I am new here and Organized Crime and Gangs have always been interests of mine to study. I am currently studying Anthropology at University.
I am curious now about who exactly is eligible for membership in the Aryan Brotherhood prison gang in the USA? I read online that one of the current leaders Tyler Davis Bingham is apparently part Jewish. Is that correct? I am not racist or anything I just found it a bit surprising that a leader of a White prison gang like this may be part Jewish. I always watched the Aryan Brotherhood documentary by National Geographic and they said the same thing. So my question basically then is are Jews allowed to join the Aryan Brotherhood?
Welcome to the board Big_J_86. The A.B nowadays seem to allow a few Jews but not many depending on location. It's quite odd indeed that a Jew would even want to be a member. Also I can't recall where I read it, there was even a Native was a member somewhere. AB is mainly focus on monetary gains.
If you think you are too small to make a difference, you haven't spend the night with a mosquito. - African Proverb
when the aryan brotherhood first started it was so that caucasion inmates could stick together during a time when there was alot of racial problems both in prison and on the streets. I dont think that the people that originally formed it were really into white supremacism they just wanted a fearsome image and also they probably had generally racist attitudes. They do recruit from neo nazi gangs just because those are one of the groups of white people including bikers that will end up in prison with them.
Welcome to the board Big_J_86. The A.B nowadays seem to allow a few Jews but not many depending on location. It's quite odd indeed that a Jew would even want to be a member. Also I can't recall where I read it, there was even a Native was a member somewhere. AB is mainly focus on monetary gains.
Thank you for the warm welcome and answer to my question! ...I agree that it would be quite odd for a Jew to want to be a member of the A.B. but I suppose it is about survival in many circumstances. At least initially anyways. Yes you are correct that at one point there was a member who was part Native American. His name is Michael Thompson. He was a very high ranking member at one point but later defected because he did not agree with some policies such as killing family member's of individuals they could not get to themselves. He is now on the A.B.'s hit list and lives in PC.
when the aryan brotherhood first started it was so that caucasion inmates could stick together during a time when there was alot of racial problems both in prison and on the streets. I dont think that the people that originally formed it were really into white supremacism they just wanted a fearsome image and also they probably had generally racist attitudes. They do recruit from neo nazi gangs just because those are one of the groups of white people including bikers that will end up in prison with them.
Right what you say makes sense from what I have read about them before. Now I never plan or want to go to prison and like I said I am not racist but this next question is from a purely anthropological/sociological perspective. I am 25% Italian (Calabria region), 25% Finnish and 50% Irish/British by known ancestry. Funnily enough though I have had many people say I could pass easily as a Jew from the way I look. Based on this though say if I ever wound up in prison would I be able to join the A.B. based on my background?
Speaking hypothetical it depends on where you live, loyalty, and money. As long as your white period. I say location because then it may not be any AB in that pen.
If you think you are too small to make a difference, you haven't spend the night with a mosquito. - African Proverb
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The AB in California state prisons is quite different from the AB in federal prisons. The Cali AB is more often tied up in racial beefs though not as much as in it's earlier days because it's bad for business, and they often rely on the southern Mexicans for their heroin. The federal Aryan Brotherhood is a lot less involved in racial issues, they'r main concern above all is making money. This is according to John Greschner an AB turncoat
Speaking hypothetical it depends on where you live, loyalty, and money. As long as your white period. I say location because then it may not be any AB in that pen.
So say I wound up in the pen in say California based on my ethnic background being 25% Italian, 25% Finnish and 50% Irish/British Isles I would be able to join the AB if I was loyal? Sorry if it sounds like I am repeating myself I am just interested in looking at this from an anthropological/sociological perspective.
When I was in prison, I met a Russian guy who was deported from US to Latvia and was here awaiting trial on his charge. There in prison he was in the Aryan Brotherhood. He said the AB there is really respected, showed off his tattoos to me. Told me a lot of stuff, like the Gotti thing and Russian in America.
The AB in California state prisons is quite different from the AB in federal prisons. The Cali AB is more often tied up in racial beefs though not as much as in it's earlier days because it's bad for business, and they often rely on the southern Mexicans for their heroin. The federal Aryan Brotherhood is a lot less involved in racial issues, they'r main concern above all is making money. This is according to John Greschner an AB turncoat
That is quite interesting and actually makes sense.
When I was in prison, I met a Russian guy who was deported from US to Latvia and was here awaiting trial on his charge. There in prison he was in the Aryan Brotherhood. He said the AB there is really respected, showed off his tattoos to me. Told me a lot of stuff, like the Gotti thing and Russian in America.
That is also interesting. Yes I know that when Gotti was assaulted by a Black inmate he went to the AB to help him get revenge. It never went through though apparently. Which prison was the Russian guy in when he was in the US do you know?
Most join in prison to have protection. Prison inmates are all divided by race, on thier own accord. Some of the White inmates who join the Aryan Nation have no true ideological feelings on the group, but will go along while locked up. As soon as they are out they forget about it. Others get totally caught up in it and turn it into a lifestyle. It is more of a Southwest American gang then elsewhere in The United States. New York State prisons have almost no members of Aryan Brotherhood, not openly.
When I was in prison, I met a Russian guy who was deported from US to Latvia and was here awaiting trial on his charge. There in prison he was in the Aryan Brotherhood. He said the AB there is really respected, showed off his tattoos to me. Told me a lot of stuff, like the Gotti thing and Russian in America.
That is also interesting. Yes I know that when Gotti was assaulted by a Black inmate he went to the AB to help him get revenge. It never went through though apparently. Which prison was the Russian guy in when he was in the US do you know?
I know he was in a maximum security prison and he was from Boston, which one specifically he did time in didn't tell.
He told that Gotti was paying to the AB for protection while he was in prison, but then other CosaNostra prisoners convinced him to stop paying. So he stopped paying, and the AB in that prison got a black guy to beat Gotti up. To show how much they can humiliate him, with not sending a white guy to deal with him, but a black guy instead.
He told a lot about the ideology about the AB in prison, and for a surprise, he stated that he doesn't hate all blacks. But just the ones that are in the prison there from the opposing groups. As he described there's two groups of black people, the normal ones and the "apes".
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Originally Posted By: Big_J_86
Originally Posted By: southend
The AB in California state prisons is quite different from the AB in federal prisons. The Cali AB is more often tied up in racial beefs though not as much as in it's earlier days because it's bad for business, and they often rely on the southern Mexicans for their heroin. The federal Aryan Brotherhood is a lot less involved in racial issues, they'r main concern above all is making money. This is according to John Greschner an AB turncoat
That is quite interesting and actually makes sense.
For sure. Another AB dropout on one of the documentaries named Casper said the Aryan Brotherhood in the California state system is more like the Heroin Brotherhood these days
not to bring up a non issue, but was watching the sopranos on dvd yest and big puss says, "theese news guys ,their all on drugs or scared of the can", being from the boston area, i can confirm that most of of young ones are junkie first, gangster second
Most join in prison to have protection. Prison inmates are all divided by race, on thier own accord. Some of the White inmates who join the Aryan Nation have no true ideological feelings on the group, but will go along while locked up. As soon as they are out they forget about it. Others get totally caught up in it and turn it into a lifestyle. It is more of a Southwest American gang then elsewhere in The United States. New York State prisons have almost no members of Aryan Brotherhood, not openly.
Really eh I did not know that. I knew that the AB started out in Cali but I thought it had spread by now to most major US states.
When I was in prison, I met a Russian guy who was deported from US to Latvia and was here awaiting trial on his charge. There in prison he was in the Aryan Brotherhood. He said the AB there is really respected, showed off his tattoos to me. Told me a lot of stuff, like the Gotti thing and Russian in America.
That is also interesting. Yes I know that when Gotti was assaulted by a Black inmate he went to the AB to help him get revenge. It never went through though apparently. Which prison was the Russian guy in when he was in the US do you know?
I know he was in a maximum security prison and he was from Boston, which one specifically he did time in didn't tell.
He told that Gotti was paying to the AB for protection while he was in prison, but then other CosaNostra prisoners convinced him to stop paying. So he stopped paying, and the AB in that prison got a black guy to beat Gotti up. To show how much they can humiliate him, with not sending a white guy to deal with him, but a black guy instead.
He told a lot about the ideology about the AB in prison, and for a surprise, he stated that he doesn't hate all blacks. But just the ones that are in the prison there from the opposing groups. As he described there's two groups of black people, the normal ones and the "apes".
Wow okay that actually makes sense. Anything to make some cash for these guys of course lol.
The AB in California state prisons is quite different from the AB in federal prisons. The Cali AB is more often tied up in racial beefs though not as much as in it's earlier days because it's bad for business, and they often rely on the southern Mexicans for their heroin. The federal Aryan Brotherhood is a lot less involved in racial issues, they'r main concern above all is making money. This is according to John Greschner an AB turncoat
That is quite interesting and actually makes sense.
For sure. Another AB dropout on one of the documentaries named Casper said the Aryan Brotherhood in the California state system is more like the Heroin Brotherhood these days
heres some random aryan brotherhood stories from across the country. Like most other gangs they get into alot of random shit. But i dont know how true it is that they necessarily stay with the AB on the outside. Unlike other gangs white guys dont go to jail as gangmembers before as much as other ethnicities, their ties to the AB are probably mostly for protection.
Thanks for the links there Scorsese. I will check em out for sure. I am just finishing up watching a documentary on San Quentin right now. An old AB hot bed as we all know.
There are many AB members with partial ancestry, some are part jewish, native american, hispanic, mediteraen.... and bingham has a tattoo of the star of david on his arm. I know many of the original members were irish bikers from northern california, but its a huge thing now.... here in MA most of them get shamrock tattoo's under there eyes or between there thumb and index finger( only the AB can sport shamrock tattoos fro the most part). Dont think the california AB and federal AB reconize other state AB factions as being authentic. the aryan brotherhood of texas is a totally seperate orginazation as well. And yes the Cali AB and FED AB, both get thier herion and cociane from the mexican mafia there allies in prison and the drug trade.
And to answer your questions, if you get locked up and are white you do not have to jion a skinhead gang or any gang for that matter( some find it easier) just have to link up with a few guys, youll probally stick to your own race but dont have to be a member. depends what type of person you are there probally be people in thier you know form the streets.
and if your eager to jion all you have to be is a seasoned criminal with partial white/caucasian heritage, willing to make money and commit violence, and have other white guys backs.
what happened in MA and new england was that guys would get back from doing a federal bid and have joned the AB while in federal system, then they pick up state charges and recruit guys in state prisons...
There are many AB members with partial ancestry, some are part jewish, native american, hispanic, mediteraen.... and bingham has a tattoo of the star of david on his arm. I know many of the original members were irish bikers from northern california, but its a huge thing now.... here in MA most of them get shamrock tattoo's under there eyes or between there thumb and index finger( only the AB can sport shamrock tattoos fro the most part). Dont think the california AB and federal AB reconize other state AB factions as being authentic. the aryan brotherhood of texas is a totally seperate orginazation as well. And yes the Cali AB and FED AB, both get thier herion and cociane from the mexican mafia there allies in prison and the drug trade.
And to answer your questions, if you get locked up and are white you do not have to jion a skinhead gang or any gang for that matter( some find it easier) just have to link up with a few guys, youll probally stick to your own race but dont have to be a member. depends what type of person you are there probally be people in thier you know form the streets.
and if your eager to jion all you have to be is a seasoned criminal with partial white/caucasian heritage, willing to make money and commit violence, and have other white guys backs.
Well given the fact that I am 25% Italian, 25% Finnish and 50% Irish/British Isles by known ancestry I would obviously be able to join the AB right?
You could probably be half black and get in as long as its not obvious. These guys are mostly drug addicts, i doubt they are gonna have your dna tested in some laboratory.
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Originally Posted By: Big_J_86
Originally Posted By: lic
There are many AB members with partial ancestry, some are part jewish, native american, hispanic, mediteraen.... and bingham has a tattoo of the star of david on his arm. I know many of the original members were irish bikers from northern california, but its a huge thing now.... here in MA most of them get shamrock tattoo's under there eyes or between there thumb and index finger( only the AB can sport shamrock tattoos fro the most part). Dont think the california AB and federal AB reconize other state AB factions as being authentic. the aryan brotherhood of texas is a totally seperate orginazation as well. And yes the Cali AB and FED AB, both get thier herion and cociane from the mexican mafia there allies in prison and the drug trade.
And to answer your questions, if you get locked up and are white you do not have to jion a skinhead gang or any gang for that matter( some find it easier) just have to link up with a few guys, youll probally stick to your own race but dont have to be a member. depends what type of person you are there probally be people in thier you know form the streets.
and if your eager to jion all you have to be is a seasoned criminal with partial white/caucasian heritage, willing to make money and commit violence, and have other white guys backs.
Well given the fact that I am 25% Italian, 25% Finnish and 50% Irish/British Isles by known ancestry I would obviously be able to join the AB right?
No, they dont like people whose ancestors come from finland. They take it as a sign of disrespect.
"Let me tell you something. There's no nobility in poverty. I've been a poor man, and I've been a rich man. And I choose rich every fucking time."
There are many AB members with partial ancestry, some are part jewish, native american, hispanic, mediteraen.... and bingham has a tattoo of the star of david on his arm. I know many of the original members were irish bikers from northern california, but its a huge thing now.... here in MA most of them get shamrock tattoo's under there eyes or between there thumb and index finger( only the AB can sport shamrock tattoos fro the most part). Dont think the california AB and federal AB reconize other state AB factions as being authentic. the aryan brotherhood of texas is a totally seperate orginazation as well. And yes the Cali AB and FED AB, both get thier herion and cociane from the mexican mafia there allies in prison and the drug trade.
And to answer your questions, if you get locked up and are white you do not have to jion a skinhead gang or any gang for that matter( some find it easier) just have to link up with a few guys, youll probally stick to your own race but dont have to be a member. depends what type of person you are there probally be people in thier you know form the streets.
and if your eager to jion all you have to be is a seasoned criminal with partial white/caucasian heritage, willing to make money and commit violence, and have other white guys backs.
Well given the fact that I am 25% Italian, 25% Finnish and 50% Irish/British Isles by known ancestry I would obviously be able to join the AB right?
No, they dont like people whose ancestors come from finland. They take it as a sign of disrespect.
I remember that guy - I believe his reason for dropping out was because they (the AB leadership) were planning to hit someone's family and he was against it if my memory serves me right.
I'm really not surprised they (his family) outed him as a liar and a POS. After all, that's what criminals are.
On an unrelated note - it's funny how Michael Thompson who was also a certified killer and a high ranking AB member got out, but Rene Enriquez from MM is being denied parole again and again. Who knows what Rene would be up to if he got out - but he dropped out 20 years ago and has been helping the FBI and LAPD for decades. Interested story in his book too.
I remember that guy - I believe his reason for dropping out was because they (the AB leadership) were planning to hit someone's family and he was against it if my memory serves me right.
I'm really not surprised they (his family) outed him as a liar and a POS. After all, that's what criminals are.
On an unrelated note - it's funny how Michael Thompson who was also a certified killer and a high ranking AB member got out, but Rene Enriquez from MM is being denied parole again and again. Who knows what Rene would be up to if he got out - but he dropped out 20 years ago and has been helping the FBI and LAPD for decades. Interested story in his book too.
In the case of Enriquez the family of one of victims,an alleged drug dealer killed with an letal dose of heroin,are pushing for keep him in prison and the government dont have a reason for free him even after what he Enriquez did for help the LE. Its the same shit: he dont really left the crime etc
I remember that guy - I believe his reason for dropping out was because they (the AB leadership) were planning to hit someone's family and he was against it if my memory serves me right.
I'm really not surprised they (his family) outed him as a liar and a POS. After all, that's what criminals are.
On an unrelated note - it's funny how Michael Thompson who was also a certified killer and a high ranking AB member got out, but Rene Enriquez from MM is being denied parole again and again. Who knows what Rene would be up to if he got out - but he dropped out 20 years ago and has been helping the FBI and LAPD for decades. Interested story in his book too.
I think it was a guy refused to have his girl smuggle drugs in so they ordered and carried out a hit on his father. Who knows the real reason though, he so absurdly full of shit. He's the richard kuklinski of the AB.
If you ever have time watch the podcasts that follow this. Claims he was shot 20 times in prison. One incident was 5 shotgun rounds at point blank. I don't know if he's claiming 5 bbs from a shell or what, but his lies are astounding.
Another thing is when he claims he's Indian and goes into any of that I laugh at how the oohs and aahhhs are just automatic and to question something related to Indian anything is just so off limits to most people. Most people don't know anything about actual history, though.
AB Texas is its own thing I think on the state prison levels and they are organized outside of prison. There was that huge Rico case about 8-10 years ago
In the real life is like The Shot Caller movie,if you have a long sentence and dont want to be raped or killed you must pay the gang that control the prison for protection,if you dont have money you must do anything for survive:smuggle drug in the abuso and so on. The AB criteria is to be white and that stop. AB members was arrested selling dope with black gang members. Their believe is to make money,the other things dont count.
So how do I know I'm protected if I decided to join the AB in Prison?
Is it guaranteed that someone will have your back if say a black was to jump you and try to kill you?
Can't a guy just be cool with everyone and respect others while keeping to themselves? Are people really going to harass you in prison if you don't want to be bothered and don't have any intention disrespecting anyone? Are guys in prison really gonna waste their time with a guy who say was in there for a crime that wasn't something that would piss them off such as a racial killing or something like that?
Say I go in prison and all I want to do is sit in my cell and read books and workout in the yard. I never say a word to anyone. Are people really gonna come after me?
