In may be biased, but I nominate Buffalo
Paddy Calabrese
Tony Mastrocco
Ron Fino
John Sacco
That's about it

Chicago and Genovese

are you the new boss of Rockford?

No...turned it down

(it's no mystery, think Peanuts...but I digress)

Detroit partnership have only ever had one rat , nove tocco

"Paddy Calabrese"

Was there really a guy named that? Isn't that like being named Dago McKinley or something like that.

Haha no bs on i was on a float trip one time and met a mexican with an irish accent.fukn hilarious.but dago mckinley is great

He was one of the first, if not the first guy to ever be placed in the witness protection program. There was a movie called "Hide in plain sight" which was based in part on his true story
"Paddy" is a nickname for Pasquale
Buffalo had two Paddys
Terzini and Calabrese

Hahahahahaha

Poorly asked question.

A now defunct family like Rockford which has historically had 20 odd members (at a guess, and no I dont care what the real number is, this is just an illustration) has had a total membership of (during its lifetime as an active family) 2-3 generations ie (2.5*20) 50 made guys in its ranks over the life of the family.

This compared with the Genovese family which has approx 275 guys as an historical avg. So 275*2.5=687 odd members.

Each has had a similar number of rats but in the above context there is a marked difference.

So Rockford has had a 10% 'infestation' with the Genovese less than 1%

First...Rockford is not defunked

Second..NY is now and has has been full of rats since the late 70s, becuse from around 76 to 1995, they would make a broken bag of shells, like Domonic Bretti for example, and promote it to Capo a few years later...so NY was never in the scope of the question to begin with.

But, if you would like to address the question on a "per capita" basis, go for it.

But even you have to admit that the Genovese are a cut above the rest of the NYC families. They are one family that doesn't make any old mope that hooks up with them.

I've always wonders who the Buffalo soldier was that the Caan film is based on. Thanks.

I would say you are correct, while IMO the Colombos are the worst

No problem...It was a gritty relitivly low budget movie, which to me was what made it pretty cool

Hummmm...Interesting...does that include the Dallas faction too?
I have some nagging memory of one of the Dallas guys flipping at some point

I don't think the Dallas family was ever officially under the thumb of New Orleans. It was more of a Milwaukee & KC relation to Chicago.

And the Colombos are definitely the worst example of NYC when it comes to rats. They were devastated by informants in the nineties.

That. Case Closed.

The Colombos & Philadelphia are by far the worst. Snitching isn't just a culture in Philly, it's a way of life.

Arm,

who was Tony Mastrocco, and where was he from ?

The Luccheses and Bonannos each have only a couple less members having flipped than the Colombos.

He was from Rome NY, he was a Buffalo associate who reported directly to Benny Carcone and he practically sank the Falange (Utica) crew by whining to his girlfriend on the phone while in Oneida County Jail, being a mole for Bretti and the Colombos through that fat fuck Teeter Nole, and later being an FBI informent when Benny found out he was leaking info to Bretti and engenged one of the old local 442 guys to whack him. He is either dead or somewhere out in the WPP.

thanks Arm. had never heard of Tony Mastrocco before.

No problem...if memory serves me right he may have also testrified against Bretti, D'Ameco and Nappi in the Grillo murder. I know he was at least questioned. I can't remember a case when such a low level punk caused so much greif for two failies.

there was a lot of activity in the rome/utica area, wasnt there ? seems to still be alot going on there.

Alwyas has. Valachi testified to over 30 made guys in the area.
In then late 70s and early 80s it was the eastern front of the A-B-C wars, and later became a war zone of it's own. Buffalo Loyalists vs Rochester seperatists and Colombos and Buffalinos looking for an in to the area. Old timers coming out of semi retirement, Mad Dog Sullivan being called in against Buffalo, The commission resusing to make a ruling (Tony Ducks quoted as saying "I don't give a shit who runs those cow towns)Two women in the body count, a third nearly beathen to death, a lawyer(Totally against the rules)whacked by the Colombos and an attempt on a second one's life and in the end,that was more than the Feds could take and 14 guys from 3 families went to Prison.

Today there is a lean mean group of mostly young Buffalo associates and Turning Stone casino and construction thanks to the stimulous has reserected the area. Local 442 is no longer but local 35 still exists.
I hear a lot of talk about Bosnians, but no idea what that is all about

Arm, venture a guess on how many made guys in the area. then give me your opinion on how many made guys in the buffalo family today.im guessing at least 50.

In Utica/Rome, I can tell you for sure, there are 5....another 3 in Syracuse.
All of Buffalo...I would say around 50 is accurate
You are going to hear people claim as low as 10 to 15, those people are what I like to call...wrong.
They are not seeing the big picture
Albany
Middletown
Utica/Rome
Syracuse
Rochester
Hamiltion
Both sides of the Falls
Toronto
Erie/Ohio
Vegas
Arizona
Florida

If youre including in your estimate of 50 buttons the ndrangheta clans that operate in and around Hamilton and Toronto and who dont give a flying fuck what Buffalo says (or have even heard of Buffalo) you may be close in your estimate of 50.

Otherwise you're delusional, or you know something everyone else in the world doesn't.

I know which way Im leaning.