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Re: JFK Killer [Re: Lou_Para] #750007
11/23/13 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted By: Lou_Para
Originally Posted By: Irishman12
Originally Posted By: Giancarlo
People like to say Oswald wasn't capable of doing the shooting but in 1956 Oswald scored 49 out 50 and 48 out of 50 at 200 yards and that was at rapid firing with a M1 Garand rifle. He was more then capable of doing the shooting in my opinion.

He scored lower in his final year in the Marines but at that point he didn't care and knew he was getting out of the service soon.

I believe the first shot was deflected by either a tree branch or maybe the traffic signal post or mast (whatever you call it), then the second shot was a straight line through JFK and hitting John Connally. Then the third shot was the money shot hitting JFK in the back of the head killing him. I believe all 3 shots were from above and behind and were fired from that window at the Texas School Book Depository.

Just my opinion on it....i could be wrong.


There's no way he could have done that shooting (or at least alone). The Zapruder film shows that the shooting only took 5.6 seconds (for all "3" shots). You try doing that with the recycling of that rifle that he had in 5.6 seconds. The FBI's sharpshooter's tried and couldn't match it. Not to mention the first shot would have been the best (since no one knew where he was) but with Kennedy the 3rd shot was the best. And finally, you really buy the magic bullet theory? That 1 bullet made 7 wounds on both Kennedy and Connally? No way!
Where on the Zapruder film do we see the evidence of when a third bullet was fired? The two shots we can see are A)JFK with his hands at his throat,and B)the head shot. Was the third bullet fired before the "throat shot" or after the head shot. If we don't know when a third bullet was fired,how can we establish a time frame for all three?
In my opinion it is more logical that Oswald missed the first shot. He is presumably nervous, and knows he has a limited amount of time. His first shot goes too high,missing the car entirely.He overcompensates with the second shot,goes too low,and hits JFK in the base of his neck. The third shot is just right,and hits JFK in the back of the head.


As you said, Oswald missed with the first shot. I forgot the exact frame number but before Kennedy is initially hit, he stops waving to the crowd due to hearing the first gun shot (which missed).

Also, what I forgot to mention about the Zupruder film is shots 2 and 3 are almost on top of each other in terms of the timing. Couldn't be done in the amount of time it took the Carcano to recycle.

Re: JFK Killer [Re: Irishman12] #750009
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Originally Posted By: Irishman12


Also, what I forgot to mention about the Zupruder film is shots 2 and 3 are almost on top of each other in terms of the timing. Couldn't be done in the amount of time it took the Carcano to recycle.


The Zupruder film has no audio. How can you tell timing with no sound?

Re: JFK Killer [Re: fergie] #750011
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Kennedy is struck both times, once in the throat and the other in the head.

Re: JFK Killer [Re: Irishman12] #750013
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Originally Posted By: Irishman12
Kennedy is struck both times, once in the throat and the other in the head.


There was about 5 to 6 seconds between each. Definitely possible.

JFK killing - A Final Word #750022
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To all the posters who got in on the JFK discussions,let me say thanks. I knew that because of the 50th anniversary we would probably see a lot of activity, vastly differing viewpoints,and some interesting perspectives.This was one of the most enjoyable experiences I've had since I joined this Forum.
As always,so many rose to the occasion and made for a great time.
Allow me to pass on two of the sources that I have made great use of in shaping my opinion of what happened on that momentous day.
For the record,I am a Lone Gunman advocate. I say that not to stir anything up,but to make an honest disclosure and provide some info that helped me to come to that conclusion.

First is http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
There is a lot of info on here and it will keep you busy for a while,but it's free,and is a great jumping off point.

Second is the book "Reclaiming History" by Vincent Bugliosi
This is a 1600 page book that documents the most exhaustive,well researched look into the assassination itself as well as a multitude of collateral topics,and discussions of alternate theories.
It was costly when it came out,but you can get it at pretty much any discount book source.
The bright side is if you feel it is complete BS,you can always hollow the book out and use it as a spare bedroom.(OK it's not THAT big,but it is fairly hefty).
I don't claim that either of these is the undeniable,chiseled in stone truth,but they certainly have a place in any serious inquiry,regardless of one's stance.
Anyway,I'll leave you with these two suggestions,and retire from any more posts on the assassination.
Once again,thanks to everyone for a great posting give-and-take.

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Re: JFK killing - A Final Word [Re: Lou_Para] #750032
11/23/13 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted By: Lou_Para


Second is the book "Reclaiming History" by Vincent Bugliosi
This is a 1600 page book that documents the most exhaustive,well researched look into the assassination itself as well as a multitude of collateral topics,and discussions of alternate theories.
It was costly when it came out,but you can get it at pretty much any discount book source.
The bright side is if you feel it is complete BS,you can always hollow the book out and use it as a spare bedroom.(OK it's not THAT big,but it is fairly hefty).
I don't claim that either of these is the undeniable,chiseled in stone truth,but they certainly have a place in any serious inquiry,regardless of one's stance.
Anyway,I'll leave you with these two suggestions,and retire from any more posts on the assassination.
Once again,thanks to everyone for a great posting give-and-take.

I second this recommendation. Bugliosi's work refutes all of the conspiracy theories. I also recommend Gerald Posner's Case Closed.


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Re: JFK killing - A Final Word [Re: olivant] #750053
11/24/13 05:13 AM
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Originally Posted By: olivant

I second this recommendation. Bugliosi's work refutes all of the conspiracy theories. I also recommend Gerald Posner's Case Closed.


I don´t mean to be a jerk but....I fully agree with this quote:

"The number of authors both pro and anti-conspiracy whose books upon scrutiny reveal inconsistencies puzzles me. The majority of these books have been pro-conspiracy and often sensational to boost sales. The writer will usually select testimony, recollections, interviews, evidence and research that supports his or her thesis. Un-named sources provide important clues. There is a tendency to cross cite each others work. Now we have Gerald Posner's Case Closed that unmasks some of the duplicity but unfortunately does so by using the same conventions."

http://dperry1943.com/closed.html

It´s a jungle out there with both pro conspiracy and anti conspiracy thesis books. I can´t help to think that some of these books may have been written based on misleading facts, deliberately planted, just to confuse the public/hide the truth. It´s sad that after 50 years of "debating", we still don´t know for sure why the president was killed and who did it.

RIP John Fitzgerald Kennedy

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Re: JFK Killer [Re: Giancarlo] #750082
11/24/13 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted By: Giancarlo
People like to say Oswald wasn't capable of doing the shooting but in 1956 Oswald scored 49 out 50 and 48 out of 50 at 200 yards and that was at rapid firing with a M1 Garand rifle. He was more then capable of doing the shooting in my opinion.

He scored lower in his final year in the Marines but at that point he didn't care and knew he was getting out of the service soon.

I believe the first shot was deflected by either a tree branch or maybe the traffic signal post or mast (whatever you call it), then the second shot was a straight line through JFK and hitting John Connally. Then the third shot was the money shot hitting JFK in the back of the head killing him. I believe all 3 shots were from above and behind and were fired from that window at the Texas School Book Depository.

Just my opinion on it....i could be wrong.


I never said he wasn't a capable shooter and he didn't shoot a M1 that day either.

No way he fired all those shots with a cheap bolt action rifle and score those head shots. Someone else was shooting as well.

Re: JFK Killer [Re: fergie] #750196
11/25/13 12:28 PM
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It was Professor Plum in the conservatory with a lead pipe.

Re: JFK Killer [Re: klydon1] #750260
11/25/13 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted By: klydon1
It was Professor Plum in the conservatory with a lead pipe.


Finally ... finally. A theory that makes sense.


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Re: JFK Killer [Re: olivant] #750266
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Originally Posted By: olivant
Originally Posted By: klydon1
It was Professor Plum in the conservatory with a lead pipe.


Finally ... finally. A theory that makes sense.
Are you saying that this theory is a "lead pipe cinch"?

Re: JFK Killer [Re: Lou_Para] #750342
11/26/13 02:37 PM
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It was Oliver Stone's father who had a quirky way of setting up his son to make a living.


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Re: JFK Killer [Re: Lou_Para] #750456
11/27/13 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted By: Lou_Para
Originally Posted By: olivant
Originally Posted By: klydon1
It was Professor Plum in the conservatory with a lead pipe.


Finally ... finally. A theory that makes sense.
Are you saying that this theory is a "lead pipe cinch"?


smile

And Mrs. Peacock used the candlestick in the library to "illuminate" the conspiracy of Colonel Mustard and Miss Scarlet using a rope in the kitchen to "tie up" a few vague facts linking the mob to kill Kennedy before the Cubans, FBI, LBJ, CIA and a careless secret service agent could kill him in the billiard room.

A book and movie in the form of a news program will follow.

Re: JFK killing - A Final Word [Re: Lou_Para] #751939
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Originally Posted By: Lou_Para
To all the posters who got in on the JFK discussions,let me say thanks. I knew that because of the 50th anniversary we would probably see a lot of activity, vastly differing viewpoints,and some interesting perspectives.This was one of the most enjoyable experiences I've had since I joined this Forum.
As always,so many rose to the occasion and made for a great time.
Allow me to pass on two of the sources that I have made great use of in shaping my opinion of what happened on that momentous day.
For the record,I am a Lone Gunman advocate. I say that not to stir anything up,but to make an honest disclosure and provide some info that helped me to come to that conclusion.

First is http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
There is a lot of info on here and it will keep you busy for a while,but it's free,and is a great jumping off point.

Second is the book "Reclaiming History" by Vincent Bugliosi
This is a 1600 page book that documents the most exhaustive,well researched look into the assassination itself as well as a multitude of collateral topics,and discussions of alternate theories.
It was costly when it came out,but you can get it at pretty much any discount book source.
The bright side is if you feel it is complete BS,you can always hollow the book out and use it as a spare bedroom.(OK it's not THAT big,but it is fairly hefty).
I don't claim that either of these is the undeniable,chiseled in stone truth,but they certainly have a place in any serious inquiry,regardless of one's stance.
Anyway,I'll leave you with these two suggestions,and retire from any more posts on the assassination.
Once again,thanks to everyone for a great posting give-and-take.


Another Final Word

http://www.ctka.net/reclaim.html


Colin Sullivan: "What Freud said about the Irish is: We're the only people who are impervious to psychoanalysis."

Cincotti said: "They don't have the scruples that we have." Zannino agreed. "You know how I knew they weren't Italiano? When they bombed the fucking house. We don't do that."
Re: JFK killing - A Final Word [Re: olivant] #751940
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Originally Posted By: olivant
Originally Posted By: Lou_Para


Second is the book "Reclaiming History" by Vincent Bugliosi
This is a 1600 page book that documents the most exhaustive,well researched look into the assassination itself as well as a multitude of collateral topics,and discussions of alternate theories.
It was costly when it came out,but you can get it at pretty much any discount book source.
The bright side is if you feel it is complete BS,you can always hollow the book out and use it as a spare bedroom.(OK it's not THAT big,but it is fairly hefty).
I don't claim that either of these is the undeniable,chiseled in stone truth,but they certainly have a place in any serious inquiry,regardless of one's stance.
Anyway,I'll leave you with these two suggestions,and retire from any more posts on the assassination.
Once again,thanks to everyone for a great posting give-and-take.

I second this recommendation. Bugliosi's work refutes all of the conspiracy theories. I also recommend Gerald Posner's Case Closed.


Posner is a known LIAR!

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/2010-04-01/...nd-many-others/


Colin Sullivan: "What Freud said about the Irish is: We're the only people who are impervious to psychoanalysis."

Cincotti said: "They don't have the scruples that we have." Zannino agreed. "You know how I knew they weren't Italiano? When they bombed the fucking house. We don't do that."
Re: JFK killing - A Final Word [Re: Bennie_The_Ball] #752614
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Why do all assassins use their middle names? John Wilkes Booth, Lee Harvey Oswald, James Earl Ray???


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Re: JFK killing - A Final Word [Re: dontomasso] #752635
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Originally Posted By: dontomasso
Why do all assassins use their middle names? John Wilkes Booth, Lee Harvey Oswald, James Earl Ray???


And Mark David Chapman.

It's a southern thing.

And Lynette Squeaky Fromme. grin

Re: JFK killing - A Final Word [Re: fergie] #754821
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EVIDENCE OF REVISION... mind blowing. It's available on youtube and internet archive.


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