and i said,

WHAT THIS STORY IS CRAP FULL STOP, I THINK IF A CRIMINAL GETS HIT THEY WILL KILL EVERY REPUBLICAN IN NORTH DUBLIN AND WE WILL HAVE SOME POSTS ON THIS THREAD FOR WEEKS LOL.

Sean i also in next post put up a Criminal Action Force operation in North Dublin which convenly you left out of your post.

Everyone is entitled to a political viewpoint it is called democracy abe.

That is very true.
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Okay abe, at least you do carry yourself with decorum unlike some other posters on this thread who have descended to plain abuse. Any jibes at you abe have always meant to have been light hearted I apologise if you think I intentionally set out to insult you.

And make no mistake I am no apologist for mindless violence nor the killing of innocent people for I've been to the funeral of too many innocent people slain.

Five Felonies made it personal by making a joke of the death of very close family you cannot accuse me of doing the same.

My only gripe with you is that I cannot understand why you continually choose to glorify the Brits and petty drug pushers and dealers who are a dime a dozen in any city in the western world abe even the woosified UK.

If you can answer this question I might respect you more. How did you think Margaret Thatcher handled the troubles? If you can't bring yourself to criticise her then well plainly I rest my case.

And my mother comes from north Dublin abe and is a devout Republican. Three of her brothers died for the cause one as young as 17. Does she deserve to die for believing in a united Ireland? Republicanism is about unity not division that's what the Brits done when they went back on their word and re-ignited the troubles in 1969.

I have some questions for our IRA enthusiasts;

1. can anyone update me as to the state of irish Republicanism/Separatism? Is the movement still strong?

2. Do CIRA and RIRA mantain a strong presence? Are they carrying out an on going military campaign?

3. Compared to Scotland whose separatist movement has the most momentum?

1) The situation at present is fairly precarious they have remained a potent threat in the north of Ireland and Peter Robinson has now revealed that he would never have entered the peace process if he had known about IRA 'Get Out Of Jail Free Cards' and the Unionists will never compromise so unfortunately things are beginning to look depressing again.

2) Yes the military campaign is ongoing attacks on RUC officers, prison officers and army personnel are still frequent and considering the modern methods they are up against could you imagine LCN taking on the military, the toughest criminals (losers and bums but dangerous gangbangers nonetheless) and having the expertise to surveillance the police at the same time? I don't think so somehow so the IRA are not to be under-estimated even in recent portrayal of Irish gangsters in Dublin (never been the strongest section of the IRA) there's a great RTE flick called Love/Hate which showed how petrified Irish gangbangers still were of "the Rar" as they are known
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1vqCkf37XI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSD8nMfHxiI

Both episodes unmissable

If you want a real depiction about what happens when Dublin's mob fucks with "the Rar" then look no further than this episode of RTE drama 'Love/Hate' which shows the Irish mob in Dublin running scared as one their 'pals' lies in hispital for pissing off the IRA or "the Rar" as they are known in Dublin.

Don't listen to abe the IRA aren't the force they were before the peace process but that's like saying the NYC/NJ Mafia haven't been the same since the introduction of RICO.

One difference the IRA are still fighting the army, RUC and Ireland's toughest criminals. So would you underestimate these guys with the millions the Brits are throwing at trying to end them yet the IRA are still alive and kicking don't listen to abe's pro-Brit propaganda he has an agenda and is a pro-Brit Unionist so don't expect a balanced opinion from him.

I find the situation in N. Ireland very interesting. Not only is it a sectarian conflict based on ideological difference, but also one of ethnic descent, religion and State. I find it extremely difficult to condemn the IRA, to be honest. I mean, in the same way that I can condemn the LCN or the Hell's Angels.

I also find with these guys its very hard to find objective opinions that are not mired in propaganda from both sides of the argument. The Brits have a storied history of down playing the Republican movement and the Irish right to sovereignty in the North. And sort of act like she should simply be grateful for Britain "giving" the Irish the south.

The IRA often act like martyrs whose unfortunate civilian killings were an acceptable tragedy of a legitimate war against an oppressive state. But then again, there really are a lot of descendents of british protestants living in the North that fear marginalization and violence at the hands of Catholic republicans - Although I understand that there are also protestant republicans and catholic unionists, though rare.

I'm just very itnerested to see what happens int he british isles over the next ten years. it could be we are seeing the last vestiges of a British empire on the verge of a final collapse. If it can't hold on to Scotland (they have a referendum coming up relatively soon IIRC), how can it hold onto Ireland?

Okay so now LA has become majority Hispanic does that give them the right to tear down the flag of the USA?

The British Parliament conceded Ireland's right to independence and it was only Unionist and Brit aristocrats threat of terrorism home and abroad that led to partition and the implementation of a gerrymandered majority in an Irish state.

There are muslim majorities in East London. Can they now vote for partition and wave the flag of Pakistan in East London now as if they own the place?

Britain have always been an occupying force in Ireland what right does an illegally occupying force to have to selectively partition off the most financially lucrative parts of a country when the democratic majority overwhelmingly voted for independence and freedom which was also democratically ratified by the British Parliament until threats of bloodshed of violence were allowed to override democracy and install a fake British state.

Can this happen in any country then? In that case why wasn't autonomy given to the south after the civil war? A minute, pitifully tiny minority wanted Ireland to remain British but in a true democracy the majority's verdict is right.

They could have still waved their Union flags there have never been any attacks on Anglican Church Of Ireland followers in the South. They live in peace in Ireland to this very day but th injustice of British occupying six counties has even been conceded by the British crown.

There are parts of London where there are more Russian than brits perhaps they should be allowed to declare South Kensington Russian or better still Brighton Beach?

The Brits were illegally occupying a country and never complied with democracy so why not allow Russia to do what they like in the Ukraine then? It was good enough for the Brits

EVen British singer Elvis Costello could see the inustice as could 'Sir' Paul McCartney. The Brits haven't got a leg to stand on. They stole our land, end of story.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yhkwj85VzcE

And this rivalry extends into Scotland and the Ranger's fans have the bare faced cheek to tell the Celtic fans to "go home". Laughable when you come to think of it why can't the Irish in the UK partition off Liverpool, Manchester, Kilburn and the East End Of Glasgow if a waving of a flag gives you a right to democracy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzJO9K__n9A

As usual the Brits get battered look how many of the blues end up laid out on the floor

Dude... I didnt say or imply any of this. We essentially share the same opinion

Okay Slumpy no problem as usual politics tends to get people over-heated and I respect your opinion as a fellow member of this board.

Sean could you sustain the allegation you outline in this post i said i was pro-Brit Unionist or whatever, i am sitting here waiting on you.

Okay abe, at least you do carry yourself with decorum unlike some other posters on this thread who have descended to plain abuse. Any jibes at you abe have always meant to have been light hearted I apologise if you think I intentionally set out to insult you.

And make no mistake I am no apologist for mindless violence nor the killing of innocent people for I've been to the funeral of too many innocent people slain.

Five Felonies made it personal by making a joke of the death of very close family you cannot accuse me of doing the same.

My only gripe with you is that I cannot understand why you continually choose to glorify the Brits and petty drug pushers and dealers who are a dime a dozen in any city in the western world abe even the woosified UK.

If you can answer this question I might respect you more. How did you think Margaret Thatcher handled the troubles? If you can't bring yourself to criticise her then well plainly I rest my case.

And my mother comes from north Dublin abe and is a devout Republican. Three of her brothers died for the cause one as young as 17. Does she deserve to die for believing in a united Ireland? Republicanism is about unity not division that's what the Brits done when they went back on their word and re-ignited the troubles in 1969. [/quote]

Margaret Thatcher was an old bag.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/chief-suspects-in-seven-murders-flee-to-libya-30065451.html

KEN FOY CRIME CORRESPONDENT – PUBLISHED 05 MARCH 2014 08:39 AM

TWO Dublin brothers suspected of seven murders have fled the country.

Gardai are tracking the men, nicknamed the Taliban, with the help of Interpol after they are believed to have escaped to Libya.

The brothers, who have close ties to the north African country, are wanted for questioning in relation to a spate of gun killings here – including the double murder of cousins Glen Murphy and Mark Noonan in 2010.

Gardai have spent years monitoring the activities of the suspected hitmen.

The brothers grew up in the Coolock area and were heavily involved in organised burglaries and armed robberies even when they were just teenagers.

The feared siblings then progressed onto contract killings and became the main hitmen for the ‘Mr Big’ crime organisation.

It is understood that the brothers fled to Libya in recent months after the organised crime gang that they were involved with imploded.

Several members of this gang have already been charged with serious offences and others have fled the country.

The gang organised and carried out the murder of Real IRA terror chief Alan Ryan in September, 2012 — however, the brothers are not suspected of being directly involved in that hit.

They are the chief suspects in two gruesome double murders including the savage slayings of Ballybough men Joseph Redmond (25) and Anthony Burnett (31). The two Dublin men who were shot and burned in a forest near Dundalk, Co Louth in March, 2012.

An adjourned inquest into the two men’s deaths heard that they both died from gunshot wounds to the head and that both bodies were found “completely charred with superimposed extensive thermal-related skeletal fractures.”

The brothers are also prime suspects for another high-profile double murder. Cousins Glen Murphy (19) from O’Devaney Gardens and Mark Noonan (23) from Drumalee — both in the north inner city — were shot dead outside a Tesco Express service station at the Clearwater shopping centre in Finglas in November, 2010.

Gardai are satisfied that the cousins were victims of mistaken identity — shot dead as part of a Coolock drugs feud that they had no involvement in.

Neither of the victims had any involvement in gangland crime but were shot dead when a “non-sophisticated” tracking device was mistakenly put on a Toyota Avensis car owned

by Mark Noonan, instead of a

car belonging to a major rival of the gang.

After the double murder, gardai found the device concealed in the rear of the Avensis and believe it had been planted there on behalf of the major northside criminal who had ordered a hit.

An adjourned inquest into the cousins’ murders heard last August that an “extensive investigation” into the double murder was taking place.

The notorious brothers are also the chief suspects for the murder of small time criminal James Perdue (22) who was shot dead in Donaghmede in June, 2006.

They are also believed to have some involvement in the slayings of innocent men Warren O' Connor (24) who was stabbed to death in January, 2010 and Keith Fitzsimons (23) who was gunned down in June, 2006.

CLOSE

The good Friday agreement ended any claim on Northern Ireland from the republic of Ireland. Not that they really wanted it anyway.


Traditional IRA are finished and criminal gangs have them running scared in the ROI

The dissident republicans are small in number and are dangerous but but as mainstream republicanism gave in, they have little support

All in all its the usual tribal politics in Ulster, most of the younger generation want more and idiots like Sean South who cheer from afar whilst being spoon fed republican bullshit would be as welcome in Dublin or Belfast as a pork chop at a Jewish wedding!

All the traditional IRA wanted was a fair hearing and once they were given that and civil rights the majority on both sides decided freedom and democracy was the way forward UNLIKE IDIOTS LIKE YOU WHO STILL BRAY to this day "IRA ran away" when the fantasy simply doesn't stack up to the facts.

It was a stalemate and whilst Loyalist paramilitaries had (according to FF) the finest special forces in the world working as an undercover terrorist cell to contend with (also clarified by a member of the UVF), the Loyalist RUC and the Loyalist paramilitaries British intelligence conceded the IRA could never be defeated.

It was the Loyalist paramilitaries burning the homes of innocent civilians at a time when the IRA were reaching out for peace that started the troubles in the first place the evidence is overwhelming and yet you continue to act like you won some kind of war.

Bobby Sands went 66 days without food before dying the Brits didn't even last a day let alone a week. Without the British forces and RUC to hide behind the Loyalist paramilitaries would have been wiped out in a week.

And democracy will eventually seal a united Ireland the population will be majority Catholic soon so you will soon have defeat.

'Hunger' is a film by Steve McQueen an impartial observer that reveals the truth. It was bigotry and hatred from the Brits that caused this war your occupation will be overturned it is only a matter of time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmVPCX0LxN8

You should listen to the REAL version of history instead of the warped republican view..


The loyalist paramilitaries came into existence to defend their community which was already under attack. I had family who had to leave their homes in the early 60s as their streets were under constant attack.

Bring it back to today, I suggest you try and learn how things really are.


I have lived it, my family have lived it, I have lost family, I have lost friends. So some plastic spouting shite from thousands of miles away wants to grow up and see the reality of life!!

Absolute nonsense, no member of the Anglican Church of Ireland has ever been attacked in the free state.

You are a complete joke British and I don't need to brag about any involvement I had in the fight. I come from a very tough family with contacts in Monaghan, South Armagh, Dublin and New York.

Pat Nee from Boston knows about my contribution as does JC so don't bullshit me and don't insult my manhood I can arrange for you to meet with some members of my family any time you like. For a friendly drink of course

From the British BBC...

'In 1964, a peaceful civil rights campaign began in Northern Ireland. The civil rights movement sought to end discrimination against Catholics (including those of Catholic background) and Irish nationalists by the Protestant and unionist-dominated government of Northern Ireland. It called for:
an end to job discrimination – it showed evidence that Catholics/nationalists were less likely to be given certain jobs, especially government jobs
public housing to be allocated on the basis of need rather than religion or political views – it showed evidence that unionist-controlled local councils allocated housing to Protestants ahead of Catholics/nationalists
one man, one vote – in NI, only householders could vote in local elections, while in the rest of the UK all adults could vote
an end to gerrymandering of electoral boundaries – this meant that nationalists had less voting power than unionists, even where nationalists were a majority
reform of the police force (Royal Ulster Constabulary or RUC) – it was almost 100% Protestant and accused of sectarianism and police brutality
repeal of the Special Powers Act – this allowed police to search without a warrant, arrest and imprison people without charge or trial, ban any assemblies or parades, and ban any publications; the Act was used almost exclusively against nationalists and republicans[39][40][41][42][43]
In March and April 1966, Irish republicans held parades throughout Ireland to mark the 50th anniversary of the Easter Rising. On 8 March, a group of former IRA members blew up Nelson's Pillar in Dublin. At the time, the IRA was weak and not engaged in armed action, but some unionists and loyalists warned that it was about to be revived and launch another campaign against Northern Ireland.[40][44] In April, loyalists led by Ian Paisley, a Protestant fundamentalist preacher, founded the Ulster Constitution Defence Committee (UCDC). It set up a paramilitary-style wing called the Ulster Protestant Volunteers (UPV).[40] The 'Paisleyites' set out to stymie the civil rights movement and oust Terence O'Neill, Prime Minister of Northern Ireland. Although O'Neill was a unionist, they saw him as being too 'soft' on the civil rights movement and too friendly with the Republic of Ireland.


A UVF mural in Belfast
At about the same time, a group of loyalists calling itself the "Ulster Volunteer Force" (UVF) emerged in the Shankill area of Belfast. It was led by Gusty Spence, a former British soldier. Many of its members were also members of the UCDC and UPV.[45] On 7 May 1966 it petrol bombed a Catholic-owned pub in the Shankill. The fire killed the elderly Protestant widow who lived next door.[40] On 21 May, the UVF issued a statement declaring "war" against the IRA. It vowed to "execute" IRA members and anyone helping them. The statement ended: "We are heavily armed Protestants dedicated to this cause".[46] On 27 May the UVF fatally shot a Catholic civilian, John Scullion, as he walked home.[40] On 26 June it shot three Catholic civilians as they left a pub, killing one.[40][46] Shortly after, the UVF was made illegal by the NI Government.[40]
The Northern Ireland Civil Rights Association (NICRA) was formed in January 1967.[47][48] On 20 June 1968, civil rights activists (including Austin Currie, an Irish nationalist MP) protested against housing discrimination by squatting in a house in Caledon, County Tyrone. The local council had allocated the house to an unmarried 19-year-old Protestant girl (the secretary of a local Unionist politician) instead of two Catholic families with children.[49] RUC officers – one of whom was the girl's brother – forcibly removed the activists.[49] Two days before the protest, the two Catholic families who had been squatting in the house next door were removed by police.[50] Currie had brought their grievance to the local council and to Stormont, but had been told to leave. The incident invigorated the civil rights movement.[51]


A monument to Northern Ireland's first civil rights march
On 24 August 1968, the civil rights movement held its first civil rights march, from Coalisland to Dungannon. Many more marches would be held over the following year. Loyalists (especially members of the UPV) attacked some of the marches and held counter-demonstrations in a bid to get the marches banned.[49] Nationalists saw the RUC, almost wholly Protestant, as backing the loyalists and allowing the attacks to occur.[52] On 5 October 1968, a civil rights march in Derry was banned by the NI Government.[53] When civil rights activists defied the ban, RUC officers surrounded the marchers and beat them indiscriminately and without provocation.[53] Over 100 people were injured, including a number of MPs.[53] The incident was observed by television news crews, but dramatic footage filmed by RTÉ and shown around the world [54] caused outrage in the Catholic and nationalist community, sparking two days of rioting in Derry between nationalists and the RUC.[53]
A few days later, a student civil rights group – People's Democracy – was formed in Belfast.[49] In late November, O'Neill promised the civil rights movement some concessions, but they were seen as inadequate. On 1 January 1969, People's Democracy began a four-day march from Belfast to Derry, which was repeatedly harassed and attacked by loyalists. At Burntollet it was attacked by about 200 loyalists and off-duty police officers armed with iron bars, bricks and bottles in a pre-planned ambush. When the march reached Derry it was again attacked. The marchers claimed that police did nothing to protect them and that some officers helped the attackers.[55] That night, RUC officers went on a rampage in the Bogside area of Derry, attacking Catholic homes, attacking and threatening residents, and hurling sectarian abuse.[55] Residents then sealed-off the Bogside with barricades to keep the police out, creating "Free Derry".
In March and April 1969, UVF and UPV members bombed water and electricity installations in Northern Ireland, blaming them on the dormant IRA and elements of the civil rights movement. Some of the attacks left much of Belfast without power and water.[56] The loyalists "intended to force a crisis which would so undermine confidence in O'Neill's ability to maintain law and order that he would be obliged to resign".[57] There were six bombings between 30 March and 26 April.[56][58] All were widely blamed on the IRA, and British soldiers were sent to guard installations.[56] Unionist support for O'Neill waned, and on 28 April he resigned as Prime Minister.[56]
August 1969 riots and aftermath[edit]
Main article: 1969 Northern Ireland riots
On 19 April there were clashes between NICRA marchers, the RUC and loyalists in the Bogside. RUC officers entered the house of Samuel Devenny (42), an uninvolved Catholic civilian, and ferociously beat him along with two of his teenage daughters and a family friend.[56] One of the daughters was beaten unconscious as she lay on the sofa recovering from surgery.[59] Devenny suffered a heart attack and died on 17 July from his injuries. On 13 July, RUC officers beat another uninvolved Catholic bystander, Francis McCloskey (67), during clashes in Dungiven. He died of his injuries the next day.[56]
On 12 August, the loyalist Apprentice Boys were allowed to march along the edge of the Bogside. Taunts and missiles were exchanged between the loyalists and nationalist residents. After being bombarded with stones and petrol bombs from nationalists, the RUC, backed by loyalists, tried to storm the Bogside. The RUC used CS gas, armoured vehicles and water cannons, but were kept at bay by hundreds of nationalists.[60] The continuous fighting, which became known as the Battle of the Bogside, would last for two days.
In response to events in Derry, nationalists held protests at RUC bases in Belfast and elsewhere. Some of these led to clashes with the RUC and attacks on RUC bases. In Belfast, loyalists responded by invading nationalist districts, burning houses and businesses. There were gun battles between nationalists and the RUC, and between nationalists and loyalists. A group of about 30 IRA members was involved in the fighting in west Belfast. The RUC deployed Shorland armoured cars mounted with heavy Browning machine guns. The Shorlands twice opened fire on a block of flats in a nationalist district, killing a nine-year-old boy. RUC officers opened fire on rioters in Armagh, Dungannon and Coalisland.
During the riots, on 13 August, Taoiseach Jack Lynch made a television address. He condemned the RUC and said that the Irish Government "can no longer stand by and see innocent people injured and perhaps worse". He called for a UN peacekeeping force to be deployed and said that Irish Army field hospitals were being set up at the border near Derry. Lynch added that Irish re-unification would be the only permanent solution. Some interpreted the speech as a threat of military intervention.[61] After the riots, Lynch ordered the Irish Army to plan for a possible humanitarian intervention in Northern Ireland. The plan, Exercise Armageddon, was rejected and remained classified for over thirty years.
On 14–15 August, British troops were deployed in Derry and Belfast to restore order,[62] but did not try to enter the Bogside. This brought the riots to an end. Eight people had been shot dead, more than 750 had been injured (including 133 who suffered gunshot wounds) and more than 400 homes and businesses had been destroyed (83% of them owned by Catholics). More than 1,800 families fled or were forced out of their homes, including 1,505 Catholic families and 315 Protestant families. The Irish Army set up refugee camps in the Republic. Nationalists initially welcomed the British Army, as they did not trust the RUC. However, relations soured due to the Army's heavy-handedness.[63]
After the riots, the 'Hunt Committee' was set up to examine the RUC. It published its report on 12 October, recommending that the RUC become an unarmed force and the B Specials be disbanded. That night, loyalists took to the streets of Belfast in protest at the report. During violence in the Shankill, UVF members shot dead RUC officer Victor Arbuckle. He was the first RUC officer to be killed during the Troubles.[64] In October and December 1969, the UVF carried out a number of bombings in the Republic of Ireland.
1970s[edit]

Violence peaks and Stormont collapses[edit]
File:Ulster.ogv

1970 newsreel about the background of the conflict


Loyalist banner and graffiti on a building in a side street off the Shankill Road, Belfast, 1970
The period from 1970 through 1972 saw an explosion of political violence in Northern Ireland, peaking in 1972, when nearly 500 people, just over half of them civilians, lost their lives. The year 1972 saw the greatest loss of life throughout the entire conflict.[65]
In Derry by the end of 1971, 29 barricades were in place to block access to what was known as Free Derry; 16 of them impassable even to the British Army's one-ton armoured vehicles.[66] Many of the nationalist/republican "no-go areas" were controlled by one of the two factions of the Irish Republican Army—the Provisional IRA and Official IRA.
There are several reasons why violence escalated in these years.
Unionists claim the main reason was the formation of the Provisional Irish Republican Army (Provisional IRA), and the Official Irish Republican Army (Official IRA), two groups formed when the IRA split into the 'Provisional' and 'Official' factions. While the older IRA had embraced non-violent civil agitation,[67] the new Provisional IRA was determined to wage "armed struggle" against British rule in Northern Ireland. The new IRA was willing to take on the role of "defenders of the Catholic community",[68] rather than seeking working-class unity across both communities which had become the aim of the "Officials".
Nationalists pointed to a number of events in these years to explain the upsurge in violence. One such incident was the Falls Curfew in July 1970, when 3,000 troops imposed a curfew on the nationalist Lower Falls area of Belfast, firing more than 1,500 rounds of ammunition in gun battles with the Official IRA and killing four people. Another was the 1971 introduction of internment without trial (out of over 350 initial detainees, none was a Protestant).[69] Moreover, due to poor intelligence,[70] very few of those interned were actually republican activists, but some went on to become republicans as a result of their experience.[citation needed] This resulted in numerous gun battles between the British army and the Provisional IRA and the Official IRA. Between 1971 and 1975, 1,981 people were detained; 1,874 were Catholic/republican, while 107 were Protestant/loyalist.[71] There were widespread allegations of abuse and even torture of detainees,[72][73] and the "five techniques" used by the police and army for interrogation were ruled to be illegal following a British government inquiry.[74] Nationalists also point to the fatal shootings of 14 unarmed nationalist civil rights demonstrators by the British Army in Derry on 30 January 1972, on what became known as Bloody Sunday'.

I rest my case...

You really are totally clueless, I could copy and paste things that back up my views as well wee man..

But I prefer actual personal knowledge, how often are you in Ulster, how often are you in the ROI??

As I have already stated I lay wreaths for my departed in Dublin as I do those who met their fate in Monaghan and South Armagh by the border every year and consider Ireland my home. I moved to Inwood in Manhattan when I was 15 you vitriol and bile is all you have offered this thread. I have given actual facts and statistics you have contributed absolutely nothing to this thread but nonsense and lies backed up by no facts whatsoever.

You have offered absolutely no facts to this debate only bile and vitriol and all the Brits have to offer because they really have nothing else to fall back upon the reason for the troubles in the six counties is blatantly evident to anyone with half a brain the bitterness and hatred from the Loyalists is all they have ever had to fall back upon I have offered facts and evidence even the British Broadcasting Corporation concede that Britain doesn't have a leg to stand upon legally the occupation of Ireland is illegal and the British Crown have conceded that fact it was only the threat of bloodshed, violence and tyranny that led to the illegal partition of Ireland.

Protestants live peacefully in the Republic Of Ireland and always have one of the most famous Republicans was Yeats the poet and sectarianism is a myth the Brits have used to disguise the bitterness and hatred of a Unionist minority who have no claim at all to the Irish land they stole.

The Pogues said it best http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2lFGeT-kBI

English politicians, singers and protesters also agree E;vis Costello said it all 'Oliver's Army' are here to stay.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yhkwj85VzcE

Margaret Thatcher was an old bag. [/quote]

Okay abe I respect you because at least you make an effort to actually bring us facts, I think I have been a little harsh on you okay we clash sometimes but I think you are a decent fella despite our conflicting opinions sometimes.

You were born where?

You lay wreaths in memory of terrorists then?


As has been said a few times on this thread, it's you who has posted shite


I have lived it all my life and will defend my people with my life and will never be defeated by my enemy.....


The largest peacetime movement of any population was the Protestants of the ROI in 1921, and even today orange halls in rural border counties are being burnt out and attacked


I want peace and I would love to see Roman catholics and Protestants live in peace unlike clueless idiots like Sean south!

Thank you.....I am better now. I am a bit confused as to how some folks are allowed to use the f word and the like and not get suspended though?

Just sayin

Nonsense, even British historians don't buy into this nonsense. It was the British that stole Irish land and illegally occupied Ireland, even the British parliament have accepted that.

They have even issued an apology for their actions in Northern Ireland you came onto this thread braying "IRA (I ran away)" and I simply put the cowardly attacks on the Catholic community into context. The truth hurts I apologise for that but you have to suck it up buddy. And now you try and paint yourself as a peacemaker?

You have contributed nothing of interest to this thread but bile and vitriolic hate.

You also know absolutely nothing about organized crime. This is a thread about Irish organized crime what is the point of your presense here?

"I will defend my people with my life" yadda yadda yadda so what? what do you want? A pat on the back? Or perhaps you want to pretend that the IRA were not considered the most powerful paramilitary force in Europe, it was your pitiful orange tango men .

Again, facts are facts you and unfortunately you have none British gangsters kissed Irish butt and worked with them to make money they have no credibility and you come on a gangster forum braying about how tough Brits are.

Get 'the feck' outta here

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/garda%C3%AD-in-dublin-seize-drugs-and-cash-worth-almost-3-million-1.1717995

Gardaí in Dublin seize drugs and cash worth almost €3 million
Raids at houses in Raheny and Coolock uncover thousands in dollars, sterling and Euro.

Gardaí believe drugs and cash with a combined value of almost €3 million seized in recent days were owned by two of Dublin’s biggest crime gangs.
In one of the seizures dollars, sterling and Euro valued at around €250,000 was found during separate raids at houses in Raheny and Coolock on the north side of the city.
A quantity of anabolic steroids was found during that operation and gardai investigating the seizure believe at least some of the money came from the illicit distribution of those drugs and other performance enhancing substances.
In a separate and unrelated seizure , also in the Coolock suburb, cannabis valued at an estimated €2.4million was recovered after a criminal transporting some of the consignment crashed his car when being pursued as undercover gardai moved in.
That operation took place on Friday afternoon when gardai who had placed a number of properties and suspected gang members under surveillance decided to carry out a surprise raid as a large consignment of drugs was being broken up for sale.
Of the estimated €2.4 million haul of cannabis resin and herb that was being divided, a consignment valued at around €400,000 was placed into a car to be driven away from a property in Coolock.
Gardaí pursued the vehicle as it was being driven by one of the targets of the operation. The man crashed the car but got out and escaped on foot before gardai could apprehend him.
However, a search of the vehicle revealed it was packed with the drugs.
The remainder of the haul, valued at around €2 million, was then found during a search of the property that had been under surveillance by members of Coolock’s drug unit.
A man in his 40s was arrested there and detained under Section 2 of the Criminal Justice (Drug Trafficking) Act.
The arrested man was not the target of the operation and gardai believe he was working for a Dublin man who has become one of the biggest drug dealers in the State over the past decade.
He is suspected of having paid for and organised the murder of for Real IRA leader in Dublin Alan Ryan, who was shot dead in Donaghmede, north Dublin, 18 months. He was leading efforts by the paramilitaries to extort cash from major crime syndicates.
In the other operation against organised crime in the city, the large volume of cash and steroid were seized at addresses in both Coolock and Raheny on Thursday and Friday. There were no arrests.
That find is being linked to the remnants of the Finglas-based drugs gang once led by Martin ‘Marlo’ Hyland before he was shot dead in December 2006. It was then taken over by Eamon Dunne, who was shot dead in April 2010.

Okay abe I respect you because at least you make an effort to actually bring us facts, I think I have been a little harsh on you okay we clash sometimes but I think you are a decent fella despite our conflicting opinions sometimes. [/quote]

You make the mistaken identity of Republicans now 2014 to Republicans of old.

Alan Ryan would not have got a Republican funeral in the old days i don't think he would have got a send off he did IF THE BOYS UP THE NORTH NEW WHAT THEY KNOW NOW about Ryan's structured or hierarchical organization up to their eyes in gangland shit,

That had jack shit to do with Republicans on the ground, near all members of the Ryan gang was put out of organization with in mts of Ryan been killed for extortion, common activity of the group on till criminal gangs turn their guns on Republicans.

You make the mistaken identity of Republicans now 2014 to Republicans of old.

Alan Ryan would not have got a Republican funeral in the old days i don't think he would have got a send off he did IF THE BOYS UP THE NORTH NEW WHAT THEY KNOW NOW about Ryan's structured or hierarchical organization up to their eyes in gangland shit,

That had jack shit to do with Republicans on the ground, near all members of the Ryan gang was put out of organization with in mts of Ryan been killed for extortion, common activity of the group on till criminal gangs turn their guns on Republicans.
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Okay I tried abe but again you are misrepresenting what I have posted and making staw man arguments. I have made clear distinctions between the calibre of the IRA now in comparison to the height of the troubles.

You keep calling me out in a deliberate attempt to antagonise me it is getting tired now keep glorifying your favorite drug dealers and bums. As if they aren't infiltrated and full of rats

The UCA rule, hooray! May the drug dealers and bums rule the world! abe, a fanboy for a bunch of no marks and dime a dozen bums (yawn).

I tried to be friendly but the constant abuse and antagonism is wearing thin you post articles from pro-Brit media sources constantly that mean absolutely nothing in the greater scheme of things.

Okay I tried abe but again you are misrepresenting what I have posted and making staw man arguments. I have made clear distinctions between the calibre of the IRA now in comparison to the height of the troubles.

You keep calling me out in a deliberate attempt to antagonise me it is getting tired now keep glorifying your favorite drug dealers and bums. As if they aren't infiltrated and full of rats

The UCA rule, hooray! May the drug dealers and bums rule the world! abe, a fanboy for a bunch of no marks and dime a dozen bums (yawn).

I tried to be friendly but the constant abuse and antagonism is wearing thin you post articles from pro-Brit media sources constantly that mean absolutely nothing in the greater scheme of things. [/quote]

In particular your mistaken identity of the Alan Ryan gang who style themselves as Republican, old Republican's of the 1920's 70's would have put the lot up again a wall in st anne's park dublin.

http://www.herald.ie/news/2-hurt-in-suspected-pipe-bomb-explosion-30079027.html

2 hurt in suspected pipe bomb explosion.

BY ALAN O'KEEFFE – 10 MARCH 2014 03:30 PM

GARDAI are investigating the cause of an explosion in Coolock over the weekend.

Two men in their 20s were rushed to Beaumont Hospital after the blast in the back garden of a house, at Moate View Avenue, Coolock.

Their injuries are believed to be serious but not life threatening.

It is understood that a pipe bomb may have been the source of the explosion.

A garda spokesman said that the incident was still being examined yesterday.

http://www.herald.ie/news/gilligan-knows-gun-thugs-but-remains-silent-30079002.html

Gilligan 'knows gun thugs' but remains silent.

BY KEN FOY CRIME CORRESPONDENT – 10 MARCH 2014 03:30 PM

GARDAI have still not identified the thugs who attempted to murder former crime boss John Gilligan.

The 61-year-old gangster is expected to be released from Connolly Hospital in Blanchardstown this week.

He has had three minor surgical procedures since he underwent trauma surgery on arrival at Connolly on Saturday, March 1 and is under 24-hour armed garda protection in the hospital.

However, detectives are no closer to honing in on the gunman who attacked him at his brother's west Dublin home.

A senior source said: "Despite being very polite about it, he has failed to co-operate with gardai about the incident which does not make the job of the investigation team any easier.

"There is a feeling that he knows himself who did it but he has failed to give gardai any information and has stated that he won't."

Gardai have been on alert because a close pal of Gilligan's known as 'The Fixer' who is based in Lucan has the "firepower" to avenge the botched hit – the second on Gilligan in less than three months.

TRAUMATISED

'The Fixer' has many contacts in the gangland and dissident republican world and has the capability to organise the murder of the thugs who tried to take Gilligan out, sources believe.

Last week, the Herald revealed that Gilligan's young granddaughter has been left "extremely traumatised" after witnessing the gunmen storming into his brother's home in the latest murder attempt.

Sources have revealed that the eight-year-old girl watched in horror as she sat in a car with her mother Tracey Gilligan – the mobster's only daughter – as the masked gunmen stormed the house at Greenfort Crescent in Clondalkin and shot Gilligan four times.

It has emerged that Tracey had dropped Gilligan at his brother Thomas's house just 30 minutes earlier after attending a family christening in a nearby pub.

She was waiting for the criminal to come back out of the property – possibly to be driven to Jessbrook.

But you are NOT Irish, live with it wee man


FGAU

Okay I tried abe but again you are misrepresenting what I have posted and making staw man arguments. I have made clear distinctions between the calibre of the IRA now in comparison to the height of the troubles.

You keep calling me out in a deliberate attempt to antagonise me it is getting tired now keep glorifying your favorite drug dealers and bums. As if they aren't infiltrated and full of rats

The UCA rule, hooray! May the drug dealers and bums rule the world! abe, a fanboy for a bunch of no marks and dime a dozen bums (yawn).

I tried to be friendly but the constant abuse and antagonism is wearing thin you post articles from pro-Brit media sources constantly that mean absolutely nothing in the greater scheme of things.



I'm not even going to dignify that venomous comment with a response. I can't be bothered to rise to the bait. You keep referencing a known pro-Brit reporter who was sued for making up lies about a frail old nun. That says it all about your credibility abe. You have none and have been exposed.

I tried to be civil but the tiresome abuse continues. You appear to be obsessed with calling my name out and have yet to explain your bizarre adoration for dime a dozen drug gangs.

Alan Ryan was no angel but he was certainly no killer. He took a brave stance against cowardly drug dealers destroying the lives of young kids in north Dublin and he actually died for what he believed in, yet you choose to glorify bums who sell dime bags on street corners.

I rest my case...

Five Felonies and 'British' tried to undermine the strength of the IRA yet here we have an SAS soldier (according to FF the best special forces in the world). And yet this soldier admits "The IRA controlled this area and we couldn't move around here".

Bobby Sands ws right "They have nothing in their whole imperial arsenal that can break the spirit of an Irishman who doesn't want to be broken". The SAS man is petrified unlike we were of the Brits. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMGYdWLiT_4