One Percenter Clubs have always had relationships with OC Families. Most of the time,they are hired to collect debts (usually gambling or drugs)that can't be legally pursued.
They also will beat or kill individuals at the behest of the Mob,
move stolen motorcycles,and so forth.
This is not the same as working for the Mob. The relationship,if any,is usually on an as needed basis,and neither side is in any way obligated to the other.
Depending on the OC presence in a given area,the same Club will have some chapters that work with the Mob,and some that don't.
In Pittsburgh and Philadelphia,the Pag*ns have been involved with OC off and on for decades. Some people here (western PA)joke about the disproportionate number of Italians in the Pag*ns,saying that there are more Italians in the Pag*ns than there are in Rome. Maybe this has something to do with their OC connections.

Taking a look at Pagans arrests, the ones from the Philadelphia area indeed almost all have an Italian surname. When you look at the arrests from the South Jersey-West Virginia area have more "hillbilly" (by lack of a better term ) sounding names. But yeah, in Philly or New Jersey city areas they seem to be extremely influenced by Italians

Taco Bowman The President of the Outlaws were having disagreements with the Detroit Mob.

There's also issues of recidivism/repeat offending. Such as with the case you mentioned in which the HA beat up some drunk guy. That's all well and good, but that's still assault. People who commit arbitrary acts of violence and have a storied history of doing so (especially if they're members of a gang notorious for doing just that...) will almost certainly receive a longer sentence... And perhaps rightfully so.

I agree that this offence does't really qualify as a RICO statute, but let's be honest, they're splitting hairs. It's one charge out on a laundry list. The fact is most of these guys probably have RAP sheets as long as their arms. The fed can and will use whatever means they can to prosecute people/groups of people prone to repeat criminal behaviour, regardless of how they try to justify it.

Right or wrong, I find it kind if hard to have any sympathy for them.

Who makes more money when it comes to drugs Motorcycle clubs or the Mafia.?

Hey Botz it depends on who you are talking about. If you are talking about Italian OC s in from Italy, then they make way more money off drugs than the OMC's. If you are talking about the American mafia then the OMCs make more.

Hey Slumpy you are right these guys have very extensive rap sheets. I will agree to disagree with you about the importance of the Feds prosecuting these guys. I lived in Rochester NY for most of my life. Anyone from Rochester will tell you that 80-90% of the violence and drugs sold are from local street gangs. However, busting these gangs are a low priority as they do not bring the headlines that busting a bunch of aging Harley riders who occasionally get drunk and sniff a line or smoke a joint. I believe that the Feds should make arrests that improve the quality of life in a city not just to advance their own careers. This is my opinion. Furthermore, I know many of these guys on a personal level so I do not get all of my information from the Feds so I actually form my own opinions based on what I believe not what others believe.

I truly mean no disrespect slumpy, its just this case in particular is personal to me as I grew up with many of these guys and I do not demonize them the way the Feds would like me to. Finally, I agree that if these guys break the law they should be punished, just do not blame the group for the actions of one person. Not every Catholic priest is bad because a few were pedophiles, you get my point.

Killing : Don't think that it is just the Pagans per say.I think it has to do where masses are geographically.we are predominately in Pagans territory.
Back in the 60s and 70s there were a few Hells Angels down in Ventnor and Philly but it was mostly Pagans that were connected to our local guys.
Philly had the Wheels of Soul but they had a rough time branching out cos of the color of most of there skin,and they just did not have the pull.

Hey Serp were the Warlocks around then too? I heard they were but the Pagans pretty much drove them out.

I don't think so ,if they were you did not see them like the Pagans.I can remember back in 60s this black cycle club was coming to the city and they city shut down all the schools courts but for some reason i can't remember the club.I don't know if it was going to be a club to club fight or what ,but it was crazy in the city for a couple days. It was not Wheels of Soul, It was Big club and all over the news.So anyway that club was around and very large,there name was known ...

I just got" it it was the "Black Panthers Motorcycle club" and they were going to fight a rival club ,Dam it sucks getting old "but who ever that club was they were large also.I see guys on here search old news i don't know how.But it would be in the Atlantic city press late 60s early 70s....

yeah, I mentioned this in the other thread. biker violence tends to be disorganized and spontaneous. it's not like it's portrayed in the media with biker clubs taking part in a conspiracy where the members sit in a meeting plotting out crimes.

I agree America. I think people get the idea that these clubs are like the Sons of anarchy. Similar to how people think the real life mafia is just like the sopranos.

I just spent time talking with a long-time member of the Outcast MC. in the last few years they've had several deadly flare-ups with the Wheels of Soul MC. both are black outlaw MC's.

yeah, it's not like that at all. I heard an interview with former Hells Angel and Satan's Choice member of 46 years, lorne Campbell, and he went so far as to call it "disorganized crime", which I think is more accurate.

Ameri : I never herd of them, but i am up on the (Wheels) had a few working for me for a very long time. One white guy still active still works for me.

I will PM u something cos you may b able to fill in something.

Also the club way back was" Black Panthers "

ok, sounds good i'll look out for your PM. I'm not familiar with the Black Panthers MC. I looked up their name in the One-Percenter Encyclopedia but didn't see them mentioned. The Wheels seem to be expanding into new territory, for instance I've seen some in Atalnta which is Outcast MC stomping grounds since at least tbe 70s.

The Hells Angels may be famous but what club would u consider fierce?

None, history has proved that a 4 wheeled vehicle versus Five 2 wheeled vehicles will result in the 4 wheeled vehicle winning in chicken.

From what I've read and seen about the USA, there was a period the Outlaws and Pagans seemed to be absolutely out of control and ruthless. Mongols, Bandidos and Sons Of Silence were/are up there as well.

In Europe in the Netherlands and Northern Germany the Hells Angels can be extremely dangerous, but they're generally pretty sneaky about it. Two cases come to mind: in Holland the Limburg-based Nomads chapter of the Hells Angels once tortured a Colombian drug trafficker to death, cutting his head off, chopping up his body and dispoosing of him after stealing his narcotics. This case lead to settling of internal disputes in the HA Holland.
In Kiel, Northern Germany, they discovered a torture chamber owned by the Angels. A rival drug trafficker was found slaughtered in that chamber. These sets can be pretty bad.
In Trois Rivières and especially British Columbia the Angels can be just as brutal, the Vernon Greeks case proved that.

The other main European club Satudarah has been linked to vicious cases as well. They were linked to the "Tattoo Killers", a crew of contract killers of mostly Moluccan descent that were involve in an array of murder and maimings for hire

New story on the philadelphia outlaws. Are they on good terms with the pagans?

MARYLAND MEN SENTENCED IN PHILADELPHIA OUTLAWS MOTORCYCLE CLUB METH-CONSPIRACY CASE
MARCH 18, 2014
BY VAN SMITH


OMC patchMichael James “Maniac” Privett and Ronald “Bugs” Sells must be relieved their recent law-enforcement ordeals are now over – especially since the Maryland men, from Baltimore and Churchville, respectively, who pleaded guilty last May in Philadelphia federal court to participating in a methamphetamine conspiracy in connection with the Philly chapter of the Outlaws Motorcycle Club (OMC), received lenient sentences.

On March 13, U.S. District Judge Petrese Tucker gave Privett a sentence of time served and three years of supervised release, while Sells got 30 months in prison, followed by five years of federal supervision. Sells had been president of the Philly OMC, played a central role in the meth deal uncovered by the FBI’s operation, and was paroled in 1978 after a 1972 second-degree murder conviction in Ohio, according to court documents. Privett was the chapter’s “warlord,” or enforcer, according to court documents, and had threatened an FBI undercover operative over an unpaid meth debt involving Sells; he has prior assault, drug-possession, and accessory-after-the-fact convictions.

Privett, while awaiting sentencing on supervised release, restricted to his O’Donnell Heights/Graceland Park home in Baltimore, was convicted last fall of assault in Baltimore City, court records show.

Last summer, Maxine Radloff, described in court records as Privett’s fiancé, called his federal pre-trial services officer to say Privett “stole her vehicle and assaulted her” on Aug. 3, and “was charged with second degree assault, theft ($1,000 – $10,000), motor vehicle/unlawful taken, and unauthorized removal of property,” court documents state, adding that she believed he was using crack cocaine. As a result, a federal warrant for Privett’s arrest was issued, alleging he’d violated his release conditions, and he was back in custody by Aug. 13.

On Aug. 26, though, federal court records state that “Govt. and Defense have agreed to conditions of release” for Privett, and he continued on $50,000 bail – yet a month later, after Privett pleaded not guilty in the Baltimore City District Court case Radloff brought against him, he was found guilty of second-degree assault and received a three-year suspended prison sentence, three years of probation, and a $3,000 restitution order. That’s not the only money Privett now owes: on March 13, the same day he was sentenced by Tucker, Atlantic Financial Federal Credit Union sued him to collect nearly $4,000.

Privett’s attorney in Philadelphia, Jeffrey Lindy, did not return a phone call to discuss the case.

In 2008, 44-year Baltimore police veteran and Chosen Sons Motorcycle Club co-founder Norman Stamp was killed in a brawl at the Haven Place strip club in East Baltimore during a club gathering for the initiation of a new member: Michael Privett, according to press accounts at the time – though City Paper has not been able to confirm whether the initiate was the Philly OMC’s Privett or another man with the same name.

After Sells and Privett were indicted, in April a related indictment was filed, charging two more Philly Outlaws – Marylander Robert Mansfield and Joseph “Timber” Malcolm – in the meth conspiracy. Assistant U.S. attorney Robert Livermore is prosecuting both cases, and in court documents called Mansfield “a significant drug trafficker” in Baltimore who is the Philly OMC’s “main supplier” who “could obtain unlimited quantities of pure methamphetamine directly from a Mexican cartel.”

Malcolm and Mansfield allegedly gave Sells and the FBI undercover two pounds of meth on credit last January, and when they weren’t quickly paid, Sells, when visited by his creditors at his Churchville home, told them the undercover – who no one yet knew was actually working for the FBI – had the drugs and had not yet sold them. Malcolm “was on electronic monitoring and wearing an ankle bracelet” at the time, according to court documents, indicating he was under a court’s supervision, and did not go on a debt-collecting visit to the undercover, but he and Mansfield then allegedly had Privett threaten Sells and the undercover – and allegedly proceeded to threaten the undercover themselves, with Mansfield saying he was going to “have to start taking people apart” and Malcolm saying “your whole family is in danger,” according to court documents.

Sells, meanwhile, allegedly took pains to keep the OMC out of the meth-dealing picture. “This shit can’t be in the clubhouse,” he said of the meth, while talking to the undercover and other club members at his Churchville home. “If the bosses find out, I’m going to be dead and so are you.”

At the time, “Mansfield was on state parole in Maryland,” Livermore explained in court filings, and “had failed to report to his parole officer for many months. If convicted of these offenses, Mansfield faces a mandatory life sentence on account of his two prior drug trafficking convictions and the seriousness of the present charges.”

The case against Malcolm has been delayed because, as revealed in court documents in October, he is now a fugitive. Mansfield, though, pleaded guilty in October – whether he receives light penalties, like Privett and Sells did, will be learned at his sentencing, which is scheduled for late April.

Hi Scorcese. I have heard that the Outlaws get along with the Pagans. I would not call them friends though. I have heard they are friendly mainly due to the fact that they both hate the Hells Angels.

This brings me to my next point. When people talk about the Hells Angels they always talk about Sonny Barger. What many do not realize is that the HA in the USA has always been divided into two groups: the East and the West. During the 1960s until the 1980s, the Western Chapters saw Sonny Barger as top dog. In the east, they recognized and respected Barger, but they saw their true leader as Sandy Alexander, the boss of the NYC chapter. Alexander is the guy who sent his guys up north to Canada. He also had long standing ties with many of the 5 families. If anyone has any interest I would be happy to post more about Alexander and his ties to the Italians. Alexander is the guy who really escalated the war with the Outlaws, even more so than Barger. Alexander's tactics helped to make the Angels the number 1 club, but also the most hated club. His methods were well illustrated with the killing of his own brothers up north before Mom Boucher took over. It was Alexander's methods that Boucher really admired.

I think generally your right about the zero tolerance toward child abuse type crimes.

Here in Australia there was a HA, Chris Hudson, who triggered a biker war when he patched over from "the FINKS",(now patched over as a club by the "MONGOLS"). His defection set off numerous altercations including the all in brawl at a kickboxing event between the two clubs at a casino on the gold coast. (Type in "Ballroom Blitz" bikie fight on YouTube; good footage). This scumbag then went on a one man drug fuelled crime spree down Australia's east coast culminating in a broad daylight shooting in Melbourne's CBD of his stripper girlfriend and two innocent bystanders who tried to stop him from wailing on the girl, killing one and leaving bullets in the other two. Still, when he was on the run and ultimately on trial, his 81 brothers turned out to support him.

In contrast is this other guy, Terrence Tognolini, a full patch and office holder in Melbourne Chapter. This dude was a serious player involved in major narcotic manufacture and distribution and several murders. (See attached news article for more in depth profile on Mr.Tognolini
http://www.theage.com.au/news/in-depth/the-silent-enforcer/2006/09/23/1158431949691.html)
However when he was caught banging a couple of underage girls (read kids..cant remember exact details but they were like 11 or 12 years old)His chapter members beat him within an inch of his life, removed club tats with a blow torch and dumped him in a wheelbarrow where they wheeled him to the curb side waiting for hard rubbish pickup. Needless to say he was out bad.
Zero tolerance to messin with kids in Australia. Its good to see even the clubs have standards with this sort of thing.

what are the rules of the pagans? will they seek vengence on this guy? also this guys father(the shooter) is in the philly pd organized crime task force if that means any thing.. the guy who was shot s father is a captain in philly Fire dept. ....how big are the pagans here in philly? warlocks ? outlaws?

Philadelphia Pag*ns are the real deal.They are very strong and have a great deal of juice with the cops and courts,just like here in Western Pa. As far as revenge on the shooter,it's a tough call. When Gorilla was shot by the 10th and O guys,no action was taken ,and this caused a rift in the Club.It is believed that the reason that he (Gorilla) stabbed Casual (chapter Pres, at the time)was because he couldn't get the Club brass to OK a revenge hit.
With the Brick shooting,who knows? If it really was a non-Pag*n related family dispute, it may pass. But from the article,it seems that the victim and several other Pag*ns showed up and tried to kick this guys door in. This can lead to an interesting dynamic. If they were wearing their cuts,then it could be considered Club business,and an attack on one is an attack on all. If they were wearing cuts,and went to help their brother kick some ass,it is amazing that the shooter wasn't dead at the scene.
If they were not wearing cuts,it can go a number of ways.In the OMG world there are generally accepted protocols,but without knowing more about this particular incident,nobody can really say what may or may not happen as a result.

These bikers are a bunch of trash

interesting , thanks Lou

Iron Horsemen vs. Detroit Highwaymen

Updated: Saturday, March 1 2014, 07:18 PM EST CINCINNATI

(Rich Jaffe) -- Cincinnati police as well as other law enforcement agencies promise to put an end to an increasingly violent turf war between what they are now calling two biker "gangs". Cincinnati Police Sergeant Bill Halusek says, "With the gun violence involved as well, it's to the point it's out of control and we're gonna do something about it." Clashes between the Iron Horsemen and the Detroit Highwaymen have been increasing over the last couple of years. Ever since the Highwaymen set up shop in what for years has been recognized in the motorcycle community as the "turf" of the Iron Horsemen. But in just the last few days that violence has taken a new turn, and law enforcement says they've had enough and are going to stop it. Monday at this point we were talking about an attack early Saturday morning at the Iron Horsemen's clubhouse in Covington. Multiple shots were fired there, and investigators say something akin to a "molotov cocktail" was thrown at the house. Tuesday we obtained surveillance video of the attacks that may have lead to that and police want your help to stop it before someone dies. The attacks began last Wednesday night just outside the Detroit Highwaymen's clubhouse at 8th and State in Lower Price Hill. It was around 11 o'clock when Iron Horsemen on two motorcycles rolled past and stopped. Cincinnati Police Sergeant Bill Halusek explained what we were watching in the surveillance video. "They stop at the red light and for whatever reason, Detroit Highwaymen gang members come out remove one of them from his motorcycle and steal his motorcycle." Moments later the Highwaymen roll the motorcycle into their clubhouse. Less than an hour later a group of Iron Horsemen rendezvous just up the street at the Shell gas station and apparently work out a battle plan. Police want the public's help identifying two men in particular who's faces can be clearly seen inside the Shell station. They also want to know who owns the big Ford Duelly truck seen in the video. The group piles into their vehicles and heads to confront their rivals just down the street. Initially there's shouting with the Highwaymen in front of the clubhouse. Then Highwaymen run for cover when police say the Horsemen open fire. Halusek tells us, "I won't legitimize them by calling them a club. They're a gang. When you look at the Ohio Revised Code and what a gang is these groups meet the definition to a "T". They are why that section of law was written." Saturday morning the violence shifted to the Iron Horsemen's Covington clubhouse. Cincinnati police say the violence is out of control and law enforcement is going to do something about it. They're putting both "gangs" on the list of targets for their initiative to reduce violence. Sergeant Halusek said, "We are not gonna tolerate it. That we will marshal every resource we have to end the gun violence. They've made themselves targets of ours now. They are big blips on our radar screen." Sergeant Halusek points out that multiple felonies were committed during the attacks on the Iron Horsemen. The theft of the motorcycle was also a felony. But he says the Iron Horsemen also committed felony offenses when they came back and fired at an occupied building. The question for everyone is what happens next? Police need the public's help identifying both the big, dark colored Ford Duelly. It's believed to be an F-450 and the two men on the video.

Read More at: http://www.local12.com/news/features/top...ymen-8791.shtml

a new all out war.

Outlaw Motorcycle gangs have changed a lot over the years. They started out as a bunch of drunk, rowdy vets then towards the '70s became more involved in the rackets. Most of the "clubs" now are somewhere in between. Most of the "chapters" are just a few heads deep and generally work independent from each other than when they ride together on "runs" to motorcycle rallies. A lot of guys have legit jobs doing construction or working on cars.

They sure are a lot more clean cut then they used to be. Most of the Hells Angels here in California are clean shaven jock-looking guys who usually dress in modern hip-hop style cloths. The other major clubs around here are the Mongols and the Vagos. These groups have a larger number of Hispanic members and identify more with "cholo" style clothes and tattoos.

I agree that the cops and the media really play these guys up like they are the top dogs in the underworld. While they do have some serious juice on the street, they hardly run the show. They still have to tow the line like every other gang and bow down to the M.

The Mongols found that out the hard way back when Doc was calling the shots from the club. They really got themselves in a mess. I don't know if the green light has been lifted, but I know that a lot of these act hard on the street with their colors on and their "bros" with them but when they hit County they PC up real quick.