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Re: Philly Mob Retrial News [Re: 22] #756691
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Originally Posted By: 22
I wonder if it it psychology to be locked up at the federal building instesd of a federal prison.By that I mean even though they don't have their freedom its like they look out the window and see familiar sites.Family is only minutes away.To me it just seemed unusual the way they said Ligambi was joking with the feds about gambling and how the only thing on Borgesi's mind was the pizza for lunch.I think Borgesi will walk but he has to be concerned that if he doesn't it will have been like he got a life sentence back in 2001 instead of 14 years.I'm not saying they should walk around with attitudes but if they do get jammed up then their out in the heartland of America or way down south where it seems like it would be very lonely.


Ever heard of two spaces after you end a sentence? Just curious never seen anyone purposely type like this, makes it hard to read/view.

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Ever heard of two spaces after you end a sentence? Just curious never seen anyone purposely type like this, makes it hard to read/view.


Don't even go into the Boston thread then. Some guys don't even space between words(mostly misspelled). And punctuation?Fuhgeddaboutit(did I spell that wrong??)!!

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Originally Posted By: mike68
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Ever heard of two spaces after you end a sentence? Just curious never seen anyone purposely type like this, makes it hard to read/view.


Don't even go into the Boston thread then. Some guys don't even space between words(mostly misspelled). And punctuation?Fuhgeddaboutit(did I spell that wrong??)!!


Yeah, that one is BAD. So much knuckle dragging going on in that thread.

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Re: Philly Mob Retrial News [Re: Giancarlo] #756715
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I am not real good on computers,I have been on some sites for 5 years and nobody has ever said anything,not to say it's right, even been on here for a long time and this is a first.Ok I'm going to try this. I at least spell ok and try to use punctuation when necessary. Is that what you mean,end the sentence and then it the space bar twice?

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Originally Posted By: Extortion
Originally Posted By: 22
I wonder if it it psychology to be locked up at the federal building instesd of a federal prison.By that I mean even though they don't have their freedom its like they look out the window and see familiar sites.Family is only minutes away.To me it just seemed unusual the way they said Ligambi was joking with the feds about gambling and how the only thing on Borgesi's mind was the pizza for lunch.I think Borgesi will walk but he has to be concerned that if he doesn't it will have been like he got a life sentence back in 2001 instead of 14 years.I'm not saying they should walk around with attitudes but if they do get jammed up then their out in the heartland of America or way down south where it seems like it would be very lonely.


Ever heard of two spaces after you end a sentence? Just curious never seen anyone purposely type like this, makes it hard to read/view.


Seriously, all the other crap going on and you're busting the guy's hump about making 2 spaces at the end of sentences? Try harder, I think you'll be able to understand what he's saying. I've been reading 22's posts for years and never had a problem. Find something else to spend your time worrying about.


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Thanks Carmela

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Re: Philly Mob Retrial News [Re: carmela] #756727
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Originally Posted By: carmela
Originally Posted By: Extortion
Originally Posted By: 22
I wonder if it it psychology to be locked up at the federal building instesd of a federal prison.By that I mean even though they don't have their freedom its like they look out the window and see familiar sites.Family is only minutes away.To me it just seemed unusual the way they said Ligambi was joking with the feds about gambling and how the only thing on Borgesi's mind was the pizza for lunch.I think Borgesi will walk but he has to be concerned that if he doesn't it will have been like he got a life sentence back in 2001 instead of 14 years.I'm not saying they should walk around with attitudes but if they do get jammed up then their out in the heartland of America or way down south where it seems like it would be very lonely.


Ever heard of two spaces after you end a sentence? Just curious never seen anyone purposely type like this, makes it hard to read/view.


Seriously, all the other crap going on and you're busting the guy's hump about making 2 spaces at the end of sentences? Try harder, I think you'll be able to understand what he's saying. I've been reading 22's posts for years and never had a problem. Find something else to spend your time worrying about.




well put, agree 100%...always enjoy reading 22 especially about philly


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Re: Philly Mob Retrial News [Re: cheech] #756733
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ALSO agreed 100%.I also enjoy your contributions 22.and i will never double space after a sentence.ever.lol.

Anyway 22 I know what you mean. If I was Borgesi I would be focusing on wtf I was gonna do. Being in Philly for them must be pretty sweet given all there family and friends are only a couple miles away. They probably get plenty of visitors, atleast the max your aloud. West Virginia is a few hour hike from Philly but shit if they go to Atlanta or Arizona or anything far there not gonna be getting too many visitors period. I am not sure how this trial is going to end. I would think they both are not guilty, or if anything Ligambi walks and Borgesi gets some more years.


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Originally Posted By: carmela
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I wonder if it it psychology to be locked up at the federal building instesd of a federal prison.By that I mean even though they don't have their freedom its like they look out the window and see familiar sites.Family is only minutes away.To me it just seemed unusual the way they said Ligambi was joking with the feds about gambling and how the only thing on Borgesi's mind was the pizza for lunch.I think Borgesi will walk but he has to be concerned that if he doesn't it will have been like he got a life sentence back in 2001 instead of 14 years.I'm not saying they should walk around with attitudes but if they do get jammed up then their out in the heartland of America or way down south where it seems like it would be very lonely.


Ever heard of two spaces after you end a sentence? Just curious never seen anyone purposely type like this, makes it hard to read/view.


Seriously, all the other crap going on and you're busting the guy's hump about making 2 spaces at the end of sentences? Try harder, I think you'll be able to understand what he's saying. I've been reading 22's posts for years and never had a problem. Find something else to spend your time worrying about.


Yes, I am so worried. lol

also had nothing to do with his contributions at all so stop making it look like it was a personal attack? settle down people.

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you ahigh shcool prniciapl??staitaziet an turn up your Zoom......Lol. I know you already been told but when I seen that I had to say sumthin..my man always has good post.. Their been lots of good post lately by everybody.. and real good pics lately by handsome steve.. Steve must know somebody to have those pics..And i thought I heard Ny was trying to have some say in philly operations..I think they have as much say as little joey right now.. that is NONE..

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News [Re: Giancarlo] #756764
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Man I just saw all of these comments,I really appreciate everyone's input.That made me feel good.Thanks again everybody.

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New article posted on the fixers testimony today. Didn't sound too good on Philly.com for joe and Georgie but we'll see what bigtrial says. It sounded like the defense rested today.

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Thursday, January 2, 2014

Frankie The Fixer's Encore Not As Sweet For The Defense


By George Anastasia
For Bigtrial.net


Frankie the Fixer changed his tune.

And the music wasn't quite as sweet for the defense in the racketeering retrial of mob boss Joseph "Uncle Joe" Ligambi and his nephew, George Borgesi.

A government informant whom the prosecution opted not to call this time, Frank DiGiacomo, 49, appeared took the stand today as the final defense witness in the eight-week old trial that is expected to go to the jury on Monday.

While DiGiacomo, an admitted con man, hustler and mob enforcer, helped the defense with his testimony in the first trial last year, his performance this morning was a mixed bag, not as pointedly hostile toward key government witness Louis "Bent Finger Lou" Monacello and on occasion damaging to Ligambi and Borgesi.

Last year, much to the prosecution's chagrin, DiGiacomo discredited Monacello and undermined much of his testimony. This time, while still labeling his former mob associate as a "greedy," sneaky and dangerous individual, he emphasized that both he and Monacello worked for and reported to Borgesi and Ligambi.


"I never called him boss," DiGiacomo said of his relationship with Monacello, a statement that was contradictory his testimony in the first trial.

"That was my boss, right there," he added, pointing to the 74-year-old Ligambi seated at the defense table.

He also testified that Monacello told him that the profits from a loansharking operation they were running for Borgesi would be split among the three of them, each receiving 10 percent. And he said that Monacello told him that he, Monacello, "was handling" a lucrative sports betting and loansharking business "for Georgie" and that "all orders came from Joe."

The decision to call DiGiacomo as a witness may backfire on the defense since his testimony in many ways supported the testimony of Monacello and Anthony Aponick, two other Borgesi associates who testified that Borgesi was running a gambling and loanshark business from behind bars.

Borgesi, 50, was convicted in an unrelated racketeering case and sentenced to 14 years in prisoin in 2001.

DiGiacomo, 49, began cooperating with the FBI and the Pennsylvania State Police in 2007. He wore a body wire and recorded dozens of conversations that were used in large part to convict Monacello, 46, on state charges for which he was sentenced to less than two years.

DiGiacomo said he was Monacello's associate and muscle from 1998 until Monacello's arrest in the state case in 2008. He described Monacello as a blowhard who often dropped Borgesi's name, but his testimony lacked the bite that it had in the first trial where he described Monacello as someone who had bragged that "This is my crew and I'm the boss."

In that first trial, DiGiacomo also testified that Monacello relentlessly squeezed him for money and also contradicted other parts of Monacello's testimony. Borgesi's lawyer, Christopher Warren, who called DiGiacomo as a witness, challenged him several times today on the seeming contradictions between what he was saying on the stand and what he had said last year.

Some examples:

Today DiGiacomo said that Monacello went to visit Borgesi in prison about twice year. That's consistent with prison records and Monacello's testimony. Last year he said Monacello told him he visited Borgesi every other month, or about six times a year.

In the first trial, DiGiacomo said he knew very little about money that Monacello was funneling to Borgesi through Borgesi's wife. This time he said he was required to kick in $200-a-month and that cash was given to Alyson Borgesi on a monthly basis.

"Lou collected it," said DiGiacomo who told the jury this morning that he believed another friend, Sal Zangari, delivered the money. He said he knew nothing of Monacello's claim that he, Monacello, dropped an envelope of cash in the glove compartment of Alyson Borgesi's car, but insisted that cash was given to her as Borgesi's share in their illegal activities.

Dressed in a brown suit, white shirt and bronze tie, DiGiacomo spent less than an hour on the stand. He said he has been relocated and is a candidate for the Witness Protection Program. He was questioned by Warren, but Ligambi's lawyer, Edwin Jacobs Jr., opted not to ask any questions.

In the first trial, DiGiacomo described the mobsters he associated with as "good guys" who were fun to hang out with and he described himself as someone who had "betrayed" his friends by becoming a government informant.

His story today was more matter-of-fact and lacked the poignancy and personal deprecation. He said he became a cooperator because he was deeply in debt to several mobsters and couldn't repay the money.

Asked by Assistant U.S. Attorney John Han if he feared for his life, DiGiacomo responded, "Yes...There was no more options, no more choices."

That response goes to one of the key issues in the prosecution case -- the position that the mob's reputation for violence, even when not violence was committed, was a prime factor in controlling the criminal underworld. On several occasions he also testified that Ligambi was the boss and that he, DiGiacomo, worked in a crew being run by Monacello but controlled by Borgesi.

Those comments also go to the heart of the racketeering conspiracy charge that both Ligambi and Borgesi face. They were never as clearly stated by DiGiacomo in the first trial.

Judge Eduardo Robreno has scheduled closing arguments in the case for Monday morning. They are expected to take about a day and a half. Robreno hopes to charge the jury on the law Tuesday afternoon. It was unclear if deliberations would begin them on Wednesday morning.

Borgesi was acquitted of 13 of the 14 counts he faced in the first trial. In this trial, the government case appears to hinge entirely on whether the anonymously chosen jury panel believes the testimony of Monacello and Aponick.

While DiGiacomo, as a government witness, went a long way toward discrediting Monacello in that first trial (Aponick was not called as a witness), his testimony today fell far short of that. Ironically, as a government witness last year, DiGiacomo may have aided the defense. This time, as a defense witness, he may have help prop up the prosecution's case.

But until the jury comes back with its verdict, that is merely courtroom speculation.

DiGiacomo conceded under questioning from Warren that pressure from Monacello, to whom he also owed money, was a factor in his decision to cooperate. .

"The greed got out of control," he said of Monacello.

Then, pointing to the prosecution table, he added, "That's why I'm with these guys today."

http://www.bigtrial.net/2014/01/frankie-fixers-encore-not-as-sweet-for.html

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In court, 'Frankie the Fixer' describes collecting loan-sharking debts

As a government witness in Joseph Ligambi's first trial in 2012, Francis "Frankie the Fixer" DiGiacomo underwhelmed, declaring the reputed Philadelphia mob boss and his associates "great people" and characterizing another star government cooperator as a "sneaky" liar.

But as he returned to the witness stand Thursday - this time as a witness for the defense - DiGiacomo didn't do his former mob colleagues many favors, either.

"That was my boss, right there," he said pointing to Ligambi across the courtroom.

DiGiacomo's testimony Thursday came on the final day of evidence in the racketeering retrial of Ligambi and his nephew George Borgesi.

Prosecutors will have one last shot Monday to convince jurors that the two oversaw a loan-sharking and illegal gambling racket before the panel is expected to begin deliberations next week.

While DiGiacomo's testimony may have sewn confusion for the previous jury, which deadlocked on the most serious charges against the two mob leaders last year, on Thursday he left little doubt who he believed he was working for.

"We were doing it for George, and had to take all orders from Joe," he said.

DiGiacomo, a 49-year-old plumber by trade, a mob debt-collector by talent, said he worked as a member of Borgesi's crew for years, collecting payments from loan-sharking debtors using threats and sometimes actual acts of violence.

That is until his own debts threatened his position within the mob.

Fearing for his life, he turned to federal agents for help in 2007 and began recording his dealings with Borgesi's No. 2 - Louis "Bent Finger Lou" Monacello. He is now in the federal witness protection program.

"I didn't have no more options," he said Thursday. "No more choices."

In dozens of tapes played for jurors during the past two months, DiGiacomo and Monacello hashed out the day-to-day frustrations of managing the sports bookmaking and loan-sharking operations. Monacello said he took over for Borgesi, after Borgesi was sentenced on a 2000 federal racketeering charge.

Borgesi contends he had no involvement in or knowledge of the crimes Monacello was committing in his name. His lawyer, Christopher Warren, came to court Thursday hoping for a repeat of DiGiacomo's defense-friendly testimony in 2012.

But despite repeated questioning about whether Monacello might simply been throwing their former boss' name around, DiGiacomo stuck to his story.

He submitted payments to Monacello, who gave them to a third man to pass on to Borgesi's wife, in cash-stuffed envelopes, he said.

Who did that money ultimately benefit? Assistant U.S. Attorney John S. Han asked.

"Georgie," DiGiacomo said.

Under cross-examination, DiGiacomo also said he had spoken directly with Ligambi about the loan-sharking business.

Still, the plumber conceded he had no direct communication with the imprisoned Borgesi and dealt primarily with Monacello.

In more than a year since the last trial, Monacello did not appear to have risen much in DiGiacomo's estimation.

DiGiacomo's cooperation helped send Monacello to prison on state racketeering charges in 2008 and led to his indictment a year later, along with Ligambi and Borgesi in the current federal case.

Again, the plumber described his former associate as "greedy" and "very sneaky."

As for everyone else, they may be the "great people" DiGiacomo described last time around, but, as his testimony came to a close Thursday, he reiterated he always knew the mob's pecking order.

"I knew Joe was the boss," he said. "And I knew what Georgie was."


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Sorry Vito...didn't see you already posted the article.

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Damn. I didn't think it was gonna turn out good by calling The Fixer up. They took a risk with that one. But its just hearsay. Can't wait til next week to see what happens.


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I think that was a major mistake putting the Fixer on. He gave up Joe as the Boss and that he did collections for Georgie. He just made the government case as a Defense witness. What could Jacobs had been thinking. IMO

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Originally Posted By: Beanshooter
I think that was a major mistake putting the Fixer on. He gave up Joe as the Boss and that he did collections for Georgie. He just made the government case as a Defense witness. What could Jacobs had been thinking. IMO


Jacobs didn't call him. Warren did. Jacobs didn't even ask him any questions.

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Lawyer job is to create doubt and that goal was accomplished, the fixer said he became an informant to keep from paying back money, that makes everything he say untrustworthy, there's no evidence linking Joe or George to anything, but on the other hand a lot of mobsters is doing time not because of evidence but because the jury be lived the story so we will see


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Don't let the media spin on his testimony fool you. He said flat out "I had no other choice" I think that helps the defense

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One minute I think they are going to walk and then I go back to thinking they won't.They said last time the conspiracy charge wasn't explained right.I think this time they made it clear that if you had any gain from this or it benefitted you in anyway you were part of it.I do think a lot of the informants testimonies might have been trumped up or maybe not even true but you would think the jury would have have to think Borgesi and Uncle Joe had some kind of connection to it.I'm sure a lot of what they said is true.Probably an over said statement but it's going to come down to whoever the jury believes.

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The Fixer just sank these 2....bad idea for Warren to call him


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you would think Warren would have prepped Digiacomo? weird


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must have been uncomfortable in the courtroom for the defense and supporters and warren. He must have asked Georgie if he wanted to call him or not. I still put this one in the defense favor .. lots of hearsay involved from guys looking for breaks and very suspect ones at that.

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What I don't understand is ''The Fixer''said he had no way out so he turns to the Feds to get out from under his debt and be re-located.But yet during the 1st trial he basically had nothing but good things to say about the defendants and he bad-mouthed Monacello.Wasn't he supposed to be working for the government? This time he seemed more like a government witness,but after that 1st trial if I was his handlers I would have told him to hit the road if your on their side.He seemed to be playing both sides of the fence.

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I think the era of juries believing everything a turncoat says is coming to an end, the public is so saturated with rats that the potential juror is becoming disgusted with them, now the feds will be forced to do real work and present real evidence in order to gain a conviction


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Re: Philly Mob Retrial News [Re: Giancarlo] #757057
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Wonder how much the Philly books took on this eagles game ... if they lay off any to New York or other books ... Probably very big action in south Philly - Stevie is either gonna do very well or bad .. Either way Stevie and Sonny make their money this playoff season

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Re: Philly Mob Retrial News [Re: Giancarlo] #757068
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I bet ya they lost money to that chiefs game cause i know thats the mazzones team


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Re: Philly Mob Retrial News [Re: Giancarlo] #757069
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I bet ya they lost money to that chiefs game cause i know thats the mazzones team


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