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Re: 1998 Dateline interview with William 'BJ' Jahoda [Re: HuronSocialAthletic] #764721
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Infelice was part of a deeper crew, it took longer to climb the ranks & there were way more heavies in his crew. Just because Lumbo was made boss before Rocky doesn't mean much, you follow the rank of your crew. Cicero was an absurdly deep crew & Rocky had to wait in line.

Hell, Lumbo & the Mooch are on tape talking about avoiding on stepping on Ferriola's toes & steering clear of his territory.

Also, at the end, Rocky was arguably #1 in the entire org, Lumbo never was close to that.

Re: 1998 Dateline interview with William 'BJ' Jahoda [Re: FriedRavioliFarts] #764806
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Originally Posted By: FriedRavioliFarts


ChiTown,

Do you what the status of Zitello is these days?


Zitello lives in Florida now. I believe he operates a restaurant or two down there and associates with other Florida Outfit guys like Giorango. I'm sure the guy is still booking too.

Here is a photo of Zitello

Re: 1998 Dateline interview with William 'BJ' Jahoda [Re: HuronSocialAthletic] #764807
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Originally Posted By: HuronSocialAthletic
Infelice was part of a deeper crew, it took longer to climb the ranks & there were way more heavies in his crew. Just because Lumbo was made boss before Rocky doesn't mean much, you follow the rank of your crew. Cicero was an absurdly deep crew & Rocky had to wait in line.

Hell, Lumbo & the Mooch are on tape talking about avoiding on stepping on Ferriola's toes & steering clear of his territory.

Also, at the end, Rocky was arguably #1 in the entire org, Lumbo never was close to that.


Lumbo was probably always higher up (and far wealthier) than Infelise. Remember that Lombardo was in charge of the Outfit's skim in Vegas and most assumed he took control of the Outfit when he went back on the street in the early 90s. Infelice was never even close to that level. He was always a street hood who started in drugs and really made his name working for Turk Torello alongside Pete DiPietto and Butch Petrocelli.

Re: 1998 Dateline interview with William 'BJ' Jahoda [Re: HuronSocialAthletic] #764828
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How close was Zitello to being made? Just a high level associate?

Re: 1998 Dateline interview with William 'BJ' Jahoda [Re: HuronSocialAthletic] #764838
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Zitello is still active from what I would guess...he may still be in the Bloomingdale area, I'm not really sure.

Re: 1998 Dateline interview with William 'BJ' Jaho [Re: HuronSocialAthletic] #765199
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You're honestly way off with your assessment of Joe Lombardo. He's on tape relaying messages for his bosses (Carlisi & Ferriola) & the top crew (Cicero). That's the crew Rocky took over. The #1 crew.

Yes he was given the larger rackets in Vegas as he had a very successful decade during the 70s & was well liked (at that time) by the bosses. Vegas was looked at as a very risky endeavour with good upside, but potentially disastrous. Obviously the latter applied in Lombardo's case. After Spilotro botched it, Lumbo & his crew were looked down upon by the brass & he had reason to be afraid for his life (not that he was) when he got out of the can. If it were the 50s he would've been demoted or possibly even killed. Eboli was also skimming from his rackets & Lumbo was responsible for him.

Grand Avenue was known for two things: burglary & proximity to Rush Street/city hall/etc. Lombardo likely had many more friends in high places than Infelice but when it came to Outfit hierarchy in the late 80s/early 90s, Rocky was above him. He took over the top crew, that's really all that needs to be said.

And what's this about Rocky being a street Hood, etc. They're all street hoods. Lombardo was a career thief who was doing jewelry runs & hits while he was crew boss. Just because he had charisma & was an outlandish character doesn't make him any less of a Hood.

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