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Re: Philly Mob Retrial News [Re: spmob] #759462
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It's been a while sp where you been?

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News [Re: Giancarlo] #759464
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I'm sorry, the whole Nicodemo is really weird. I don't care how dumb someone may be, who does a hit in broad daylight, on crowded streets, in front of witnesses and leaves the mask and gun on the car...and drives there own car....??

The whole thing stinks...

There would have been dozens of way t tae the guy out if that what was needed to be done, including having any number of associates that would like to make a name for themselves...


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Re: Philly Mob Retrial News [Re: jmack] #759473
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Originally Posted By: jmack
It's been a while sp where you been?


Just lurking around. smile

I post here and there. Hoping this trial will come to an end soon.

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News [Re: Giancarlo] #759474
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Sunday, January 19, 2014
Ligambi Jury Reaches Partial Verdict; Specter of Third Trial Rises

"Uncle Joe" Ligambi could be facing trial number three...
The jury in the racketeering conspiracy retrial of old-school Philly mob boss Joseph "Uncle Joe" Ligambi and his nephew, George Borgesi, has reached a partial verdict, but it won't be made public until Tuesday (Monday is a holiday).

Before recessing on Friday, the jury sent the judge a note saying it had reached a verdict on two of the five counts, but remained hung on the other three.

The note highlighted that there was a "firm difference of opinion" over the remaining charges.

Ligambi, 74, is charged with racketeering conspiracy, two counts of illegal gambling and one count of witness tampering. The case against him includes secretly recorded conversations, most of which involve other mobsters as well as cooperators.

Borgesi, 50, faces a single count of racketeering conspiracy that is built primarily on informants' testimony; the consensus of court watchers says that Borgesi's fate depends on whether or not the jurors believe any of the two turncoats that provided testimony during trial.

If jurors voted for guilt on the conspiracy charge, it could lead to sentences of 10 years or more.

But if racketeering conspiracy is among the three charges on which the jury is hung -- which is what happened in the first trial -- the issue will become whether the government would opt to try the two defendants a third time.

For context, John Gotti Junior was hit with four racketeering trials, all of which ended in mistrials. In January 2010, federal prosecutors announced that they would no longer seek to prosecute Gotti for the charges. However, unlike in the Ligambi trial, the charges against Junior included serious violence: murder, drug trafficking, loan sharking and kidnapping.
However, unlike in the Ligambi trial, the charges against Junior included serious violence: murder, drug trafficking, loansharking and kidnapping.

The issue of bail would likely be raised if a third trial becomes the potential scenario; the two defendants have been held since May 2011.

According to Anastasia, one friend told Ligambi: "I cut two pounds of soppressata (for a victory celebration). It'll wait til Tuesday."

Ligambi smiled and nodded.


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Re: Philly Mob Retrial News [Re: Giancarlo] #759491
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another snow storm hitting Philly tomorrow whatever that may mean .. rest assured this trial ends this week IMO

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News [Re: Jose] #759493
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Originally Posted By: Jose
another snow storm hitting Philly tomorrow whatever that may mean .. rest assured this trial ends this week IMO


I was just going to post this. I've heard between 3 and 10 inches. I guess we will see what happens.

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News [Re: jmack] #759522
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Originally Posted By: jmack
Originally Posted By: Jose
another snow storm hitting Philly tomorrow whatever that may mean .. rest assured this trial ends this week IMO


I was just going to post this. I've heard between 3 and 10 inches. I guess we will see what happens.


If a vic's cat stops deliberations, who knows what a cold front could do.


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Re: Philly Mob Retrial News [Re: Giancarlo] #759533
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not guilty today and the boys go home to soppressata


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Re: Philly Mob Retrial News [Re: Giancarlo] #759548
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Anyone now if court was cancelled today? The snow started to come down around 10am and its really coming down now so I know they will let them go home. But did they ever even start? Are they going to give us the partial verdict or will they have to keep deliberating?

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News [Re: Giancarlo] #759551
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TUESDAY, JANUARY 21, 2014

Snow Stalls Mob Trial Deliberations
By George Anastasia
For Bigtrial.net

Jury deliberations ended shortly after they began this morning in the racketeering conspiracy retrial of mob boss Joe Ligambi and his nephew George Borgesi.

With snow beginning to swirl outside the federal courthouse at 6th and Market Streets and with predictions of a snow storm that would dump eight to 10 inches on the city, Judge Eduardo Robreno dismissed the panel at 10:30, about an hour after deliberations began.

The jury of 11 women and one man is due back tomorrow, but with snow predicted to continue through tonight and with strong winds and dropping temperatures to follow, another delay is possible.

The jury has deliberated for seven days after hearing eight weeks of testimony. On Friday it announced that it had reached a verdict on two of the five counts it is considering and had a "firm difference of opinion" on the other three. Robreno urged the panel to continue deliberations.

It could not be determined what charges have been decided or whether the jury has voted to convict or acquit.

Borgesi, 50, faces one count of conspiracy. Ligambi, 74, is charge with conspiracy, two counts of illegal gambling and one count of witness tampering.

Both men have been held without bail since the indictment in the case was handed up in May 2011. Their first trial ended with a jury unable to reach a verdict on the counts now pending. In that case, four other defendants were convicted and one was acquitted.

That jury, after three weeks of deliberations, delivered not guilty verdicts on 46 counts, guilty verdicts on five and hung on 11 others, including the charges against Ligambi and Borgesi that are now being retried.

George Anastasia can be contacted at George@bigtrial.net.

Read more at http://www.bigtrial.net/#Hqp10HgaDmDym1HL.99


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Re: Philly Mob Retrial News [Re: Giancarlo] #759555
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They really don't want to let these guys go


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Re: Philly Mob Retrial News [Re: Giancarlo] #759557
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Agree with you tbf but the weather and roads are awful

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News [Re: Giancarlo] #759558
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Yea at this point time served seems like an appropriate sentence

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News [Re: Giancarlo] #759561
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What did Joe Montegna say to Warren Beatty in Bugsy when the opening of the Flamingo was delayed? "You can't control the weather Benny, no mere mortal ever could".

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News [Re: Giancarlo] #759563
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I feel like its never going to end!


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Re: Philly Mob Retrial News [Re: Wilson101] #759564
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Originally Posted By: VegasMikey
Yea at this point time served seems like an appropriate sentence

Never happen. They either walk on a not guilty verdict, or this judge maxes them out on a guilty one. I see no in between.


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Re: Philly Mob Retrial News [Re: pizzaboy] #759565
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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: VegasMikey
Yea at this point time served seems like an appropriate sentence

Never happen. They either walk on a not guilty verdict, or this judge maxes them out on a guilty one. I see no in between.


I agree. While I don't share the sentiment of others on here that the judge has been trying to screw these guys, I do think that if they are found guilty he is going to max them out.

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News [Re: Dellacroce] #759567
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This is beyond a joke and yes the judge is hoping to max them out, he is a Jag off and this trial is hurting his reputation in Philadelphia For being biased.
They def don't want to let these guys go and he's been delaying all these court days with a smile on his face. First the stupid cat(if there is even one or if so maybe dead by now), then they declared mistrial and he sent them back to work, and now the snow!,what? people in philly won't survive in snow? Lol,
He will delay this trial for many more reasons before it's over, Georgie and Joe must be deliriously laughing about how this is playing out, while there family is suffering from not knowing the uncertain, They have been held for 3 years on this case, wtf is that, lucibello and Angelina will be home soon and merlino will be off supervised release in March, this trial will end when Scarfo sr is paroled lol FUCKING ASSHOLES LOLLOL

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News [Re: Giancarlo] #759570
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george and joe must be going nuts inside...couldnt imagine


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Re: Philly Mob Retrial News [Re: cheech] #759571
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There is NOTHING I would like to see more than Freckles Borgesi getting convicted and staying in the can...I hope they turn him into a raving lunatic and send him to solitary for 6 months...Hope Uncle Joe walks!

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News [Re: Giancarlo] #759572
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Any news on the Scarfo bank fraud trial going on in Camden?

There was a few articles saying the trial started and then nothing. No more news on it.

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Robreno is not going to risk the jurors safety with the snow travel and roads. It's blizzard conditions which I'm sure you can appreciate in Chicago NG...I wouldn't be surprised if they have off tomorrow too.

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If anastasia gets the boot from the scarfo case they'll have other reporters in the courtroom. I think those guys are done for - scarfo and pelullo, just going thru the motions

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Y nobody likes borgesi? Does this guy have any friends? He seems to be very powerful in the streets


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Re: Philly Mob Retrial News [Re: JCB1977] #759580
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Originally Posted By: JCB1977
There is NOTHING I would like to see more than Freckles Borgesi getting convicted and staying in the can...I hope they turn him into a raving lunatic and send him to solitary for 6 months...Hope Uncle Joe walks!
[quote=JCB1977]

Hey I'm just curious, why do u want to see him guilty? Are you a victim of something or do you personally know them, again just curious.
Thks

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Originally Posted By: Jose
If anastasia gets the boot from the scarfo case they'll have other reporters in the courtroom. I think those guys are done for - scarfo and pelullo, just going thru the motions

I agree Jose...these guys...Scarfo Jr and Pelullo are screwed. Scarfo is gonna get hammered hard at his sentencing.

I used to know the lawyer that was charged in the case Don Manno a little bit, and to me he always seemed to be a pretty decent guy. I hope he beats the case....i was pretty surprised he got involved in it in the first place.

I forgot George A said he might not be able to cover the trial, so i really hope one of the other local crime reporters does.

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I would think the judge's reputation would be ruined if he didn't send the jury home.Once November rolls around there is probably never even close to a 5 day ''work''week when it comes to these trials.With the holiday's,bad weather days,and throw in a day when the jury itself has a situation [sick cat] these trials drag on forever.

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News [Re: Nice_Guy] #759607
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Originally Posted By: Nice_Guy
[quote=JCB1977]There is NOTHING I would like to see more than Freckles Borgesi getting convicted and staying in the can...I hope they turn him into a raving lunatic and send him to solitary for 6 months...Hope Uncle Joe walks!
Originally Posted By: JCB1977


Hey I'm just curious, why do u want to see him guilty? Are you a victim of something or do you personally know them, again just curious.
Thks


I don't want to answer for JCB or anything. But a lot of people feel this way. Ligambi gets by on a "no penchant for violence" reputation publicly, even though he served 10 years for killing Frankie Flowers and got off on a technicality. He's a real (or wannabe, whatever you choose to believe) Angelo Bruno type.

Borgesi is known as a loose canon with a mean streak. A real student of the "Nicodemo Scarfo School for the Incompetent Napoleon Complex Wiseguy". People in Philadelphia and New Jersey have seen more than enough of this type of gangster and they don't want to see another one walking around South Philly.


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Re: Philly Mob Retrial News [Re: Giancarlo] #759613
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I saw GA posted on his Blog a few times given the assortment of comments being made. He asked one question to the audience? What should I cover guys this trial? The scarfo trial or the Masternardo Trial?

So go to bigtrial.net and let george hear your voice


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Re: Philly Mob Retrial News [Re: Giancarlo] #759614
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They've already announced schools and state court in philly will be closed on Wednesday so i would assume the federal courts in Philly (and Camden) will be too. Looks like nothing before thursday at the earliest as far as the Ligambi and Borgesi trial goes.

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