Your missing:

Mike sarno
Salvatore cautadella
Al vena
Dino Marino
Christie spina

I would go ahead an throw these names out there as possibilities, too:

Solly Cautadella
Nicholas Guzzino
Tony Dote
Bobby Abbinanti
Frank Catapano
Joe Saladino

The list wasn't made by me. I think Ivy or someone else posted in a couple of years ago in this same thread.

people don't realize how many shitholes like alsip, midlothian, thornton, etc. exist

so of course they don't understand the southside

Virgil Cimino is supposedly pretty heavy too no?

I don't think it's a coincidence that the fed's number more or less coincides with the number, give or take a handful, that a bunch of people who primarily get their information from the media, with a small degree of word of mouth (us), come up with.

Of those listed you could probably put about 15 who are hard core gangsters who have been arrested multiple times and if they weren't "made" it would be surprising.

Another 10 or so who are again on public record for being, at the least, heavily involved.

And a handful who are more under the radar.

That is one reason why I think the number is probably accurate.

If someone were to come up with 30 more probable "made" guys, it would be a far more nebulous exercise...

The question marks on this list would be ahead of the most suspicious guys on the next list.

So, I don't think it's a coincidence.

40-50 including those in jail seems to make sense. Also, the Outfit seemed to always be much more selective with who was actually made than NY.

The Vegas wise guys are:

Sam Cecola
Vegas Rick Rizzolo
Joseph Cusumano

Unknown if Cusumano is active. Unlikely though. Unknown if Cecola and Rizzolo are made or really active.

Just out of curiousity as a kid growing up, I was told Franklin Park was once a mob town. Is that true, and if so did they just move on eventually?

If you have been a career criminal I would have to assume that by the time you spend 5-10 in the can and waking up everyday ducking the law and fighting with your counterparts that by the time you hit 60 the shit would begin to wear on you. As far as associates go I feel it has to been trying taking orders from a gangster everyday granted we all know the are perks but for the most part it would seem like 60-70 years old would be outs if possible. Then again its an entirely different mindstate for criminal than for a kid you grew up in the burbs and was given a chance life to be what HE wants.

The list is missing more than several names. And Rocco Lombardo is not a made man LOL

Also, Tony Dote & Bob Abbinanti are not made men.

Bobby and Tony D are definitely made.

Under who and when? Abbinanti maybe. Not likely. Dote no way. Heavy guys, but not at made.

Make a list HSA we value your delusions so very much man please Inform us of which one of this guys lost his wallet under you ma's bed.

Not made** Maybe in very recent years? But under whom?

All I know about Bobby Abbinanti is that he figured prominently in Cooley's book, he was Marco's muscle.

He was one of the more prominent goons. But I read it so long ago and I can't really remember much else.

Then he came out on the news a few years ago denying some report that Rod Blogovaich had once been a bookie under him, LOL.

Also to the mods, for some reason I was banned on my home computer/IP. I have to think it was a mistake as I have not said or done anything offensive.

Same here...I was having issues on my mobile devices. I don't think it was intentional as I'm able to get on now.


HSAC...who else would you add?

True, but you see lots of old guys get out of the can and still live the life. Its all they've known for forty years. Sonny Franzese was still active and he's in his 90s.

Cool, thanks. Must have been a technical issue.

I just sent the board administrator an email asking my forum status. I got the same message from my mobile phone saying my IP address was banned from the forum. I've had a few disagreements with a few posters, but didn't think anything was "over the top." Hopefully, it's an error with the site.

Blagojevich & Abbinanti came up together since they were children. Abbinanti hooked Rob up with Marco D.

Ha...I don't doubt it. I wouldn't put anything past Rod.

I have been banned from my home IP. Not quite sure why.

During the Family Secrets trial, a couple different articles cited the FBI as saying there were 4 crews and who the leaders were. More recently, in 2011, one FBI official said the Outfit was down to "two or three crews."

As I said earlier in this thread, the FBI said Sarno was the Outfit's acting boss prior to him being indicted.



That 28 number they cited appears to be a total figure, as FBI officials also referenced 25 and 30 members elsewhere.



Notice how those non-Italian examples are from the distant past. The Chicago mob is very much an Italian thing now in terms of it's structure and the real power-players left. And the FBI is going to have as accurate an accounting of the Outfit's membership as any other family.



That list was originally posted on another forum years ago by a well known, and very well research poster on the Outfit. It was a list of names who he had specifically seen cited as made members of the Chicago Outfit. There may have been a few that were incorrect but I imagine most of them were right.



No it wasn't a coincidence. The researcher I mentioned above said one time that the FBI actually released a list of 47 names of Outfit members to the local media back in the late 1990's. Since that time, about 20 Outfit members have died, leaving a number very close to what the feds have cited in recent years. If it makes some people feel better to believe the Outfit has 40, 50, 100 or whatever number, so be it, but it's pretty clear what the FBI has said.

kinda like how the non-italian guy that got indicted with sarno was the videopoker guy

a non-italian was the top videopoker guy not very long ago

Yeah, Szaflarski is, obviously, not all Italian, if Italian at all.

But it is entirely possible that he is the video poker guy without being made or really calling any shots.

Szaflarski is Italian. Not full but he is Italian

That list is probably a decent start

Take out Calabrese , Lombardo 's , Difronzo's, Mags , Basso , Marcello

Add in Vena , Sal C, Sarno , Spina plus another 5-7 made guys that we don't

Know about and you are in that 28-30 made range .

I think the FBI estimates are pretty much on point . Outside of the outfit members, kin and high level associates, the bureau probably has more accurate info than anyone else .

With a scaled down org of 30 members focused predominately on loan sharking , gambling, some union . some street tax and the phasing out of extreme violence , you are going to have a pretty secret but profitable organization .

Now it's not the mob we know or like to read about but for those 30 or so guys , they are making solid $ and with the phasing out of extreme violence you have guys not going to jail . Imo it's smart in today's age , just not sexy for followers as it looks like nothing is going on . This trend probably started much earlier than the FS trial as that trial shows how murder was phasing out in the 90s . offers

The one negative is with such a smaller organization , 1 big bust or crackdown could knock them down or even out for a long time ala what we saw in other families like KC , Tampa , Cleveland Lousiana , etc . . However one thing you are always going to have with the outfit is big sharking activities , with or without an umbrella organization, there will always be Italian men in chi town making boatloads of $ sharking ( the few banks are who make the real $, the others do ok )

First, it certainly helps that he's Frank Caruso's son in law. Second, while he was overseeing a substantial video poker operation, that doesn't make him part of the Outfit hierarchy.