Bingo, 100% bingo. The Guy is definitely The Don/elmwoodparker. Gotta be pretty damaged to create bogus aliases like that.

You guys are way out there on this one. The Don/Elmwood Parker was way, way more of a mob fanboy than Chicago.

I used to argue about the state of he Outfit with the Don on ANP saying what people like Chicago, myself and Ivy say now and the Don was always arguing that it was still strong etc.

I would be shocked if it was the same person.

Yeah, shocked....right. They type in the exact same way, have the same obnoxious mannerisms, and contribute the same facts. They even use some of the same sayings.

It's obvious he realized the "lombardi's nephew" (which could be true) schtick wouldn't work here, and neither would arguing with "protected" users a la you & ivy league, so he created a much more prestigious background for himself & started playing nice. Wouldn't surprise me in the least. ChiTown did a nice little job of exposing him.

ElmwoodParker started a thread last week, that was quickly deleted, saying how much he agreed with Chicago on the state of the Outfit now. I don't know if they're the same....I think Huron is right though...his manner of posting seems very similar to The Don's.

That account wasn't deactivated, he just doesn't use it anymore.

Lol really, he started a thread agreeing with himself? Cmon guys. The Don disappears & this new fella appears almost instantaneously, using the same loud typing style & sharing the same views?

Chuckie English never had a son. ChiTown is exactly right about that. And the idea that he begat a heretofore unknown bastard son who now defends his late father's honor on a mafia Web forum is absurd. The person who posted as "the Don" on American News Post left more than enough clues as to his actual identity in Fosco's threads. He made a lot of Beatles references and bragged about how he knows lots of people in Last Vegas. That should tell you something. If it isn't obvious that this Chicago poster is "the Don" from ANP, you're hopeless.

Whoever Chicago is, what he's been saying under that handle is correct when it comes to the Outfit. Much more so than what certain other people have been saying. And, for the record, I'm not "in bed" with anyone. I go by the demonstrable facts. Period.

No offense, but the only reason you white Knight for him is because he doesn't bully you/clown on you the way he did under the elmwoodparker moniker. We both know that's the truth.

I'm not "white knighting" for him. I simply support what he's been saying about the general state of the Outfit nowadays because it coincides with the known facts. No more, no less. And elmwood parker never bullied or clowned me, Mr. Revisionist History. I've proven wrong so many Outfit fan boys I've lost count.

This is pretty hilarious. I have been reading the posts by chicago closely since he started posting and watching guys on this forum eat them up. At first I thought he was the real deal but then the posts became so redundant and I thought fuck if this is all chuckie english son has to offer is 200 posts saying difronzo and some guys from elwood park retired. (which imo is plausible)Then the constant attacks on fosco like he had a serious axe to grind made me wonder if there wasn't something fishy about him. Then come to find out chuckie english doesn't have a son and all the guy says is he could have had a child out of wedlock or some shit ?? This is really too funny.... But the best is ivy/wiseguy who can sniff out and discredit any fanboy wanna be gangster within 10,000 miles of utah is all over his nuts like hes the second coming of chin gigantes cock. Old shoot down the fan boy wiseguy doesn't question chicagos credibility because he agrees with him and tells everyone how smart and on the ball old ivy is. fucking classic !! made my day guys, thanks for the laugh !!

I've been called a fan boy by this fuck head
And that was because I said the Chicago mob had 40 members and he said 30

Ah, sam22. Always has to weigh in, whenever the Outfit is involved. Comes out of under his rock, takes a few shots, and then runs a way. Same ol' sam. Like I said before, it doesn't matter to me who Chicago is. It's never been about that. I simply support what he's been saying about the over all state of the modern day Outfit because it's true. Much more so what you and certain others are these boards wish were the case.



Uh...no, I called you a fan boy (the #1 fan boy on these forums) because you flat out admire and root for the mob. You've basically admitted to it in the past.

I'm the a fan boy and the number 1 for that matter
Are you out of your fucking mind

No, I don't believe so. I've read your posts for years, louie. While there's certainly been plenty of mob fan boys on the boards, especially from Chicago, nobody admires and roots for these guys like you do.

Obituary from the Chicago Tribune, Feb 16, 1985:

ENGLISH
Charles C. English, suddenly, beloved husband of Laura, nee Gullo; father of Chickie (Thomas)Santora; grandfather of Chuck (Laura) Santora; brother of Joseph (Elizabeth), Grace (late Carl) Urbinati, the late Sam (Mary), and the late Josephine (late Harry) DePhillips; beloved uncle of many nieces and nephews. Service Monday 10 a.m. at Salerno's Galewood Chapels, John Rago Sons directing, 1857 N. Harlem Ave. Entombment Queen of Heaven Mausoleum. Kindly omit flowers. Visitation 4 - 9:30 pm, Sunday 2-9:30 pm.

So people are getting exposed here now? Someone sure has a lot of time on their hands. I hope Chicago doesn't retreat like Difronzo and Lombardo. I actually liked this recent uptick on outfit history.

Who was Black Angelo from the old ANP? He and The Don had some good back and forth's.

ANP had a few good and interesting posters. Beside the Don (Elmwood Parker) I don't know if any of the others posted here (beside myself). Chicago is not Elmwood Parker. I thought he might have been a poster on ANP who called himself Grand Avenue, but he said he never posted there. As for him being the illegitimate son of Chuck English, it can't be ruled out. Joe Fosco is the illegitimate son of Armando Fosco, and there are plenty of other children of mobsters and their girlfriends. Even Sam Giancana may have had a child out of wedlock.

AGREED. ..+1...

it's the Don. Let it go, God damn lol.

He's not the Don. Go back and read the Don's comments. I'll give you one example, the Don argued that Elmwood Park wasn't deactivated, one of Chicago's main points is that they are.

That Chicago uses the same unique, corny phrases as the Don when referring to the Taylor Street crew is obvious ("the Beatles of organized crime"). The Don also mentioned that he knew people associated with the Mob Experience in Last Vegas, like Vincent Spilotro and, to a lesser extent, Meyer Lansky's grandson. Here on Gangster BB, he named-dropped Meyer Lansky's grandson, Meyer Lansky II. For the love of god, I know who the Don is in real life (where he lives and what he does for a living, based in what part of the country), and he knows me. If I outted him here, he would probably harass and threaten me like he did to Joe Fosco. I'm telling you, Chicago is the Don, no question about it. He is taking contrary positions here to mask the fact that he is ElmwoodParker and ingratiate himself with particular users.

I would not be suprised if the moderators notice a dramatic range in IP addresses associated with Chicago's posts because he travels all over the place for "work."

I could be wrong but they do not have a similar writing style to me. The Don was much more bombastic and actually seemed to have a greater facility with particular years; he was always mentioning how this had happened in 1972 or this other thing happened in 68; you don't see that with Chicago.

Further the Don was a much, much greater enthusaist of the Outfit than Chicago; the Don could barely mask his enthusiasm for the organization as a whole and could only be described as giddy about Taylor Street.

Chicago is much more reserved and is obviously far less a fan.

Just my two cents. Again, I could be wrong, but if someone asked me if they were the same person based on their posts, my answer would be absolutely not.

So Chicago, the Don, Elmwood Parker, are the same person? And he is indeed not this Chuckie English son?

Yes, "they" are the same people, and, no, he is not Chuckie English's son for all the reasons enumerated by ChiTown and more. Not sure where anyone else on here lives, or who knows who, but there are plenty of people who lurk on here and ANP who are appalled (and curiously entertained) by his claims and antics. It turns out, people do not like it when "Chicago" name drops and takes liberties with family histories. I could shut this whole debate down right now by typing two simple words: a first and last name (and I not talking about Joseph Lombardi). The truth would come out, and I'm guessing that would be the end of his message board days for a long time.

Outfit "families" (for lack of a better term) are keenly aware of American News Post and Gangster BB because people are talking about their relatives. Some of what is discussed has merit and some of it is speculation and recapitulated news stories. Regardless, they follow these threads. I mean, wouldn't anyone if their relatives we're being talked about on the internet?

I dont always weigh in so your way off there.

this my second post on here and I have been a member for a few months so you wrong again. good old thread killing fanboy destroying wiseguy. I dont post post dipshit cause I have nothing to add I dont know how many members the outfit has (neither do you) and just like all the shit chicago, you or anyone else on here has has posted its really nothing new. Taylor st was the dominant crew, aiuppa killed off the remaining guys he thought were a threat. Difronzo retreated, Sam g made a bunch of his taylor st buddies and he was aligned with paul ricca. I am over the back and forth arguing on the internet (I have better things to do , obviously you dont)thats why you say I come out from under a rock. How do you argue with someone who has no life outside of posting on mafia forums ??I just though after all the street guys you have proved wrong and to be fake, wanna be fan boys the first one that kisses your ass is now legitimate ? Too funny nice talking to you loser

Amen. Thanks for saying what anyone with a brain/set of nuts on here thinks.

Amen again. The Guy is a fraud & a nuisance at best. And the very definition of a fan boy. The Outfit is his livelihood, namely he Taylor St. Crew.

Anyone that doesn't realize Chicago = the Don is a bumbling fool