I get that feeling as well nonos. Was drinking at a local place and people started talking about "local" guys and guys like Cecola (another connection I forgot owner of the admiral who is an associate) and I brought up some neighborhood names. One of the guys Immediatey said who do you know? Lol said I don't know anyone I'm simply a watcher. It made me think it's probably not the best idea to bring certain names up.

Speaking of Sam Cecola, his house is just unreal:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/03/sam-cecola-barrington-home_n_3541819.html

Cecola has been around a long time. Close associates of Billy Galioto, [....] and the late hustler Frank Panno. I believe he is actually cousins with Lumbo perhaps. He may even be made himself given how much money he is raking in.

Cecola owns the admiral strip joint on Lawrence?

Yes it's in the article.

Isn't cecola with Cicero though & not grand?

I always thought he was with Cicero. I remember him getting arrested in Houston a while back.

I've seen him on GAC lists, but I really wouldn't know. When I first saw that article in July I almost shit at how gorgeous that house was. Huron, he owns a strip club in Vegas too and was in the black book for a few years. I believe it was overturned though.


Anyone know Pascentes deal? I've seen him listed and I know he had a job working at VIPs....but I've also seen him yapping on YouTube for interviews about the Outfit so I would guess he's not too in the know.

The old owner of the admiral (his name escapes me right now) was murdered in 1985/1986. They found his body around Ashland and Webster st. He told his daughter he had to go meet someone and they found him in the trunk of his car. The feds raided the admiral and his address/meeting book was missing.
Found the link to the article, here it is.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1985-...ent-crimes-unit

Wow no idea Freddie Pascente was on YouTube, but boom there he is lol. The guy still lives in Melrose Park. Very strange.

Yeah the whole thing is weird. Talks about Spilotro and JB in them. I went to the author's website and its very vague what the purpose of the interviews were. Research for his crime fiction novel apparently?

How about Anthony Pellicano? I know he was mentioned in FS as being a collector for Lombardo.

Anybody have photos of the Outfit to share? Im new to Gangster BB.

Matt Luzi's great uncle was Frank LaPorte and I believe Matt live in the Chicago Heights for a little while

They are actually cool videos...good story about Chuckie Nicoletti. My relatives had always told me that despite the stories about him, he had a "sweetness" to him especially towards neighborhood kids.

Pellicano also grew up in the Grand Ave neighborhood. Sounds like he worked for Lombardo's crew early on, then did his own thing but I'm sure always stayed in touch.

I believe Anthony Pellicano is in jail or he may have gotten out recently. He was arrested for wire tapping celebrities phones and doing some other shadey dealings in hollywood. His name came up several times in the Family Secrets Trial.
Alva Rodgers testified that Pellicano ordered him to burn down a house for him. It turned out that Pellicano didn't have permission from the Outfit for the arson and Lombardo Yelled at Alva Rodgers for not getting the proper authorization.

Yeah he was involved in that Hollywood wiretap stuff, but I think he's out now.

I know that this has been debated endlessly, but I've seen people argue that power wasn't concentrated on Aiuppa in the 70s and early 80s and from everything I read it just doesn't seem that way. I don't think Cerone could say shit to him. Also think Accardo had a lot of sway, but I don't think he could straight up tell him what to do.

You're absolutely correct. Cicero was #1. Joey O overthrew Taylor St. Not saying that Elmwood didn't help & support him, but they also answered to him.

You get a lot of Elmwood Park/northside groupies posting on these online forums, for whatever reason. Hence the downplaying of Cicero's dominance. Combine that with the Roemer/Accardo butt buddy relationship nonsense, and that's how myths begin.

Cicero & Chinatown were always considered the rougher crews & always had more numbers. Just like Taylor St always had a heavier crew than Grand Ave.

Not to shit on Joe Batters or anything, his longevity was staggering. But the truth's the truth.

It seems to me that the Cicero crew and Grand Ave had some of the roughest guys in the outfit. Although the 26th st crew had Calabrese brothers and Ronnie Jarret who did a lot of rough stuff as far as killings go.
The evidence against Aiuppa in the Strawman case was pretty weak. Pretty much the same as they got Lombardo on in Family Secrets. The same with Cerone. All they had on Aiuppa was a wire tap of a mobster using Aiuppa's nickname and a handfull of informants with 2nd hand information.
I think the reason Aiuppa and Cerone lasted so long was they would kill anyone who they suspected of being a informant. DiFronzo definitly pulled back on the violent end of things compared to Aiuppa.

Seems like the scene in Casino is a perfect reflection of JO. "When the old man says maybe it's like a paper bull...not only should you get out...you should run"

@huronsocial

i find it hard to believe joey aiuppa ever gave accardo an order

not to mention accardo's crew is still standing or still somewhat around


@geek

the chicago heights crew was the most violent

they ain't around anymore because they killed each other

I didn't say accardo personally took orders from Joey O. They were equals. But Aiuppa's crew/family was superior to Elmwood Park. That really isn't debatable.

Who from accardo's crew is still active? The Elmwood park crew has been finished for years, while Aiuppa's Cicero descendants still run street rackets/actual Outfit affairs.

DiFronzi is still the boss avoiding to everyone.

And another way of looking at is is like all the smart ones have gradually fallen away, while the blue collar guys still keep tinkering on.

I think that's pretty evident from the Outfits history, actually.

Its interesting though considering Difronzo's history.

Difronzo isn't the boss of anything. No one in Cicero/Chinatown considers Johnny DiFronzo to be the boss of anything outside of the legitimate businesses his family owns. His guys can't even be considered Outfit gangsters anymore. Running legit businesses doesn't constitute Outfit activity, regardless of whether or not you think it's "smarter". The Cicero crime family is just that: A CRIME FAMILY. They aren't interested in becoming white collar types because they're....ya know....GANGSTERS.

Someone like DiFronzo wouldn't have even been in the running for boss 50 years ago.

OK, you say he isn't the boss. Nearly every other source says he is. I'll go with the CW on this one. As always, feel free to name your sources.

Regarding "smarter," there has been a general atrophy not only in the Outfit's scams since the glory days, but also sophistication.

Yes, I do think the "active" guys left are basically just remnants of something that at one time was impressive.

Go to the Family Secrets FBI file and read all of Marcello's transcripts. Look at the available evidence--the receipts, the locations of the old taverns that he had his machines in (most are gone now). It paints a picture of a few broken down old guys running around picking up a few hundred dollars there and a few hundred dollars here.

What exactly is he the boss of? The Elmwood Park crew was deactivated years ago. That was his crew.

@huronsocial


i thought the northside were deactivated in street crime rackets

That's What I typed

i'd find it hard to believe that they're not into whitecollar crimes

there are a lot of white collar scams that they could commit

I'm not saying they aren't. But that isn't La Cosa Nostra/Chicago Outfit stuff, it's something different entirely. That's what I'm saying. What Elmwood Park is doing isn't Outfit/gangster stuff.

A lot of these older guys are pulling back from there illegal activity. I think when DiFronzo went to prison briefly in 1994 but got out on appeal that scared him a little. DiFronzo has made enough money off of his legal businesses he doesn't need the headache of dealing with juiceloans and shaking down bookmakers. That's not to say people in the Elmwood park crew aren't doing there schemes but DiFronzo has removed himself from petty crimes. Guys like Marco D'Amico and Robert Abbinanti are still involved with bookmaking as are the Dote brothers.
Cicero is definitly the more aggresive crew on the streets.