gentrified parts of brooklyn.


I wonder how high on their list of priorities revenge actually is though? When the result of said revenge could very well end in you going to prison for the rest of your life. It's an interesting question in this case.

Although I (really, really) doubt any flipped mobster is going to lack the foresight to realize that dropping out of WPP and returning to NYC is a veritable death sentence. I like to think most peoples sense of self-preservation would preclude such an obviously questionable decision, no matter how home sick they are.

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Thats the most recent pic but it was taken in 2010 so imagine how much worse he looks now

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Originally Posted By: slumpy
Although I (really, really) doubt any flipped mobster is going to lack the foresight to realize that dropping out of WPP and returning to NYC is a veritable death sentence. I like to think most peoples sense of self-preservation would preclude such an obviously questionable decision, no matter how home sick they are.

PJ Pisciotta (Bonanno rat) is living in a midtown Manhattan high rise and operating several legitimate businesses in the city (2 or 3 gyms and he also owns a piece of a downtown restaurant).

Now he wasn't at the same level as Gravano, but he did hurt a lot of people and his betrayal is a lot more recent. He's living in the same city as Vinny Basciano's sons, who are young, volatile and miss their father (although three of them are heading to prison themselves). I'm just pointing it out because it's not unprecedented for a guy to come back to New York.

And Miami isn't New York, but it's a very high profile city with a lot of criminal activity. And Chris Paciello is living the high life down there at the Delano as a food and beverage "consultant."

I'm just saying, it happens. Hitting such high profile rats at this point would bring way too much heat. The smarter bosses know this. But of course this wouldn't preclude some young cowboy going off the reservation and doing it himself, thinking he'd be making points for himself. So these guys getting hit is always a possibility, but I doubt it would be sanctioned.


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The question is....if a young cowboy goes off the reservation and tries to score some points would he actually score points or would the bosses be more pissed about the heat it would bring?

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Originally Posted By: baldo
The question is....if a young cowboy goes off the reservation and tries to score some points would he actually score points or would the bosses be more pissed about the heat it would bring?

Exactly.


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Count me in on the thought he doesn't survive prison.

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While I don't know much about Graves disease, I am fairly certain that it would require special diets and close care/supervision to survive and I doubt he gets that in prison. Someone asked about him returning to the life of crime after getting a super deal. That is the only life he really knows so where else would he go??. What I find really disturbing is that he would bring his wife, daughter and son into the drug business. You don't much lower than that. Let's say he survives the Graves and gets out. Why not live out your last years somewhere near the shore- like Myrtle Beach which isn't loaded with New Yorkers like Miami or other nice towns. If released, he won,'t have long to last anyway. NYC would be a dumb choice, but he has already demonstrated his stupidity

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Even if he survives will he have any supervised release where he has to stay in state or anything like that?

My cousin was married to a woman with Graves, that shit made her crazy but she also wasn't taking her meds either. bigboy these days the state/feds have to give you some kind of care so they don't get sued so he is getting some but people forget he is up there in age. He did look fairly young when he flipped but he was up there then as well.

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He'll only go back if he needs tee-pee for his bunhole

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Originally Posted By: dixiemafia
Even if he survives will he have any supervised release where he has to stay in state or anything like that?

My cousin was married to a woman with Graves, that shit made her crazy but she also wasn't taking her meds either. bigboy these days the state/feds have to give you some kind of care so they don't get sued so he is getting some but people forget he is up there in age. He did look fairly young when he flipped but he was up there then as well.

Dixie, you are right, the feds will give him care to avoid lawsuits but I would question the QUALITY of the care. Surely they aren't going to find the best doctors like bull could afford if he was out.

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His daughter is on some kind of a show they shoot in Staten Island. If he is alive he will definately be on that show. The ratings for that show will hit the moon.

He is probably not afraid to show up in Brooklyn and buy a cannoli either some day.

He will be on the tonight show one day.


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I think he makes it out of jail in 3 1/2 yrs but hell be mid 70tys and his wife. just don't think they have the money to get up and moved back to any part of nyc. the feds must have really wiped out hes bank accounts, took the house. his wife probably lives with the son or daughter who made some money off the tv show but even she went back to Arizona. looked tuff on tv with the cameras following her around ny, with that girl who quit the show Karen will probably go back. I can already see it they'll try to make a doc on his sammys first days of freedom. hes been in 14yrs hes probably in a prison hospital or a real low level not fences around the yard, but he may have pissed the feds off again for telling that guy famas lawers the hit on that garafolo guy wasn't cause they thought he informant but just in sammys way.

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Even if he survives will he have any supervised release where he has to stay in state or anything like that?

My cousin was married to a woman with Graves, that shit made her crazy but she also wasn't taking her meds either. bigboy these days the state/feds have to give you some kind of care so they don't get sued so he is getting some but people forget he is up there in age. He did look fairly young when he flipped but he was up there then as well.

Dixie, you are right, the feds will give him care to avoid lawsuits but I would question the QUALITY of the care. Surely they aren't going to find the best doctors like bull could afford if he was out.


SG and his family are trashy idiots and bottom feeders, and give Italian-Americans a bad name since they are all media putos, and criminals who get a slap on the wrist since they rat out others.

He supposedly has a disease but this is payback for how he is a rat, and killed lots of people including women.

I doubt SG or his family can afford any sort of health care since they are criminals and saving up money was not one of their priorities.

Also in prisons, and if he's going to assisted living...'accidents' can happen. shhh

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Do u not think this is why there is so many rats ?? There r no consequences so if a mob guy gets in a jam he will think fuck it , these other rats r living in the open so nothing will happen to me either

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Do u not think this is why there is so many rats ?? There r no consequences so if a mob guy gets in a jam he will think fuck it , these other rats r living in the open so nothing will happen to me either

They're damned if they do, damned if they don't, Dom. If they start hitting rats, the Feds will turn it on like a fucking light switch.

It'll never be the same, but it can remain status quo for quite awhile as long as they keep the violence to a minimum. It's almost like there's a silent agreement between the wiseguys and the Feds regarding this.


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Yeah the Feds r basically saying knock off the violence and the drug dealing and we will let u earn , the minute there r bodies dropping in the street the Feds will be all over them like a rash . I can't believe the Feds haven't stated rounding people up in Montreal with all the killings there . Am I correct in thinking they don't use the Rico act there ?

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