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Re: Current State of the Patriarcas
[Re: Ville]
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02/02/14 08:26 PM
02/02/14 08:26 PM
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Hey Ville I really appreciate your feedback. Its great to talk to you Boston guys, I spent some time in Beantown myself. I wonder if any of the old timers from the North End will ever actually catch another case. I think at this point they are too crafty, and Boston has much larger problems than the goodfellas from the North End. I will concede that Limone is a well respected guy and his word carries a lot of weight, I just think there are guys who carry more weight than him such as some of the guys we already mentioned.
A side note my friend's aunt hates the Cheeseman. Her and her colleagues worked really hard to get him released due to his gross obesity and then he goes and gets indicted. She thinks him and his brother are swimming in the shallow end of the gene pool. She said he always pays in cash up front so she will not turn him down, but he is still a fat stupid asshole.
You say share my life, and I think share my tequila. And then I think.... no.-Principal Lewis
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Re: Current State of the Patriarcas
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02/04/14 11:13 AM
02/04/14 11:13 AM
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While I agree that since the death of Raymond Patriarca Sr. things have changed dramatically in New England, when he was in charge, they had a solid criminal organization that wielded influence in several states. Providence, RI was the longtime power base for New England and the Boston faction always seemed to have turmoil. Since the death of Ray Sr., the family had struggled until Luigi "Baby Shacks" Manocchio took over and brought them back to respectability. Since the last bust that sent quite a few key players to prison, things are a little murky to say the least. There are some very capable old timers (who probably don't want the job/heat) and the younger generation...well, let's just say that the younger generation of Mafioso all around the country have no respect for the traditions and rules that kept LCN going for so long.
Even in their "heyday", New England was considered a 2nd tier Mafia Family behind the 5 in NY, Chicago, Detroit, Philadelphia and Kansas City. However, you can't discount the fact that Ray Sr. had a seat on the commission as he was well liked by the NY bosses. New England, specifically Boston, is unique in the sense that the city was a haven for Irish immigrants and Irish gangs/crews always carried a lot of weight in Boston, probably more so than any other city with a traditional LCN family.
To say that Boston is more pitiful than New Jersey is overstating your case quite a bit. Patriarca ruled New England with an iron fist and you had to get permission to operate in his territory which covered Massachusetts, parts of Connecticut, Rhode Island, Maine and parts of New Hampshire. In New Jersey, they never even had total control of their own state. All 5 NY families had a piece of NJ, Philly had crews operating in NJ and a few old timers from the now defunct Bufalino Crime Family had some operations going on in New Jersey. If anything, New Jersey danced to the tune of the Gambino/Genovese Families. As Carmine Lupertazzi from the Sopranos used to say, "Jersey was nothing more than a glorified crew." Trying to compare NJ to New England is apples and oranges.
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Re: Current State of the Patriarcas
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02/05/14 12:07 AM
02/05/14 12:07 AM
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"Even in their "heyday", New England was considered a 2nd tier Mafia Family behind the 5 in NY, Chicago, Detroit, Philadelphia and Kansas City. However, you can't discount the fact that Ray Sr. had a seat on the commission as he was well liked by the NY bosses. New England, specifically Boston, is unique in the sense that the city was a haven for Irish immigrants and Irish gangs/crews always carried a lot of weight in Boston, probably more so than any other city with a traditional LCN family. "
What other cities had strong lcn competition/allies from other ethnic groups (pre-1990 or so)? Here's what I can think of:
New York City - Irish, jews, smaller groups (Russians, Albanians, etc)
Boston - irish
Chicago - Irish
Cleveland - irish, jews
Detroit - jews
St. Louis - irish, 'syrians'
I assume there were irish and jewish gangs in Philadelphia, but were they as strong as New York? How about Kansas City?
Also, are black gangs really considered as possible rivals for LCN? I know that they have been all over the US in varying levels of size and complexity and they have had contact with LCN (especially with respect to policy and drugs), but I've always thought of black OC as being something largely "self-contained" within the black community. Same for old time Chinese OC (gambling dens, etc.)
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Re: Current State of the Patriarcas
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02/05/14 02:12 AM
02/05/14 02:12 AM
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For one your wrong about envelopes. Your wrong about no one since Junior and yea some of the younger fellas aren't the smartest, but there's plenty that know what they're doing my friend. Louie played it very safe, but he gave them a reach and what's going on up here in Boston with the old timers and younger guys, you obviously don't have a clue. Not bashing ya buddy, but your definitely wrong.
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Re: Current State of the Patriarcas
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02/05/14 03:39 PM
02/05/14 03:39 PM
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I never implied that the Irish gangs in and around Boston were "stronger," but they certainly had their territories and I believe that Patriarca was diplomatic about it and let them get their piece of the pie as well...more so than any other Boss in any other city would have. LCN as an organization was far more powerful, wide reaching and membership was stronger nationwide, but Boston as a city truly isn't that big, as the surrounding suburbs make up greater Boston. Plus, Patriarca spent most of his time in Providence and at one time, it had more Italians "per capita" than any other city. Patriarca also let Jerry Angiulo run the Boston faction and as long as he was getting his weekly cut, he never barked. IMO, every city's organized crime groups should work in harmony, there is more than enough to go around. The Italians and Jews have worked together since the beginning, I don't see why the Russians, Albanians, Irish and Chinese can't all work with each other.
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Re: Current State of the Patriarcas
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02/05/14 03:48 PM
02/05/14 03:48 PM
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IF THERE WAS STILL A FAMILY GUYS WOULD GET CLIPPED FOR NOT SENDING CASH. LOUIE HAD A SMALL CREW NEAR HIM DIDNT SHAKE ALOT OF HANDS IF YOU CATCH MY DRIFT. THERE IS NO MORE GETTING MADE OVER HERE NOBODY IN RHODE ISLAND DID NOT SINCE JUNIOR ITS JUST BEEN A MEMORY ITS OVER AND THESE GUYS THAT ARE TRYING TO HANG ON ARE A JOKE AND A BUNCH OF RETARDS. SINCERELY, MANTON AVENUE Hello Everybody Im new to the board but not to the street. While what you say may (or may not)be true there is still L.C.N. in Providence . I used to go vist my pal Sal who is cousins with Frank (not bobo ,call him that to his face and see what happens)at Max. in the A.C.I. and I can assure you that there are still some players out there. The guy on this board who has an aunt in Boston or whatever is very close to the mark ,but the truth is some of these wiseguys are not even on the radar screen if you get my drift. Not tryin to start a riff here with anyone just my 2 cents worth from what I know here locally. Ciao, FedoraFrank
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Re: Current State of the Patriarcas
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02/05/14 04:17 PM
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I'm a big fan of Providence, do my grocery shopping once a month at Constantino's and grab a pie from Sicilia's (It still aggravates me that Casserta's doesn't have sausage and meatball pizzas). I agree that there may be a few players, but to say they are "completely" under the radar is hard to believe, especially with Bobby DeLuca working with the FBI. If there was anybody on the verge of being made or viewed as important up and comers, he would have divulged that info to the Feds...Now, maybe the Feds know and haven't made it public, but with DeLuca and others who are cooperating, the FBI has had its finger on the pulse for some time regarding who's who in organized crime. They have been handing indictments down the last 10 years and have locked up some of the most important players in Rhode Island and Boston. I'm sure most of those guys had younger associates, but DeLuca would have given them up right away. Time will tell what the future holds for LCN in New England, but at this moment in 2014, it's the weakest they have ever been.
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Re: Current State of the Patriarcas
[Re: Gingello101182]
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02/05/14 05:32 PM
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Hey JBC.how you doin? Nice to meet ya. Your right about DeLuca, but not for nuttin it ain't over till the fat lady sings and she and them ain't done yet.
However they are no way as strong as they used to be . If you go to Gates of Heaven Cemetery in East Providence and if you know where Raymonds vault is , you would be surprized to see cigar bands stuck on the wrought iron fence of his vault,I've seen em there more than once now what does that mean, Im sure your smart enough to know what I'm sayin here, capire? On another note Venda's Ravioli is simply the best and I know David and Dianne personally as we go to the same church and there Sopressata's and the different kinds they carry are awesome . I agree with you about Casserta's but their winpy skimpy are good and you know what they say " if your not eatin Cassertas ,your not eatin pizza'. Speakin of Spruce St. have you ever noticed the "Tuscuanny Club " at the beginning of the street with the big " Members Only" sign in the window ? At the other end of the street right across from Cassertas there used to be a wiseguys bar over there it's closed now but on my fathers soul way back in the late 70's early 80's one day I was going to get a pie at Cassertas and who was standing right there on the corner, none other than the teflon don Mr. Gotti himself and I walked right past him and he gave me a look ,I almost S**t my pants so ,I figured what the f#@k ,I said to him "excuse me sir ,but you look an awefull lot like John Gotti, are you John Gotti " and he replied "yea what about it " I said "oh nothing sir its an honor to meet you and I shook his hand and he siad to me ,"your alright kid" and then he looked at the other guy that was standing with him and smiles and I got the f#@k outta there. I figured he must have been there on business or what ever ,honest in God that is a true story !
Again nice to meet you , Fedora Frank
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