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Re: Philly Mob Retrial News [Re: Giancarlo] #760166
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Any pictures of borgesi yet guys ??

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News [Re: Giancarlo] #760168
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Originally Posted By: Giancarlo
Originally Posted By: Nice_Guy
can't wait to read George A comments section, the wackos on there are prolly going crazy lol

Those maniacs on the Big Trial Blog are already going at it. Looks like over a dozen comments have already been deleted. lol

Here's a few they left up :

GAU can earase all my comments I d8nt care the word is on the street there is 3 hits out on Bor Gay zzzz

Either can THE FAMILIES OF THE PPL HE MUDERED. .......ESP. THE MAZZUCAS....... HOG TIE TIME ....

long live Jimmy the Gent!

Party at jesters club,BYOE bring your own envelope! !!

STEVE MAZZONE IS NOT SAYING ANYTHING NOW IS HE THAT HOMO!!!!!!!!!!

GEORGIE BOY ... GEORGIE BOY ... GEORGIE BOY ... GEORGIE BOY ... GEORGIE BOY ... GEORGIE BOY ... GEORGIE BOY ... GEORGIE BOY ... GEORGIE BOY ... GEORGIE BOY ... GEORGIE BOY ... GEORGIE BOY ... GEORGIE BOY ... GEORGIE BOY ... GEORGIE BOY ... GEORGIE BOY

lol theres just something about that site that attracts a bunch a psycho motherfuckers, im really surprised GA puts up with all that shit.


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Re: Philly Mob Retrial News [Re: Vito_Scaletta] #760170
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Originally Posted By: Vito_Scaletta
what I think about Ligambi

Count 1—RICO conspiracy in violation of 18 U.S.C.
§ 1962(d);

hung

Count 43—Conspiracy to conduct an illegal gambling business
in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 371;

hung

Count 44—Conducting an illegal electronic gambling device
business in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1955 and 2;

not guilty

Count 50—Obstruction of justice in violation of 18 U.S.C.
§ 1512(b)(2)(A);

not guilty

..................

Borgesi

Count 1—RICO conspiracy in violation of 18 U.S.C.
§ 1962(d);

not guilty


I was right on 2/5 smile


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Nice one that Gerogie boy is out and i'm hoping uncle Joe walks in the next few days.

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News [Re: Giancarlo] #760176
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Jan 24, 2014

Borgesi Acquitted, Jury Hangs On Key Charges Against Ligambi

By George Anastasia
For Bigtrial.net

In a stunning rebuke of the government's case, a jury today found mobster George Borgesi not guilty of racketeering conspiracy, acquitted mob boss Joe Ligambi of a witness tampering charge and hung on three other counts against Ligambi.

The panel of 11 women and one man had voted 10-2 to acquit Ligambi of a conspiracy charge and two gambling charges he faced.

Ligambi's lawyer, Edwin Jacobs Jr., said he would file a motion next week asking for bail for Ligambi, 74, who has been jailed since he was indicted in the case back in May 2011. Borgesi, 50, was released today. The South Philadelphia capo, who is Ligambi's nephew, has been in jail since his arrest in an unrelated racketeering case in March 2000 for which he subsequently was sentenced to 14 years.

"Thank you, thank you," Borgesi's brother, Anthony, said to the jurors as they left the courtroom after announcing the partial verdict in the case.

It was the second time in less than a year that a federal jury rejected the government's charges against Ligambi and Borgesi. Family members and friends smiled and hugged one another after the jury left the courtroom.

"Thank God," said Manny Borgesi, George's Borgesi's mother, as she hugged her son Anthony. They had attended nearly every day of the trial. Manny Borgesi is Joe Ligambi's sister. Borgesi's wife Alyson, who had been barred from the courtroom, smiled and hugged family members in the hallway after learning of the verdict that will send her husband home for the first time since they were married.


The couple wed while Borgesi was in a federal prison in West Virginia serving the 14-year sentence from the 2000 case.


"Once again they did not lay a finger on us," Jacobs said after the jury's decisions were announced. (Ligambi) has emerged from two federal trials without a scratch."

Jacobs was referring to the fact that Ligambi was found not guilty of five of the nine counts he faced in the first trial that ended in February. The current trial focused on the four remaining counts. Jacobs also said he was disappointed that the jury in the current case was unable to reach a decision on the three counts on which they hung.

"It's a damn shame the two dissenters didn't respect the views of the 10 who were clearly on the right path," he said. In addition to filing a motion for bail, Jacobs is expected to ask for a quick decision from the government on whether they intend to retry Ligambi a third time.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Labor, the lead prosecutor in the case, said that decision rests with the Justice Department in Washington. Labor said he was "disappointed" in the jury verdict. But he pointed out that the overall impact of the case has been to "disrupt La Cosa Nostra in Philadelphia."

Of the 14 defendants named in the indictment handed up in this case, 10 have either been convicted or pleaded guilty. Only two, Joseph "Scoops" Licata and Borgesi, have been acquitted. One defendant is still awaiting trial and Ligambi's status remains in limbo.

Borgesi's lawyer, Christopher Warren, was quick to praise Jacobs for leading the defense during the eight-week trial.

"The architect of (the acquittals of both defendants) is standing right over there," Warren said as he pointed toward Jacobs. Warren also urged everyone in both camps and those he has seen filing comments on this website to tone down the rhetoric.

"It's been an exhausting and gut-wrenching trial," he said. "We're well passed the time for the ugly vitriol to be put to bed. Let's move on."

Both lawyers chided the government for calling witnesses whose credibility and motivation were suspect. In fact, the case against Borgesi was built almost entirely around the testimony of mob informants Louis "Bent Finger Lou" Monacello and Anthony Aponick.

Jacobs, repeating an argument he made in his closing, said it was impossible to believe that "any reasonable grown-up would base any important decision" on the word of the suspect witnesses the government used to build its case.

And, as he had argued to the jury, Jacobs said the government's case was built on "ancient history" and the phony assumption that Ligambi was the boss of a criminal organization. The mob, Jacobs had told the jury, was dismantled more than a decade ago.

While gambling and loansharking still takes place, "as it does in every major city," Jacobs said, those involved in those businesses are "independent contractors" and not part of an organized criminal conspiracy.

While Jacobs said he was prepared to retry the case a third time, he said he hoped the government would not waste taxpayer money for a third chance at conviction.

Warren took a parting shot at Monacello, who is reportedly living in Ventnor, joking that "there are a lot of walnuts cracking in an asshole in Ventnor right now." Warren defended Borgesi in the current case. He had represented Licata in the first case. His clients are the only two defendants to win acquittals thus far.

Borgesi was found not guilty of 13 of the 14 counts he faced in the first trial, but the jury hung on the conspiracy count that was retried this time. The defendant left the federal building with his wife, mother and other family members. They were reportedly celebrating his release this afternoon at a party at his brother Anthony's South Philadelphia home.

http://www.bigtrial.net/2014/01/day-nine-in-mob-jury-deliberatoins.html

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News [Re: Ted] #760196
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Originally Posted By: Ted

For Ligambi:

RICO conspiracy - hung
Conspiracy to conduct an illegal gambling business - hung
Conducting an illegal electronic gambling device business - not guilty
Obstruction of justice - not guilty

Hung on Borgesi's RICO conspiracy

3/5 correct. Suck it, Vito_Scaletta. tongue


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Re: Philly Mob Retrial News [Re: Ted] #760208
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Originally Posted By: Ted
Originally Posted By: Ted

For Ligambi:

RICO conspiracy - hung
Conspiracy to conduct an illegal gambling business - hung
Conducting an illegal electronic gambling device business - not guilty
Obstruction of justice - not guilty

Hung on Borgesi's RICO conspiracy

3/5 correct. Suck it, Vito_Scaletta. tongue


No b/c they acquitted Borgesi Lol


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Re: Philly Mob Retrial News [Re: Ted] #760209
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Originally Posted By: Ted
Originally Posted By: Ted

For Ligambi:
RICO conspiracy - hung
Conspiracy to conduct an illegal gambling business - hung
Conducting an illegal electronic gambling device business - not guilty
Obstruction of justice - not guilty

Hung on Borgesi's RICO conspiracy

3/5 correct. Suck it, Vito_Scaletta. tongue


Vito's right, Teds not that sharp!!

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News [Re: Giancarlo] #760210
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http://mobile.philly.com/news/?wss=/philly/news/homepage/&id=241839001

Great article, I'm glad the bully govt didn't win, Borgesi and his family are in heaven tonite, prolly feels like a dream.

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News [Re: Giancarlo] #760211
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On twitter shratweiser says that there at his bros for a party and none of his best friends are aloud there? I don't get it, unless he has a couple months supervised release left, but none of them are on papers so I woulda figured it'd be OK to see him.

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News [Re: Giancarlo] #760213
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IMHO. Based on what was presented by the prosecution, I can't blame the jury for acquitting either of these guys. We have to take into account, that each jury member was chosen without any prior knowledge of the mob's inner-workings. Most of us here have a pretty decent background on both Borgesi and Ligambi's history. Any honest poster here knows they're guilty of everything they were charged with. If not, you're either a family member or a groupie. Either way, the case wasnt proven, so everyone can now move on. Should be interesting in south philly in the coming years!

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News [Re: Giancarlo] #760215
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And don't think for a minute that George is gonna fall into place quietly. There's a bunch of big wigs back on the street now, but not enough slices of pie to go around. Reports are that Uncle Joe and George made amends, but let's see if that relationship translates to the streets. And furthermore, how the other guys deal with that. Again, should be interesting.

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News [Re: Nice_Guy] #760217
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Originally Posted By: Nice_Guy
But just like when your at war and you kill the opposition, your not going to HELL considering both sides knew the stakes!!


Comparing these 'soldiers' to real soldiers is an insult.
This isn't war and these guys without exception, are scumbags.

If there was a hell, these guys are on the roster.
Turn off the Sopranos.


MORGAN: Why didn't you fight him at the park if you wanted to? I'm not goin' now, I'm eatin' my snack.
CHUCKIE: Morgan, Let's go.
MORGAN: I'm serious Chuckie, I ain't goin'.
WILL: So don't go.
Re: Philly Mob Retrial News [Re: Giancarlo] #760218
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10/2 were in favour of acquittal for Ligambi.

Based on this the govt shouldn't retry. I wonder if there's recourse for Ligambi. Locked up 2 years (on NON VIOLENT charges) which are unproven and likely dismissed. I'd personaly be suing someone.

Bet Warrens per hourly rate just went up. His clients Licata and Borgesi the only two acquittals.


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CHUCKIE: Morgan, Let's go.
MORGAN: I'm serious Chuckie, I ain't goin'.
WILL: So don't go.
Re: Philly Mob Retrial News [Re: SonnyBlackstein] #760219
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Originally Posted By: SonnyBlackstein
Originally Posted By: Nice_Guy
But just like when your at war and you kill the opposition, your not going to HELL considering both sides knew the stakes!!


Comparing these 'soldiers' to real soldiers is an insult.
This isn't war and these guys without exception, are scumbags.
If there was a hell, these guys are on the roster.
Turn off the Sopranos.


Listen stroke Jew prick, all I meant by that is that if your living the street life you know the stakes.
Your either an uptight citizen that doesn't want to believe that there is a code each criminal should follow, or a cop that's got the jag off attitude 24/7, I would never give a true soldier an insult by comparing him to a Hustler off the street so don't twist what I meant...I'm not involved in crime because 90% of the guys on the street are rats and scumbags and I agree with you on that.
Go turn on A porno ya jerkoff lol

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News [Re: Vito_Scaletta] #760222
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Originally Posted By: Vito_Scaletta
Originally Posted By: Ted
Originally Posted By: Ted

For Ligambi:

RICO conspiracy - hung
Conspiracy to conduct an illegal gambling business - hung
Conducting an illegal electronic gambling device business - not guilty
Obstruction of justice - not guilty

Hung on Borgesi's RICO conspiracy

3/5 correct. Suck it, Vito_Scaletta. tongue


No b/c they acquitted Borgesi Lol

I was correct on Ligambi's Obstruction, RICO conspiracy and one gambling charge. I was incorrect about Ligambi's other gambling charge and Borgesi's conspiracy. Therefore 3/5.


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Man when you think about it a lot of Borgesi's friends testified against him going way back to his 1st trial Ralph Natale,Horeshead Scafidi,Roger Vella,now Aponick,Frankie the Fixer and Monacello.I wonder what he's thinking.

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Georgie is looking big - saw him in court - thick and lats are big ... He's been hitting the weights. No one should mess with him face to face. Uncle joe is looking good too - lean and in good shape but Georgie can probably bench 300 pounds

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Georgie in good shape -

Last edited by Jose; 01/25/14 09:31 AM.
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I believe Georgie is the real deal and that's why so many guys flipped on him, they all were the happiest guys in the world hanging wit him when things were good and getting VIP treatment because of association but the minute indictments and consequences of the life were coming, they'd rather "point the finger at the bad guy" and blame and lie to get from underneath the problem.
If I was a cop my strategy would be when I get a pinch and the guy says "he's got info" I'm gonna tell him "fvck you, I don't wanna hear it", your going down for what you do. The guy your gonna tell on he will get caught on his own time so I ain't worried about it. What's it gonna create? All the fakes that wanna make a name for themselves are gonna think twice before they commit crimes, the crime rate would go down and the only people doing dirt are people that can handle the consequence.
The Govt. Bullies need to stop relying on Rats to rig the system. God don't like ugly.....

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Take your personal gripes to Private Messages.


@TJ
You're right.
There aren't enough capo/ admin jobs around in Philly to appease the amount of Merlino followers. Some long time earners are going to get passed over and they will not take it easily.
Let's hope the Ligambi mentality holds true and these guys can keep quiet and try another strategy than shooting their way to the top.


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Won't be a problem, philly will expand and adapt


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Ligambi (if dismissed) will most likely (and should) catch the Florida retirement train.

Philly is too top heavy stacked. Too many chiefs not enough Indians.


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CHUCKIE: Morgan, Let's go.
MORGAN: I'm serious Chuckie, I ain't goin'.
WILL: So don't go.
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@Sonny you're right imo.

@bigfella
Yeah, but we know how the US Attorney's Office plays ball:
"Hell hath no fury than a woman scorned."
US Attorney Han and his bosses are DEFINITELY women scorned.


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Originally Posted By: FrankMazola
Take your personal gripes to Private Messages.


@TJ
You're right.
There aren't enough capo/ admin jobs around in Philly to appease the amount of Merlino followers. Some long time earners are going to get passed over and they will not take it easily.
Let's hope the Ligambi mentality holds true and these guys can keep quiet and try another strategy than shooting their way to the top.



Frank Mazola.,If the gripe line was for me I'm laughing, ask your girl for your balls back that she holds in her purse and say my name lollol,,my comment was related to 22s comment.
Lol then you wanna talk like you know what goes on in the street, stick to explaining "rulings"'and court talk, and BTW ya did a good job on your Jacobs post but do me a favor don't comment about the street when you don't know whizz about it.
@Tj
I think you guys forget who went to war for the top spot last, it was the merlino crew, Georgie gonna have that spot back real fast and easy. He's a guy that gets his hands dirty, has faced trials that amounted to life and another trial still being in the can 11+ That woulda kept him another 15.
Anastasia was saying there gonna flip him, NO that's just what they were hoping. FVCKIN mouthpiece for the FBI sneaky prick, anyways This guys got balls of steel from telling the DA he's a Fn punk to his face, then them articles came out by Bender and they made him look real bad but he was still spilling his thoughts and swearing and be didn't give a fvck, so therefore any real guy from the street admires and can't help but respect that, and Narducci is way outnumbered so he's joining there gang not the other way around, Scarfo crew is not coming back,,Merlino/Ligambi crew now run them streets.....

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At the philadium and no one here

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Jose… the comment was not intended for you, it was on another poster who can't keep his emotions (or anti-Semitic comments) in check.

I'm not a "street guy" but I come from family in North Jersey unions. They've dealt with Philly and stronger factions up North. I feel just at home in South Philly as I do in Center City. I didn't like this case. I'm no hanger on but not a yuppie either. I don't intend to not come off as such.

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Only try and state facts guys and give everyone a look - if there's a problem I'll stop

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Ligambi is not going nowhere, he's untouchable and he knows it, if anyone goes to Florida it will be to oversee new rackets, merlino people's are lifers


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Originally Posted By: thebigfella
Ligambi is not going nowhere, he's untouchable and he knows it, if anyone goes to Florida it will be to oversee new rackets, merlino people's are lifers


Amen I been saying that along!!

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