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Chicago Outfit #746030
10/28/13 02:37 PM
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I work right by Mount Carmel cemetery and stopped out the other day. Would love to see more pics of Giancana....

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Re: Chicago Outfit [Re: mattsto] #746084
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Probably your best choice is to Google "Sam Giancana" and click on images. Most pictures of S. Giancana can be found on the images category of Google.

For articles about Giancana just hit the search button and click on the results.

Re: Chicago Outfit [Re: mattsto] #746122
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Am I the only person who thinks Giancana looks kinda nerdy? He doesn't look intimidating at all.

Re: Chicago Outfit [Re: mattsto] #746123
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That nerdyness probably worked in his favor. "haha look at that nerdy guy- BANG BANG..and your dead" At least thats what I think it would be like


"What are you cacklin' hens cluckin' about?!?!"

"Is that him?!? With the sombrero on?!?"


Re: Chicago Outfit [Re: mattsto] #746128
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I thought Sam's close ally, Dick Cain, had an intellectual image. Must have been the glasses.



You shit-kicking, stinky, horse-manure-smelling motherfucker you! If you ever get out of line over there again, I'll smash your fucking head so hard you won't be able to get that cowboy hat on. You hear me? Fucking hick. -Nicky (Casino)
Re: Chicago Outfit [Re: mattsto] #746130
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Mooney was the furthest thing from that. Monumental presence. And fucked some of the hottest, most high profile actresses & models of that era. Definitely wasn't Michael Spilotro in the looks department, but Phyllis McGuire & Monroe were madly in love with the man. Polarizing guy for sure. Also a ruthless egomaniac with a true love for the life. Gangsters worshipped the guy.

Re: Chicago Outfit [Re: HuronSocialAthletic] #746135
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He most definitely relished the spotlight. That was his demise in the end. Couldn't keep his yapper shut...

Re: Chicago Outfit [Re: mattsto] #746136
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I actually just started reading "The Mafia Princess" by his daughter Antoinette. Quite curious what she has to say and how much of it seems factual.

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He would've never taken a backseat to a couple of melvins (in his eyes) like aiuppa & cerone. Mooney's problem was his addiction to taking advantage ultra famous people & using them at his disposal. A dangerous game to play when you have as much to protect as he did. He had a different vision for the Outfit. An impossible vision.

Re: Chicago Outfit [Re: mattsto] #746143
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I still often wonder who actually did him in. Everything I read points to a welcomed visitor that he was actually cooking for. He was cooking sausage and peppers and due to heart problems, couldn't eat that. There was no forced entry either. I find it odd that the FBI which normally staked out his place 24 hours a day was conveniently not doing that on the day he was killed.

Re: Chicago Outfit [Re: mattsto] #746144
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Originally Posted By: mattsto
I still often wonder who actually did him in.


I think it was Tony "The Ant" Spilotro.


You shit-kicking, stinky, horse-manure-smelling motherfucker you! If you ever get out of line over there again, I'll smash your fucking head so hard you won't be able to get that cowboy hat on. You hear me? Fucking hick. -Nicky (Casino)
Re: Chicago Outfit [Re: LittleMan] #746145
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I don't think the authorities spent much time investigating the crime either. They got rid of a menace which in the end made there jobs easier.

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Re: Chicago Outfit [Re: LittleMan] #746147
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The most common theory I keep reading is that Dominic "Butch" Blasi was the person responsible for killing Sam Giancana. No one was ever charged. Blasi was one of Giancana's closet friends. If you read the FBI files, Giancana once offered to lend Blasi something like $120- 130,000 to purchase some land. Blasi turned him down because he said the IRS would be all over him about where he got the money. Who knows what eventually happened? Maybe they "worked something out." Two points here: 1. Giancana's willingness to help one of his men, and 2. Some of your best friends will "do you in."

Re: Chicago Outfit [Re: mattsto] #746152
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Giancana had gallbladder surgery in Texas ( Dr. Michael DeBakey) and probably could not eat spicy foods. He most likely had heart problems as well. These guys didn't take good care of themselves.

The most common theory that I've heard is Butch Blasi did the "dirty deed." Who knows for sure?" I do find it interesting that the law enforcement detail that was assigned to provide protection was recalled shortly before Giancana was murdered. Very odd to say the least.

Congressmen Frank Church and John Tower promised a full investigation into the death of Sam Giancana, but it never happened. Local authorities had trouble deciding who would take charge of the investigation. Long story short, not much of an investigation period.

I'll see if i can find some old newspaper articles about Giancana's murder.

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Re: Chicago Outfit [Re: GaryMartin] #746162
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Originally Posted By: GaryMartin
Giancana had gallbladder surgery in Texas ( Dr. Michael DeBakey) and probably could not eat spicy foods. He most likely had heart problems as well. These guys didn't take good care of themselves.


Good point. In addition to a ban on spicy foods, Sam probably had doctor's orders for eliminating fatty meats, cheese, and smoking, also. Like many hedonistic mobsters, Sam probably ignored the doctor. So, I can imagine Giancana cooking up the late night snack for himself.


You shit-kicking, stinky, horse-manure-smelling motherfucker you! If you ever get out of line over there again, I'll smash your fucking head so hard you won't be able to get that cowboy hat on. You hear me? Fucking hick. -Nicky (Casino)
Re: Chicago Outfit [Re: LittleMan] #746166
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Absolutely. He checked himself out of the hospital in Houston w/o the doctor's approval. He was one tough cookie!

Here's another short summary of Giancana's murder. Not much in this that hasn't been reported numerous times.

I'll keep looking.

http://www.ganglandchicagohistory.com/2010/06/history-stub-35-years-ago-murder-of-sam.html

Re: Chicago Outfit [Re: mattsto] #746167
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Here's a fairly good article from 1975.

Sorry, this article won't open. I'll keep trying

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1314&dat=19750621&id=3ztOAAAAIBAJ&sjid=Le0DAAAAIBAJ&pg=5271,1807055http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1314&dat=19750621&id=3ztOAAAAIBAJ&sjid=Le0DAAAAIBAJ&pg=5271,1807055

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Re: Chicago Outfit [Re: mattsto] #746188
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Has anyone read of any promotions with the ranks after Giancana was waxed? Just curious if guys like Spilotro or Blasi received an increased responsibility....

Re: Chicago Outfit [Re: GaryMartin] #746190
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Originally Posted By: GaryMartin
Here's a fairly good article from 1975.

Sorry, this article won't open. I'll keep trying

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1314&dat=19750621&id=3ztOAAAAIBAJ&sjid=Le0DAAAAIBAJ&pg=5271,1807055http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1314&dat=19750621&id=3ztOAAAAIBAJ&sjid=Le0DAAAAIBAJ&pg=5271,1807055


Thanks for these articles. If anyone wants to read this just paste it into your adress bar.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1314&dat=19750621&id=3ztOAAAAIBAJ&sjid=Le0DAAAAIBAJ&pg=5271,1807055

Re: Chicago Outfit [Re: LittleMan] #746217
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Originally Posted By: LittleMan
I thought Sam's close ally, Dick Cain, had an intellectual image. Must have been the glasses.


I have a book on Cain by his brother; I have just skimmed it. From what I've read he was a very interesting person but probably most of what is said about him is speculation and rumor, in terms of him gaming the CIA/JFK etc.

Anyway, he was very smart, he had an IQ of 120, which is very, very bright, but not the genius he liked to tell people he was.

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Johnny - I've read several articles about Cain and his ability to play both sides of the fence. I was not aware that he was really smart. I would think that someone with his intelligence might want to think twice about doing "double duty" with The Outfit.

Most of the articles I read were related to Family Secrets. Another name that surfaced, and was supposedly very smart, was Donald Angelini. According to several FBI agents he was also a really nice guy. A couple of the agents said they hated to arrest him because he was so nice. If I remember correctly, he and another fellow named Cortina were gambling experts. Only read a little about the guys.

When I get bored I go back and read more about Family Secrets. I always learn something new.

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Here's another one about Giancana.

You'll have to copy and paste.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1314&dat=19750621&id=3ztOAAAAIBAJ&sjid=Le0DAAAAIBAJ&pg=5271,1807055

Re: Chicago Outfit [Re: GaryMartin] #746233
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Originally Posted By: GaryMartin
Here's another one about Giancana.

You'll have to copy and paste.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1314&dat=19750621&id=3ztOAAAAIBAJ&sjid=Le0DAAAAIBAJ&pg=5271,1807055


That's the same one Gary.

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Originally Posted By: GaryMartin
Johnny - I've read several articles about Cain and his ability to play both sides of the fence. I was not aware that he was really smart. I would think that someone with his intelligence might want to think twice about doing "double duty" with The Outfit.

Most of the articles I read were related to Family Secrets. Another name that surfaced, and was supposedly very smart, was Donald Angelini. According to several FBI agents he was also a really nice guy. A couple of the agents said they hated to arrest him because he was so nice. If I remember correctly, he and another fellow named Cortina were gambling experts. Only read a little about the guys.

When I get bored I go back and read more about Family Secrets. I always learn something new.


His brother wrote this book called The Tangled Web. Someone gave it to me. I am not interested enough to read the whole thing. But, yeah, I do remember that bit about his IQ being tested at 120. That's well above average and probably enough to get one into MENSA or something like that but I guess he went around telling everyone he was a genius, and that is not nearly "genius."

Anyway, yeah, he wasn't smart enough not to end up getting blasted at Rose's Sandwich Shop.

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Originally Posted By: jonnynonos
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Johnny - I've read several articles about Cain and his ability to play both sides of the fence. I was not aware that he was really smart. I would think that someone with his intelligence might want to think twice about doing "double duty" with The Outfit.

Most of the articles I read were related to Family Secrets. Another name that surfaced, and was supposedly very smart, was Donald Angelini. According to several FBI agents he was also a really nice guy. A couple of the agents said they hated to arrest him because he was so nice. If I remember correctly, he and another fellow named Cortina were gambling experts. Only read a little about the guys.

When I get bored I go back and read more about Family Secrets. I always learn something new.


His brother wrote this book called The Tangled Web. Someone gave it to me. I am not interested enough to read the whole thing. But, yeah, I do remember that bit about his IQ being tested at 120. That's well above average and probably enough to get one into MENSA or something like that but I guess he went around telling everyone he was a genius, and that is not nearly "genius."

Anyway, yeah, he wasn't smart enough not to end up getting blasted at Rose's Sandwich Shop.


I have read that the killers of Cain apparantly wore one black glove and one white glove. Any thoughts of why the did that? Any symbolism in that? Or is that a bullshit story?


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Originally Posted By: GaryMartin
Johnny - I've read several articles about Cain and his ability to play both sides of the fence. I was not aware that he was really smart. I would think that someone with his intelligence might want to think twice about doing "double duty" with The Outfit.

Most of the articles I read were related to Family Secrets. Another name that surfaced, and was supposedly very smart, was Donald Angelini. According to several FBI agents he was also a really nice guy. A couple of the agents said they hated to arrest him because he was so nice. If I remember correctly, he and another fellow named Cortina were gambling experts. Only read a little about the guys.

When I get bored I go back and read more about Family Secrets. I always learn something new.


His brother wrote this book called The Tangled Web. Someone gave it to me. I am not interested enough to read the whole thing. But, yeah, I do remember that bit about his IQ being tested at 120. That's well above average and probably enough to get one into MENSA or something like that but I guess he went around telling everyone he was a genius, and that is not nearly "genius."

Anyway, yeah, he wasn't smart enough not to end up getting blasted at Rose's Sandwich Shop.


I have read that the killers of Cain apparantly wore one black glove and one white glove. Any thoughts of why the did that? Any symbolism in that? Or is that a bullshit story?


Never heard that. It's one of those crimes where everyone from Aleman to Lombardo to Shweihs has been fingered. (Who knows, it could have been all of them.)

From what I remember 2 guys broke into Rose's Sandwich Shop on near Grand and made everyone in the place line up against the wall, pretending it was a robbery. They were wearing ski masks.

They blew Cain away and left.

I can't remember the theories as to exactly why. I'll probably get around to reading that book some day.

That shop is now another business; I often wonder if the owners know what happened there.

It was near the near Spilotro's dad's restaurant on Grand and Ogden.

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He could have very well been cooking for himself. My wife had her gall bladder taken out and she can still eat anything she wants with no problems. It is just different for different people. I imagine as much sausage and peppers he eat over the years his body could take it.

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Sorry about the double post. I'm playing around too much

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Yeah, I know what you're saying. My wife had her gall bladder taken out a year ago and she has no problem eating anything. I based what I said on the large number of stories which related his cooking may have been for a friend since he had gall bladder surgery. No way to know for sure.




Originally Posted By: dixiemafia
He could have very well been cooking for himself. My wife had her gall bladder taken out and she can still eat anything she wants with no problems. It is just different for different people. I imagine as much sausage and peppers he eat over the years his body could take it.

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