Sorry...on my phone...technical difficulties..lol

Cheech, I realize you are an uneducated, ignorant fanboy so I will try to speak as clearly as I can. What I meant by taking pictures was that I know many of these people and I plan on having drinks with them after the services and as this is a forum dedicated to the mafia there are people who are interested in seeing pictures of mob guys. Furthermore I made a general statement about the buffalo mob and strip clubs. I gave no specifics. Anyone who is able to read could do research and read about the alleged connections. Clearly hooked on phonics did not work for you.

Unlike you I do not give a crap about these guys and what an ignorant idiot like you thinks. People talk shit about you on all the other forums. Your neighborhood tough guy routine may impress or even intimidate some people but I see through you, you fucking phony. Why are you defending these guys anyway, you think they would stand up for you? They would not piss on you if you were on fire. Why don't you go back to trolling the NYC and Connecticut threads?

What have you ever contributed to this forum other than a few one word responses and flaming remarks? My guess is you do this because in real life you are a scrawny pathetic little man, who would get his ass kicked if he said the things you say online in real life. I apologize to SC as this post probably violates the rules but Cheech flamed me first. My suggestion to you Cheech... suicide. People on the board will feel bad for you and you will be remembered as the wannabe tough guy who whacked himself. Then you will have a hit under your belt and you can finally be like your heroes. So have a good day and please contract AIDS and die thank you.

Well said

You're a hotel maid?

Anyway, as far as anger, you should take anger mgmt classes. It's done wonders for me. I used to be mean and snap at everyone all the time.

just get high gingello, and you'll find that things that people say on the internet don't really bother you that much lol.

No I manage a few hotels, my housekeepers refused to clean up the feces because they said they were gonna throw up.

Carmela, I think you are right, my wife says the same thing.

I thought I would give a little update about the Buffalo Family. Frank "butchie" Bifulco is moving to Florida where he is retiring.

Jimmy Sicurella is in poor health and not active.

The Todaros are not active.

Lenny Falzone is getting up there in age, but supposedly he has some shy and bookmaking business going on.

Everyone talks about Bobby Panaro but he was always more Vegas based after he moved out there in the 1990s I believe.

They have associates that are active (Lenny Mordino in 2006, arrested for coke), and supposedly they still kick up but who knows to who. I could speculate but I do not know. If anyone has anything to add it would be appreciated.

Some of the Utica guys are still plying their trade (boosting stuff) but I think they do their own thing now. My point is Buffalo has several crews that are still operating but I do not think they operate cohesively anymore.

How is what u said about Lenny Falzone not snitching?

I'm done in these cow tipping threads. Best thing I ever heard though was Utica wanted to take it to Brooklyn. Hahahahahah In what? hockey? Hahahahahah. The Columbos had more shooters in Brooklyn than the whole town of Utica hahahahahah

So funny. Keep it up boys. It's worth it. I just won't post in these threads no more. The delusion is too high

How sad! you won't post here? I better call the suicide hotline, how will I go on without having to read your ignorant posts. You are the delusional one defending people who do not give a fuck about you. Us grownups will continue to talk.

Everyone knows Falzone is involved in these things, but I realize you failed hooked on phonics so I cannot ask you to read anything. Did I give specifics about anything? As I said before please contract AIDS and die. If you need me to repeat this please see my previous post. Go troll somewhere else.

Clearly you have a personal problem with me as other posters have posted similar posts. At the end of the day you are the pussy who talks shit on the Internet.

I suggest you and your boy friend should come out of the closet go to Provincetown and get married. You clearly have anger issues that are most likely caused by your closeted homosexuality. You know you are gay and you feel like you have to lash out at people to prove your manhood. You are too much of a pussy to talk shit to people in real life so you come here troll and make little stupid comments.

If the Colombos had such a superior army, why does what used to be the Falange crew still run Utica?
Why is Angelo Grillo worm food?
Why is that fat fuck Teeter Noel in Mt Sinai cemetery?
Why are there still bits and pieces of Conolly all over south Utica from the explosion?
Why did Tom Bretti get his eyes blown out when he opened his front door?
Hummm?
I could go on.....
Numbers mean nothing my friend, balls mean everything

Good stuff and spot on Gingello
Turning stone and the businesses that sprung up around it have given Utica/Syracuse a life in addition to shy and boosting.

Bobby Panaro is a good earner and has the ear of at least two casino owners, and is on the short list to replace Falzone, there is also talk about Russ but as much as i love the kid, I would hate to see that happen, it would be like painting a Bullseye on his back, his name is just too high on the feds rap sheet

Hamilton and the falls have benefited from casino gambling as well. It has created cottage industries in Shy, prostitution and pay to play contracts Forget this ‛Ndrangheta nonsense, In Ontario the Buffalo family and they operate on separate galaxies. The so called ‛Ndrangheta clans are mainly into smuggling bootleg cigarets and liqueur, meth and pot via their biker gang allies, and burglary.

Bobby Panaro is still active in Las Vegas, I don't think he will ever leave the state unless they kick him out of it. He is on the short list to replace Falzone, but Panaro loves Vegas too much, that in my opinion, I don't think he will leave the state for a top spot in Buffalo.

So who takes over?
Russ Carcone?
Jimmy Terzini's kid?
Todaro's Grandson?
Pugliese?
Mikey V from Rochester?
Julian?
Torio? (God help us all)
The Capos from Erie Blvd or Wolf Street in Cuse? (who will remain nameless in an open thread)

Should be interesting

Gingello,

How about some updates on Rochester?

I know Rene just passed away...

Do the younger Gingellos have any pull in anything, there sure are a lot of them...

What about Chirico and Marotta..

Did Frank or Stanley Valenti have any kids/grand kids that got into LCN?

Also, who was actually made in the crew?

Thanks so much!

Gin : one for old gbb

Indeed Serp.

Hey olddirtyfishkilla good to hear from you again. Many of the Gingellos have jobs in the sanitation department and afew other municipal jobs. Tony G Sr. and his son both are still doing their thing. The rest of the Gingellos do not play gangster unlike some of the younger Piccarettos...

None of the Valenti kids have had any involvement with LCN.

Marotta is not active. He and his wife actually live near my parents and Tommy watches sports with my dad (he has the direct TV sports package and a 60 inch screen) lol.

As for Chirico he is still teaching karate and lets just say getting some extra practice on some of the deadbeat gamblers that owe Sonny C and Frank F.

This leads me to who was made and who is not. I believe Anthony Gingello Sr. was made. I believe this because in the book The Hammer Conspiracy he was identified as a member. Also he was alleged to be a member in some gambling arrests he had in the early 1970s and late 1960s.

Anthony Chirico is tougher to prove. If you ask the FBI they would say no, if you asked anyone around the life they would say he was. For arguments sake I will say he was not made but I have suspicions that he was made. I recently got into a disagreement with Pogo on the other forum about who was made and who was not. This might be easier if you ask which guys you have questions about.

Rene had been seen as the top guy since Red died but he was a figurehead, which makes sense since he had been locked up from the early 1980s until 2007.

Gingello...when I say Mikey V (Not the old man, Mike Jr) Do you know who am am referring to?

I do now. I thought you were talking about Sr. Now that you said it was Jr. that would make more sense. The Buffalo crew in Rochester is definitely a shadowy bunch.

Mikey is the best. This guy has an old school 1930s soul in the 2010s. He is everything his dad was and more.I will see him at a wedding in Rome(NY) in July.

Very cool. No one around Rochester knows who he and his dad are. I heard him and this kid Carmine got straightened out, shoot gotta be almost ten years ago now. I met them when I was a waiter/bartender at the Woodcliff Lodge. Great guys. Mike's dad is a great guy too though..

Going back to your earlier post in my personal opinion, Pugliese, would be a prime candidate to take over. I know he is a Hamilton guy but I heard he has stuff going on in the Falls too. He is well respected and relatively young. I agree about Russ, could not see him in the drivers seat. I think the family makes more money in the Falls than anywhere else. Just my two cents.

It has been about 10 years, that would be right.
Actually Pugliese would be my choice to follow Felzone as well, he is well situated and has brains and balls

Joey Paps would be a good choice for boss of Buffalo, but it is pretty much a crap shoot since Nicoletti died in 12' Torio would be perfect for the New York City families, as in he would bend over for those bosses. What about Frank BiFulco?

Hey Giacomo you are right this is all pure speculation on my part.

As for Butchie I mentioned earlier that he is moving to Florida. I posted earlier in the thread about why Butchie, in my opinion, will never be boss. Here it is.

"Anyway I wanted to relay a story about Butchie BiFulco. I was talking to a few friends of mine who are all Detectives in Buffalo. We began talking about the Buffalo mob and who was doing what. They confirmed what we already knew which was that Lenny Falzone is the boss, before he died Nicolletti was the UB and the Todaros acted in a counselor role. I asked them about Butchie and what role he would play when he gets out and they laughed. They said and I quote, "He better move to Australia or something, because no one respects him."

I asked them why this is and they reminded of me when Butchie was shot in a "car jacking." According to several informants, the police believe that Butchie went to shake down some crack dealers who he believe were dealing on "his turf." Butchie confronted some African American gentleman who were standing on a corner. Butchie barked about who he was, who he was with, and how these punks need to show him respect and pay up. They initially laughed at him and told him to get the f**k out of the neighborhood. when Butchie failed to leave and kept running his mouth, one of the dealers shot him.

Butchie reported that he was carjacked because obviously he did not want to tell the police I was just trying to shake down some crack dealers when they shot me for no reason lol. When I read some the articles written after Papa Joe's death, I had to laugh when they mentioned how Butchie could be the heir apparent and the future crime lord of Buffalo lol."

Torio always reminded me of the New England guys from the 80s. $1500 suites, $70,000 cars, $95 haircuts and they eat at the burger king drive through. And your right, he is the perfect YES man.
I used to sit there at the private room off the bar Freddie Gramaldi's in Syracuse watching Torio hold court and think to myself, this guy wants to be Gotti Sr in the worst way. All style, no class. The way he used to suck up North Tonowanda was embarrassing.
Gingello is right, Butchie has more balls then brains.When you go after street gangs you better follow the Rockford Model, hurt them first, talk second and when you go in, go in with numbers and go in hot..
If people wonder how " A few 70 year old guys" shook down the Underwood Street disciples and Kishwaukee street Vice lords, that is how they did it...but I digress

Arm

who is torio ??

I have to be careful here because as i have said before, I have a policy not to elaborate on people who are still alive who have not been adjudicated or made public figures by the media....but here goes
Torio is somewhat under the radar but ALLEGEDLY (disclaimer) with the recent deaths of some old timers, has risen to be the de-facto, if not "official" skipper in an area of Upstate NY.
He is flashy,flamboyant and can't speak without shouting, and as we used to say in my neighborhood "Thinks who the fuck he is" (But I guess the same has been said about me)
To his credit, he came up around the same time I did and he has been a a good earner for 30 years.
But as Giacomo and I both pointed out, he is a suck up and in awe of people who he would have to deal with (other bosses)
I just think as a Boss he would be a disaster.

what does the suck up to north tonawanda reference mean ?

Sorry for the Buffalo slang..lol
North Tonowanda is a Buffalo Suburb located about half way between Buffalo and the Falls.
We used it as as a term to describe the leadership of the family.
In other words we never said Frangiamore or Todoro...we just said "North Tonowanda"

understood. i sort of thought thats what you meant, but wasnt sure. i live in the falls, so i know about N.T.

Cool
I was amazed to find out that on a web site dealing with OC, there were people who didn't realize my screen name "The Arm" is a nickname for the Buffalo Family.
There are a lot of stories about the origin of that, the one I find most believable is that back in the days of the Mustache Petes, Palmeri used to refer in broken english to shaking someone down as "Putting the Arm on them"